What exactly is the "Loving Wives" Category?

[g7st0n]

Posting this because my stories are half filled with hate/people telling me I'm submitting to the wrong category.

If I am, I'd rather submit to the right one, but I've seen plenty of stories that follow the same theme in the LW category, many of which I've drawn on for inspiration.

The kind of stories I like to read (and therefore write) are to do with a partnered couple (usually married) that in some way expand their sex life to include other people, often this is in the context of the wife pushing the boundaries of how the couple used to perceive themselves. This could end many ways with the dude dumping/divorcing her, accepting it and reconciling, accepting it and becoming a submissive, etc. etc. It's not always cuck, but it could be.

People get really mad about this and often tell me (and other authors who write similar themes) that we are submitting to the wrong category, so, yeah, what the fuck do you think LW means? And if I shouldn't be submitting to this category, then where?

 

[lovecraft68]

You are submitting to the right place. There are people who do like those stories, but LW consists of more factions of readers than any other category here I can think of. Many of the most vocal ones are the anti-cheat anti-cuck anti wife does anything type and they're the ones screeching in impotent hate filled hysteria.

At this point some authors are trying out fetish, group, and erotic couplings to duck these fools, but it doesn't always work in group and fetish ec have a fraction of the votes comments etc...

LW has devolved from the sites simple "tales of adventurous wives" tag line and a readership that enjoyed them, there used to be some good romances and reconciliation HEA endings back then, still is now, but less and its trounced on.

People blame the readership, but they're also fed by authors who are more concerned with egging them on, then telling a real story, or are also part of the all women are awful clan and write to appeal to the haters.

So you're not wrong in where you are, but you're going to need to deal with the morons or turn off comments. Pick through the shit and you'll find some decent remarks from the minority of sane readers still toughing it out there.

 

[g7st0n]

I have no interest in making people mad, I write what makes my dick hard, and often that's a cheating wife. I don't want that irl, I've been cheated on before, and there's very little that's sexy about it, but when it's in a fantasy, it's hot as shit! something something psychoanalysis about reclaiming fears as erotic fuel, I try not to think TOO hard about it.

I don't want to turn off comments because I want feedback that actually helps me improve. That's part of why I write erotica in the first place is that I want to improve my writing in general, and erotica has a wide audience and obvious dramatic themes to work with.

 

[SimonDoom]

The Loving Wives category is about wives who have sex outside marriage. One can see this was the original intent of the category by looking at the description given to it by Literotica: "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more."

But in reality Loving Wives has evolved, over time, into two very different and often mutually exclusive readerships:

One, where authors and readers enjoy stories where wife has sex outside marriage, and it's treated as fun and erotic, and often enjoyable for the husband.

The other, where readers cannot abide such stories and insist that if the wife ever has sex outside marriage she must be punished. These readers enjoy completely different kinds of stories, where the husband who is cheated on gets his revenge on the cheating wife.

Stories that appeal to both types of readers are published in this category. The number of BOTH types of readers is very large, but it's easy sometimes to forget this because if you publish a story of the first type the readers of the second type will make so many vicious comments.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Loving Wives has become rather infamous among writers for the strident napalming of good stories and the authors who ‘dared’ write them.

I enjoy reading some of them, but won’t submit there.

 

[gordo12]

I read both of your stories yesterday. They were fine for LW. Don't be concerned about the idiots. You've had almost 34,000 views and only 56 total comments. Many were complimentary. Some were nasty. The delete button is your friend. Get rid of them. They're such a minute percentage of the overall readership it's not worth discussing.

 

[DanDraper]

Your stories are ok for the LW section. The problem is that section has become famous for the incel crowd to attack any story where the wife dares to do something wrong in their eyes, no matter how small it may be.


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[Zeb_Carter]

There are two main groups.

One that likes wives who have fun outside their marriage.

Then there are the ones whose wives have cheated on them and they hate stories that aren't BTB(Burn the Bitch).

I have written both types and get comments from BTB crowd all the time. I just laugh at them and delete there comments as they have no place in a category where the object is for wives to have fun outside of the marriage.

In some cases I just turn off scoring and comments, because I can.

 

[Reshbod]

I have no interest in making people mad, I write what makes my dick hard, and often that's a cheating wife. I don't want that irl, I've been cheated on before, and there's very little that's sexy about it, but when it's in a fantasy, it's hot as shit! something something psychoanalysis about reclaiming fears as erotic fuel, I try not to think TOO hard about it.

I don't want to turn off comments because I want feedback that actually helps me improve. That's part of why I write erotica in the first place is that I want to improve my writing in general, and erotica has a wide audience and obvious dramatic themes to work with.

No matter what is written in LW, there is a group who will become mad. I write the stories that I want to read that I often cannot find and those are cheating wife stories. I don't apologize for having a narrow genre I like. I find myself more amused at the anger I receive just because it is so unhinged. And I never delete a comment, I'll sometimes go back and reread them it I need a good laugh.

The admins here have refused for whatever reason to make any changes that could improve the category. The thing that makes it worthwhile are the comments or PMs people send about how they enjoy the story and that they want more. They're not as loud as the negative comments, but they are far more important and keep my motivation up.

 

[SimonDoom]

No matter what is written in LW, there is a group who will become mad. .

Is this true? I have not seen evidence that this is true, and I've looked for it. From what I've seen, there is one group that gets mad in Loving Wives -- it's the readers who cannot abide stories where the wife has sex outside marriage and she enjoys it/she gets away with it/the husband is OK with it.

There are lots and lots of stories of a completely different sort: where the wife cheats, and the story is about how the husband gets his revenge on her. I'm not aware that these stories get a great deal of hate. Some readers, like myself, don't understand the appeal of these stories, but we don't dish out hate against them or go out of our way to downvote them. There certainly is no vitriol of the kind dished out by the other group.

So, I think this is a mischaracterization. The hate mostly comes from just one group.

If anyone disagrees with me, please cite examples of stories with comments that prove me wrong.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Is this true? I have not seen evidence that this is true, and I've looked for it. From what I've seen, there is one group that gets mad in Loving Wives -- it's the readers who cannot abide stories where the wife has sex outside marriage and she enjoys it/she gets away with it/the husband is OK with it.

There are lots and lots of stories of a completely different sort: where the wife cheats, and the story is about how the husband gets his revenge on her. I'm not aware that these stories get a great deal of hate. Some readers, like myself, don't understand the appeal of these stories, but we don't dish out hate against them or go out of our way to downvote them. There certainly is no vitriol of the kind dished out by the other group.

So, I think this is a mischaracterization. The hate mostly comes from just one group.

If anyone disagrees with me, please cite examples of stories with comments that prove me wrong.

I have, but mainly it's the two I mentioned. Whatever I write there is some few who will voice their opinion about how it's the worst story they ever read and what was the point of me writing it.

I wrote a story about one commenter to one of my loving wives stories...

It's called Oh Crap! It's in the Humor/Satire category.

 

[meddlesome]

The Loving Wives category is about wives who have sex outside marriage. One can see this was the original intent of the category by looking at the description given to it by Literotica: "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more."

But in reality Loving Wives has evolved, over time, into two very different and often mutually exclusive readerships:

One, where authors and readers enjoy stories where wife has sex outside marriage, and it's treated as fun and erotic, and often enjoyable for the husband.

The other, where readers cannot abide such stories and insist that if the wife ever has sex outside marriage she must be punished. These readers enjoy completely different kinds of stories, where the husband who is cheated on gets his revenge on the cheating wife.

Stories that appeal to both types of readers are published in this category. The number of BOTH types of readers is very large, but it's easy sometimes to forget this because if you publish a story of the first type the readers of the second type will make so many vicious comments.

So basically, a bunch of butt-hurt misogynists are ruining the category. Slight oversimplification, I'm sure.

 

[AngstIgnored]

Seems like a new writing challenge was just identified.

Write a LW story that somehow appeals to both ends of the polarized readership for that category. At first blush, I can't actually think of a plot line that meets the "wife has fun outside of her marriage" and yet won't get firebombed like Dresden by a substantial portion of the readers there.

Anyone that solves that puzzle though... hmm...

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Seems like a new writing challenge was just identified.

Write a LW story that somehow appeals to both ends of the polarized readership for that category. At first blush, I can't actually think of a plot line that meets the "wife has fun outside of her marriage" and yet won't get firebombed like Dresden by a substantial portion of the readers there.

Anyone that solves that puzzle though... hmm...

Yeah, tried that, it didn't work. Sometimes one faction or the other don't even read the story, just hit it with a 1* and a nasty comment and move on to the next LW story in the list.

 

[AngelRider]

Winner winner chicken dinner. I know for a fact that some writers only produce stories for those people. You can figure out who they are.

You are submitting to the right place. There are people who do like those stories, but LW consists of more factions of readers than any other category here I can think of. Many of the most vocal ones are the anti-cheat anti-cuck anti wife does anything type and they're the ones screeching in impotent hate filled hysteria.

At this point some authors are trying out fetish, group, and erotic couplings to duck these fools, but it doesn't always work in group and fetish ec have a fraction of the votes comments etc...

LW has devolved from the sites simple "tales of adventurous wives" tag line and a readership that enjoyed them, there used to be some good romances and reconciliation HEA endings back then, still is now, but less and its trounced on.

People blame the readership, but they're also fed by authors who are more concerned with egging them on, then telling a real story, or are also part of the all women are awful clan and write to appeal to the haters.

So you're not wrong in where you are, but you're going to need to deal with the morons or turn off comments. Pick through the shit and you'll find some decent remarks from the minority of sane readers still toughing it out there.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

And if I shouldn't be submitting to this category, then where?

The burn of pissing off the wrong group in LW can show up in the rest of your library, too.

Loving Wives has become rather infamous among writers for the strident napalming of good stories and the authors who ‘dared’ write them.

I enjoy reading some of them, but won’t submit there.

Precisely how I feel, too.

 

[MillieDynamite]

The burn of pissing off the wrong group in LW can show up in the rest of your library, too.



Precisely how I feel, too.

I'm with you. I posted two stories there because they belonged and probably won't submit anymore in the category again. When I was here, several years back, I submitted a story, which carried a 4.75 rating. When I left Literotica, I pulled down all of my stories. I resubmitted "The Remembrance of the Reluctant Representative," this time in the LW category as The Reluctant Representative (They shortened the title area on me). The tale currently has a 2.6 rating and 491 votes and a slew of attacks on the story, the woman in the story, me for writing it, and comments about she should be murdered for cheating.

The good news, it has many hearts, over 23,000 downloads in less than 3 days.

 

[Trionyx]

I wonder what would happen if all the writers here stopped submitting LW stories. Where would all the misogynists go? Would they quit LE or would they spread their venom to other categories?

 

[MillieDynamite]

I wonder what would happen if all the writers here stopped submitting LW stories. Where would all the misogynists go? Would they quit LE or would they spread their venom to other categories?

I'd bet my sweet russet colored ass they'd just drift into all the categories, looking for any stories with strong women in them, in order to spread their venomous hate.

to, too, or two, fucking English is hard.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

The burn of pissing off the wrong group in LW can show up in the rest of your library, too.



Precisely how I feel, too.

Then you can kiss that royalty check goodbye.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'd bet my sweet russet colored ass they'd just drift into all the categories, looking for any stories with strong women in them, in order to spread their venomous hate.

to, too, or two, fucking English is hard.

This isn't my experience, and I don't think it's the experience of other authors who choose to publish these types of stories in other categories.

I've published stories of this type in Exhibitionist & Voyeur, and the results have been good. Decent views, decent scores, and a minimum of trollish comments or downvotes.

A substantial portion of this peculiar readership hangs out at Loving Wives and gets angry when stories are published that violate their own concept of what "Loving Wives" should mean. That doesn't mean they're actively seeking out stories to bomb in other categories.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'd bet my sweet russet colored ass they'd just drift into all the categories, looking for any stories with strong women in them, in order to spread their venomous hate.

Disagree. The misogynist cohort doesn't wander far from their patch, from what I can see. All of my stories feature strong minded capable women who get what they what from their men, and their men match them, desire for desire. These stories don't attract douche bag vehemence - the reader base is completely different.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Disagree. The misogynist cohort doesn't wander far from their patch, from what I can see. All of my stories feature strong minded capable women who get what they what from their men, and their men match them, desire for desire. These stories don't attract douche bag vehemence - the reader base is completely different.

I have to admit you may be right. None of my stories that have been submitted in other categories have many negative comments. However, absent the LW category, they might wander around looking for stories to trash. This was what my comment was about, if there were no loving wife category for them.

 

[meddlesome]

Seems like a new writing challenge was just identified.

Write a LW story that somehow appeals to both ends of the polarized readership for that category. At first blush, I can't actually think of a plot line that meets the "wife has fun outside of her marriage" and yet won't get firebombed like Dresden by a substantial portion of the readers there.

Anyone that solves that puzzle though... hmm...

A challenge indeed, but my time is too valuable (to me.)

 

[rosebudliquor]

Thanks for this discussion

It helps me understand what happened with some of my stories, even if it doesn't help me decide how to deal with it.
I believe some of these trolls have followed me when I posted a story in a different category (fetish, because the submissive husband drinks the lover's piss), and even when I then got an idea for a sequel, and decided the stories belong in BDSM (because it turns out the lover is a sadist, and the wife is ?)
Anyway, now I'm writing a story that in my mind should be an LW story, but I've tentatively put it in fetish (because of creampie eating). It grates on me to write it so I'm not stating that the couple is married, and I'm not putting it in LW, but I fear these trolls with their one-star ratings will keep folks who might like my work away from it.
I know, turn off comments & ratings, or just laugh at them.