What, exactly, is non-consent ???

[AsylumSeeker]

I chanced upon the 'oldtopcoat' thread about wanting an editor to edit his story, which garnered much interest from the people I respect the most. I followed the postings, curious, because I am currently writing a non-con story and I'm not exactly sure where the line is drawn at Lit. I intended to respond but saw that the thread was killed.

But my question(s) linger. Please allow me to surmise the series of chapters I'm writing (I decided to write the full story in numerous chapters and post them a week at a time vice starting a story and not finishing it, which I have a terrible habit of -- apologies to those I left waiting, but I'm committed to finishing all 'sometime').

It's more like a story sprinkled with sex. I love developing characters and will always long to see something published in a recognized publication (don't we all - LOL). Anyway, it's about a down-on-his-luck drifter that returns home and takes over a successful truckstop in a dying town from an aging father. He fires the old waitresses, brings in fresh meat, and uses his position as an employer to --- his waitresses into sex.

Not sure about the ---, it could be connive, convince, etc. Or it could be construed as the 'R' word depending upon interpretation.

There are no drugs involved and the, in this case virgins, are sexually aroused but not quite mentally accepting at times. The narrative clearly indicates that if they really wanted to stop things the window of opportunity was present.

So I'm wondering where the line is drawn. Any ideas, suggestions, etc?

I'm almost done with Ch 2 and will start 3 soon. It'll probably go 4 or 5 chapter before it's ended.

Thanks much for reading this long thread and for your LITeral assistance.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

There has been "debate" around Lit, I think, on what the authors think the rules are... One thing is said, and then another author says "but I got away with that"... lol

For the most part, I think (I'm not claiming total knowledge!) "the woman has to like her rape by the end". Therefore, the category is really "reluctance". I even think that might be why the site owners changed the category title to add the word reluctance.

Of course, soon enough other authors should pipe in.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Thanks, HE.

I'm not a proponent of violence against women and I hope my stories imply consent to a degree. In true life I'm as meek as can be (I'm hoping one day to inherit the earth and sell it for a SERIOUS profit - LOL, and hire CBelle and kbate as my editors and force ALL TO READ AND COMMENT IN A FREAKIN' POSITIVE FASHION !!).

<Patting the growing horns back into their unnoticed positions and thrusting my elapsing hair to hide the markings on my head>

Seriously, I want to be true to the characters I've created as well.

Maybe the non-con regulars can chime in ... ???

I tried non-con once with HE SAID, SHE SAID CH. 01 and was informed that the non-con part wasn't non-con enough. This story is my response.

Okay, I'm rambling and having WAY too much fun. I hope this brings a smile to your faces, or other bodily parts.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Good luck with the story, and hopefully more chime in soon.

 

[emap]

There is at least one nonconsent story where she doesn't enjoy it, it's part of a series by littlesquirt. Apparently the way she had it written up it's alot more violent originally, threatened with a knife I think.

She complained about having to rewrite it because it's to violent.

I have also come across another non consent where she dies at the end, but she signed up to be raped before it happened through a service.

So basically I guess that means either it's non violent and she doesn't enjoy it, or she does enjoy it and it's violent but not both.

I do hope that helps.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

The Real Test

I'll just keep writing and submit when I'm done, then see what happens. Thanks all.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

That's the best way to do it.

 

[SweetErika]

There has been "debate" around Lit, I think, on what the authors think the rules are... One thing is said, and then another author says "but I got away with that"... lol

For the most part, I think (I'm not claiming total knowledge!) "the woman has to like her rape by the end". Therefore, the category is really "reluctance". I even think that might be why the site owners changed the category title to add the word reluctance.

Of course, soon enough other authors should pipe in.

The category is Nonconsent/Reluctance, not just Reluctance.

I'm a big fan of the reluctance side, but occasionally click into a story that carries a very clear warning it portrays rape (not play, reluctance or anything where the victim enjoys themselves), or worse, doesn't have a warning , and I discover it portrays rape. I can't give you the details or format of those because I won't read them. I'd encourage you to explore the category and maybe search for 'rape' if you'd like to know what's there.

What you've outlined sounds acceptable from what I've seen, AS. In RL, of course it's rape because it's not consensual due to the coercion alone. Many of us can ignore that fact in the interest of fantasy, however.

I find some physical force, threats and pain palatable, but there has to be consent or some mental enjoyment at some point, and the victim can't feel like a rape victim (that is, devastated) after the act. That doesn't mean they can't feel used, abused, humiliated, etc., but the overall mindset has to be something like, 'that wasn't so bad.'

Hopefully that's sort of clear.

 

[izabella]

Coercion is the word you're looking for. You've set it up so the virgins aren't eager to have sex, don't want to, but because of the lecherous boss, they are coerced into it.

I've seen stories where it's just plain old sexual harrassment to start - circumstances are set up where the woman needs the job so much she'll do it. Other times, she's a stuck-up bitch, or a conniving bitch of some kind, and has sex with him once to get something she wants, but he tapes her and uses the tape as blackmail to keep having sex with her. Each progressive scenario tends to get more raunchy and take her further and further into perversion.

I've also read stories where it's really just rape and she's not necessarily enjoying it, but she either gets off on it, even though it's against her will, or she's getting a comeuppance of some sort, which "justifies" her rape. There was one series where the woman is a college student who finds out she can make money by hanging around hotel bars and giving blowjobs to traveling businessmen. Once in their rooms, she ties them up and doesn't finish the bj, but instead steals their money and runs. One of her victims recognizes her when he's in town again and then sets her up for a rape in the room.

I think you can go pretty far in the category, although too much violence might be a turn-off for some.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

She's Juicy In The End (Not 'In' The End, LOL)

Thanks much for your responses. I just envisioned myself writing a series of chapters only to have them dismissed when all is said and done. I'm a thoughtful and caring person at heart but this forum allows me to explore areas I wouldn't normally venture into, hence my hesitation.

 

[Athena_e19]

I am curious about the meaning. I write typically in the nonhuman category and dabble with a bit of incest, but just tried posting my first noncon story.

Too my dismay it was rejected! I went through and fixed everything I could find according to guidelines- I clearly identified the parties as being of age, made sure they had a good time being "coerced" and lessoned up the drug use which preceded one of the events.

Is the drug use a big deal- should I kill it altogether. Basically a woman takes some mystery drug, with similar effects as acid. During the course of this acid trip she is "molested" has a very good time of it, etc. The drug is not necessarily needed to get her to the point where is molestable (word?). I have read some stories on lit about a dentist screwing a patient while she was under anesthesia. That seems more questionable then my arrangement.

Any thoughts/ experience?

 

[SweetErika]

What reason did they list for the rejection, Athena? They usually give a little something so you know what to fix.

Are you working with a fairly experienced Volunteer Editor, or beta readers who know the guidelines? I think that would be my course of action.

I can't imagine the drug use is a problem, especially in that category. Maybe the difference between the dentist scenario and such is that they're using legal drugs? I'm just guesssing, though, so don't change that part yet.

 

[Athena_e19]

Nothing to clue me in.

They just told me to thoroughly review the guidelines for Writer's.

I did not identify the drug except as a "root". May have been legal, may not have. I don't know and my character did not know. I just resubmitted with minor changes so we shall see.

 

[SweetErika]

That's strange they didn't give you a reason. When your formatting and proofreading are fine, and you're following all of the rules, there shouldn't be a problem. Sometimes mistakes are made (perhaps they misread or pressed the wrong option), too.

If it's rejected again--*knocks on wood*--have an editor take a look, and ask Laurel directly for some clues as to why it was rejected, along with a note saying neither you nor your VE could find anything that violated the submission guidelines. People have had good results with that when they've done everything they can and still get rejected with no reason.

 

[snooper]

Nothing to clue me in.

They just told me to thoroughly review the guidelines for Writer's.

Did you click on the word Rejected, because there are usually more specific reasons hidden there?

 

[Athena_e19]

I don't know if I missed anything, but I did click on Rejected. There was a lot of stuff abou reviewing the Writer's Guidelines or contacting an Editor and then a copy of my story text. I read up until my story then closed it- nothing to indicate what my prob. was.

 

[SweetErika]

I don't know if I missed anything, but I did click on Rejected. There was a lot of stuff abou reviewing the Writer's Guidelines or contacting an Editor and then a copy of my story text. I read up until my story then closed it- nothing to indicate what my prob. was.

Have you read this sticky ?

Were there typos, spelling/grammar issues, long paragraphs (I set my margins in Word to mimic Lit's so I can see how long they'll appear), punctuation or problems with the dialogue?

PM me if you want, and I'll give you my email and take a look at it. Whether it gets approved or rejected this time, I can probably tell you what you might want to watch out for in the future.

 

[Athena_e19]

If I get the boot on this second round I will be sure to take you up on this offer.