What Crime Has Brandon Raub Committed?

[eyer]

There was no warrant issued for Raub's arrest, he wasn't read Miranda when he was forcefully detained at his home, and now he's been temporarily committed for evaluation at a psychiatric institution for the next 30 days, even though he still is not charged with any crime...

...that's because he has committed no crime whatsoever.

This entire matter involves Raub's exercise of every American's 1st Amendment right - in this specific case, online via Facebook - against a government that obviously believes it determines what speech is permissible and who is allowed to voice it.

So what did he post? A Facebook note titled “The Truth” lists grievances against the American ruling establishment. Raub expresses his belief that the American principles of limited government and personal liberty are expiring and that corporations and international bankers run the state, not the people. Raub has directly called for the arrest of bankers and politicians who consistently defy their oath to the United States Constitution.

According to his supporters, Raub also believes the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were sold to the American people under false pretenses to benefit the powerful at the expense of military families, American treasure, and domestic security. Raub served in Iraq and Afghanistan with the Marine Corps from 2005 to 2011.

Many of Raub's statements are typical among the politically active, but while many fellow rebels support Raub’s statements, others stress that he did not stop with simple dissent. Reciting popular conspiracy theories from the U.S. government’s complicity in the 9/11 attacks to a scheme to consolidate the world’s power into the hands of the few, it is clear Raub was frustrated, angry and disappointed in his country’s trajectory.

Though his defenders claim he is a patriot meaning no harm, the former Marine directly encouraged a popular revolution against tyrannical and un-constitutional government, claiming he would “kickstart” resistance. No direct threats were posted, and posts of this darker nature were a mixture of statements authorities construed as incitements to violence and song lyrics from heavy rock music.

Undoubtedly, these expressions concerned federal authorities, but was detainment for “psychological evaluation” without respect for Raub’s rights to Due Process warranted? Raub has no history of mental illness and a reputation for organizing peaceful political demonstrations.

Educate yourselves on what the government deems it can execute against any American citizen without any due process at all:

The case of Brandon Raub: Can the government detain you over Facebook posts?

http://communities.washingtontimes....an-government-detain-you-over-facebook-posts/

Supporters Fear Facebook Marine Being ‘Disappeared'

http://www.infowars.com/supporters-fear-facebook-marine-being-disappeared/

 

[Busybody]

you stole my thread

 

[mercury14]

Eyer -

You don't know what you're talking about. First off, admitting a patient to a secure facility against their will in order to protect them or others isn't an "obscure statute". All 50 states have it and the law is used dozens, if not hundreds of times per day in any given state. Psychiatrists can put patients on a 72-hour hold for evaluation. Believe me, you want this law in place.

Secondly, you don't know his psychiatric history, nor do you know all of the details surrounding his most recent episode. You know about a few of his Facebook posts but nothing more. And in the midst of your own ignorance of the situation you've come to believe a bunch of paranoid assumptions to fill the blanks, creating a narrative about how a former marine and peaceful patriot is being horribly persecuted, Soviet-style.

It's really hard to believe how gullible you are.

 

[busybody..]

It is hard to understand

How anyone can post the above

Knowing ful well

Under Bush these peeps were

Heroz and lauded

And the above post would have read

BUSH=NAZI

Further knowing that if there would

Now be an R in office

The same poster woud say

R=NAZI

Have you no. Shame??????????????

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It is hard to understand

How anyone can post the above

Knowing ful well

Under Bush these peeps were

Heroz and lauded

And the above post would have read

BUSH=NAZI

Further knowing that if there would

Now be an R in office

The same poster woud say

R=NAZI

Have you no. Shame??????????????

None what-so-ever.

word

 

[busybody..]

He thinks he is folling. Someone.................he is a loser

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He thinks he is folling. Someone.................he is a loser

Ees mooth and skwellil...

 

[rosco rathbone]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I had never even heard of this guy. Seriously fucked up.

 

[mercury14]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I had never even heard of this guy. Seriously fucked up.

And you still don't know what happened. Only what Eyer's people *want* think.

 

[rosco rathbone]

And you still don't know what happened. Only what Eyer's people *want* think.

So there's no reason for citizens to be concerned about this kind of thing, eh? We should just take the word of the government that everything is under control and on the up and up.

No thanks.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So there's no reason for citizens to be concerned about this kind of thing, eh? We should just take the word of the government that everything is under control and on the up and up.

No thanks.

Yes.

A democrat is president.

This makes WACO, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzales okay...

When the federal building is blown up on your watch, it was work of rw short-wave radio.



merc is leading by example. If Romney becomes President, then, and only then, will he be concerned, just like his economic polity, because the Republicans are NAZIs, tramps and thieves...

 

[mercury14]

So there's no reason for citizens to be concerned about this kind of thing, eh? We should just take the word of the government that everything is under control and on the up and up.

No thanks.

I'm saying we don't know the facts because medical records are confidential.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm saying we don't know the facts because medical records are confidential.

Until someone gets careless with a password...



Hey, ask Obama about how confidential divorce records are.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Yes.

A democrat is president.

This makes WACO, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzales okay...

When the federal building is blown up on your watch, it was work of rw short-wave radio.



merc is leading by example. If Romney becomes President, then, and only then, will he be concerned, just like his economic polity, because the Republicans are NAZIs, tramps and thieves...

MY watch??? I"m not a...oh, wait, yes I am. But only because that flavor of the neoliberal governing class offends people I hate.

I'm saying we don't know the facts because medical records are confidential.

That's no reason not to pay attention to this case. I can easily see some bureaucrats terrified of the heads will roll effect on their careers of another McVeigh using every angle and obscure law to lock up a disgruntled vet with dangerous military training.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Your implied the target of the vast, right-wing conspiracy...


The one that kept producing all those sexually assaulted women.

 

[mercury14]

That's no reason not to pay attention to this case. I can easily see some bureaucrats terrified of the heads will roll effect on their careers of another McVeigh using every angle and obscure law to lock up a disgruntled vet with dangerous military training.

You don't know what you're talking about. We pink slip people (72 hour locked psychiatric hold) every day where I work. And to the casual observer who lacks an accurate view of the medical history and current episode it can easily look like we're scooping up people off the street for no good reason. Or like this case, for whatever reason you ascribe to the situation.

And please simmer down with the outrage over "obscure laws". They're not obscure at all to the medical community. Have you ever gone for a checkup at your doctor's office? Yeah, every single person working in that office knows these laws by heart.

 

[Busybody]

That's no reason not to pay attention to this case. I can easily see some bureaucrats terrified of the heads will roll effect on their careers of another McVeigh using every angle and obscure law to lock up a disgruntled vet with dangerous military training.

It is hard to understand

How anyone can post the above

Knowing ful well

Under Bush these peeps were

Heroz and lauded

And the above post would have read

BUSH=NAZI

Further knowing that if there would

Now be an R in office

The same poster woud say

R=NAZI

Have you no. Shame??????????????

 

[mercury14]

Eyer is pushing the fantasy that conservatives are so horribly persecuted that liberals are just abducting them off the street now. And they're doing it in the light of day.

Who here thinks this isn't just a teensy bit paranoid?

 

[rosco rathbone]

You don't know what you're talking about. We pink slip people (72 hour locked psychiatric hold) every day where I work. And to the casual observer who lacks an accurate view of the medical history and current episode it can easily look like we're scooping up people off the street for no good reason. Or like this case, for whatever reason you ascribe to the situation.

And please simmer down with the outrage over "obscure laws". They're not obscure at all to the medical community. Have you ever gone for a checkup at your doctor's office? Yeah, every single person working in that office knows these laws by heart.

Nothing to see here, just trust the experts. Like I said, no thanks.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nothing to see here, just trust the experts. Like I said, no thanks.

merc is an established expert on everything.

If you follow the threads this morning, you will see absolute truth of that.

Once he speaks, you are supposed to shut the fuck up, turn off your brain, and respond to directions!

 

[Busybody]

Who here thinks this isn't just a teensy bit paranoid?

Seamus, the COWARDLY LYIN musta been aslepp 2001-2008 and will be again 2012-2018

 

[rosco rathbone]

merc is an established expert on everything.

If you follow the threads this morning, you will see absolute truth of that.

Once he speaks, you are supposed to shut the fuck up, turn off your brain, and respond to directions!

This is the first time he's ever addressed a post to me.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Seamus, the COWARDLY LYIN musta been aslepp 2001-2008 and will be again 2012-2018

No way. Everyone he knows, and he's an expert on political prognostication, knows for a fact that Obama will not be out of office until January 2017...

... when the UN will beg him to take a lifetime appointment as Chairman of the World.

Then he will use his voodoo and unfuck Haiti.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This is the first time he's ever addressed a post to me.

This must be the first time you crossed the orthodoxy comrade...


PINKO!

 

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