What being a slave means to me...

[MoonduskSub]

There sometimes seems to be some confusion between the two terms submissive and slave. They can be confusing because of the many parellels that are similar between the two. However, they are different...very different. Many times it will be said that slaves are rare among the lifestyle of BDSM, which makes sense. Slavery is thought of in bad context also, to many in the lifestyle, but slavery is just as beautiful as submission.
The differences vary, and one clear and definable difference between the two is the emotions that are tied in with them. Of course, this is from a personal standpoint and viewed in my terms of what being a slave means to me.
A friend defined the differences as being that, a submissive likes to please all those around him/her, whereas a slave wishes to please "the one", his/her owner in everything they do. She continued to say that slaves don't have a submissive bone in their bodies. Could I agree? Wholeheartly.
As a slave (which has never been an easy thing to admit to myself), I would like to continue to say that the devotion is very strong between the owner and the slave. Deeper than a submissives? Not necessarily, but in some aspects, yes. Another important difference is that a slave doesn't stop when the scene is done. As a slave I tend to be in a certain mindset all the time, it does not go away, nor fade. Owned or not, a large part of my being is a slave, always. I tend to notice that many submissives stop when the scene is over with. That is it for them. A begining, a middle, an end.
Now to open this thread up, I would love to hear some feedback even if you are not a slave yourself. Submissives, slaves, Dom/mes, Masters/Mistresses are all welcomed.What does being a slave mean to you (even if you are not)? Or owning one? Poetry, examples, stories are all welcomed... Thank you and I look forward to reading the post


Moonie

 

[Shadowsdream]

No crystal ball can predict who will fall on their knees in slavery nor which Dom/me will be strong enough to take the responsibility of one so bound by the need most of society could never fathom.

~Reality and fantasy...in My eyes...an independant opinion only!~

Will I be content with his form of slavery, for those that are lost in this fantasy imagine themselves locked in cages, chained to the bars, naked with a single blanket to bring them comfort. They picture themselves being let out to do the domestic chores and to service their owners and their friends quietly and obediently. They see themselves used and then abandoned back to the loneliness of their worthless thoughts. Their dreams centered on the sound of the metal door opening to give them short moments of freedom to obey their Dom/me. Cowering in the corner of their cages...never knowing if and when they will be given a moments joy to call their own.
I close My eyes and picture Myself walking into the captivity of this slave and know in My heart that My boredom with the loss of life in his eyes would be swift and brutal. Though even I could role play this fantasy from time to time, to live it would be a small death to Me._
My slave, My property, My servant, My toy, must be positioned so that his beautiful body and smile is available each time I touch him with My eyes. his pride in My ownership would be impossible to see buried deep behind his fearful obedience.
Slavery to this Domme may not touch the interpretation of any Dom/me or slave on earth but it is only My opinion that matters to Me if I am going to be the owner. So lend your ear if you have the desire or need to hear the single opinion of a Woman who will change for no one.
The slavery I seek will keep My man on his knees simply because in My presense he is to weak to stand without the support of My hand. Being OUT of My presence will be more unendurable than all the steel bars he dreams of being contained behind. My smile will make him tremble as quickly as seeing the crop in My hand. When he RUNS home to Me when there are options he has been given that would give him some personal freedom. When he falls to the floor with tears in his eyes just to be back at My feet. Feeling the tear drops of joy hit My bare feet will convince Me more of true slavery than the obedience of no choice caused by chains and shackles.
My kind of slavery is filled with no choice...My slave will have no choice in any matter but he will have the NEED...the WANT... to stand behind Me, even in boredom, to watch over Me, even though I don't need it, To obey with gratitude because that is his true joy. To crave the touch of My hand as I whisper good boy into his ear. To know My smile is only for him.
I am demanding, a Bitch in the truest sense of the word. The smallest infractions can send Me into a silent rage and only a true slave in love could endure My kind of Domination just as I could tolerate slavery only through the one that presents to Me with pride.
When My slave bends his head to give Me access to his strong neck, I secure his rubber collar with the lock that reinforces My ownership. When I direct him to his knees he keeps his head down as he places both wrists face up upon My knees and waits quietly for the cuffs and locks that will bind him even more physically to Me. I lift his chin with My baby finger and secure him even tighter to My Domination with the click of his leash. You could call this boy at this stage My submissive..and he is...but through the DEPTH of his submission to Me...through his inability to resist...he has fallen into a slavery I have allowed.

~~~

Being a slave is different, but slavery does not make one better or worse or more or less desirable.
It is simply a different level of submission not through desire or role but through need and inevitability.

~~~

 

[James G 5]

No crystal ball can predict who will fall on their knees in slavery nor which Dom/me will be strong enough to take the responsibility of one so bound by the need most of society could never fathom.

<snip>
Being a slave is different, but slavery does not make one better or worse or more or less desirable.
It is simply a different level of submission not through desire or role but through need and inevitability.

~~~

That was amazing, I need to go ponder.....
Thank you for sharing that

 

[MoonduskSub]

::mouth sorta gaps open and tears up a wee bit:: Whoa, thank you for that reply



Moonie

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

<snip> You could call this boy at this stage My submissive..and he is...but through the DEPTH of his submission to Me...through his inability to resist...he has fallen into a slavery I have allowed.

~~~

Being a slave is different, but slavery does not make one better or worse or more or less desirable.
It is simply a different level of submission not through desire or role but through need and inevitability.

~~~

Simply stunning post. It will bear re-reading. More than once. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts Shadowsdream. Your eloquence and wisdom continue to touch me.

 

[Shadowsdream]

My pleasure....

I also look forward to the thoughts of others...thoughts with some personal basis rather than through study or surfing where it is really the opinions of others being considered.

 

[trainee_sub]

~~~

Being a slave is different, but slavery does not make one better or worse or more or less desirable.
It is simply a different level of submission not through desire or role but through need and inevitability.
~~~

Wow You certainly have a way withwords that really stirs me.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Wow You certainly have a way withwords that really stirs me.

Words can make or break reality..and if they are not backed by consistency and ones own reality, hopes or dreams they can easily become destructive fantasy.

 

[trainee_sub]

There sometimes seems to be some confusion between the two terms submissive and slave. They can be confusing because of the many parellels that are similar between the two. However, they are different...very different. Many times it will be said that slaves are rare among the lifestyle of BDSM, which makes sense. Slavery is thought of in bad context also, to many in the lifestyle, but slavery is just as beautiful as submission.
The differences vary, and one clear and definable difference between the two is the emotions that are tied in with them. Of course, this is from a personal standpoint and viewed in my terms of what being a slave means to me.
A friend defined the differences as being that, a submissive likes to please all those around him/her, whereas a slave wishes to please "the one", his/her owner in everything they do. She continued to say that slaves don't have a submissive bone in their bodies. Could I agree? Wholeheartly.
As a slave (which has never been an easy thing to admit to myself), I would like to continue to say that the devotion is very strong between the owner and the slave. Deeper than a submissives? Not necessarily, but in some aspects, yes. Another important difference is that a slave doesn't stop when the scene is done. As a slave I tend to be in a certain mindset all the time, it does not go away, nor fade. Owned or not, a large part of my being is a slave, always. I tend to notice that many submissives stop when the scene is over with. That is it for them. A begining, a middle, an end.
Now to open this thread up, I would love to hear some feedback even if you are not a slave yourself. Submissives, slaves, Dom/mes, Masters/Mistresses are all welcomed.What does being a slave mean to you (even if you are not)? Or owning one? Poetry, examples, stories are all welcomed... Thank you and I look forward to reading the post


Moonie

As mature woman (sounds better than older) who has recently begun to understand her sub side. I can only say that looking back I have always been submissive (just didn’t quite know it at the time), and really through all I have read I cant see a great difference between a slave and a sub from my point of view. When a master claims me I will be His and his alone. He will have my loyalty love and devotion. As I learn through my trainer now I find that I live and breath this lifestyle its with me in everything I do, whether it be a set task for my training or following my usual chores. I cant speak for other submissive's but for me whether in or out of a scene my submissiveness to my Master will never falter and will always hold the same meaning and depth, I will be owned by him and He will be the centre of my life/universe. I'm not a great one for sharing my feelings I find it really difficult but I hope I've managed to with this post. (I'm quite pleased this is my longest post yet)

 

[emer]

i'm questioning this very thing

I'm in a mental torment at this moment because i feel the need to tell a Dom that i don't really believe i'm "slave material" (at least at this moment). A slave is what he wants, he made that clear, but with all the thinking and writing and reading (thanks to Y/you) i've become more aware of myself. I'm scared to be honest because i don't want to lose the slim bond we have ... but i can't be his slave. It isn't in my nature.

He has given me his definition of submissive and slave. I truly cried when i read it because i know i can never live up to his wishes. I'm new to BDSM ... still learning my wants and desires and limits.

A few things i have figured out ... yes, i'm in this for the sexual rush! W/we agree on "this time, this day, these hours" and i can submit ... but not 24/7 for me. And i don't get any pleasure from serving others ... i do that now, at work and home, for people i love and it does bring me pleasure but when i play i want it to be different.

I need to go be honest with Him and i feel rotten and scared and also feel that i'll be alone again but it's one of those crappy things that has to be done.

Wish me luck!

 

[Violane]

Where to start, Shadowsdream the last 2 sentences of your first post were amazing to me. Especially "through need and inevitability." For me that has turned out to be the case.

I have known I was submissive for a very long time, probably since I first learned what the word meant back in high school. I did marry a man who was dominant, certianly compared to me. We didn't and don't have a D/s relationship. Just a vanilla one, but there are doms and subs there too since I think everyone naturally leans to one side or another in relation to thier SO. (Ok so some might be totally equal, but that is not the topic here) I have always naturally tried to please him, always did things like getting his coffee every morning, always did as he asked me, always asked him if what I am doing is ok. To me I just thought that this was how any marriage went. Through the years I felt that he did not appriciate me or what I did for him. I felt it was not a give and take, fair relationship. And we would occationally fight about it because I would tell him that he was not giving me what I needed, more attention, for him to appriciate what I did, for him to *know* me. About 8 months ago we fought and I told him that he made me feel like his mother, his maid and his slave.

Then about 6 months ago I met a man online, I was totally drawn to him and I couldn't explain why. I felt I had to approach him (again I am very submissive and approaching anyone is something I normally dread to do), I felt I needed to be with him. At first I thought maybe just because I was horny and wanted to cyber. (yes my sex life stinks) But the feelings I had for him were so intense they took my breathe away. I was his sub after just knowing him for 2 weeks. (I know this is online, don't know how any of you feel about it, but for me I still feel very strongly about it even though it is not in person) I have been with him since then and in January I became his slave. Through the months it has become clear to me that not only was I always submissive, but I was always wanting to be owned, to be a slave, to have a Master. I think that I have always been this way, it is who I am, it is what I need and I also think that when I met my Master, it was inevitable.

 

[SexyChele]

Re: i'm questioning this very thing

I'm in a mental torment at this moment because i feel the need to tell a Dom that i don't really believe i'm "slave material" (at least at this moment). A slave is what he wants, he made that clear, but with all the thinking and writing and reading (thanks to Y/you) i've become more aware of myself. I'm scared to be honest because i don't want to lose the slim bond we have ... but i can't be his slave. It isn't in my nature.

He has given me his definition of submissive and slave. I truly cried when i read it because i know i can never live up to his wishes. I'm new to BDSM ... still learning my wants and desires and limits.

A few things i have figured out ... yes, i'm in this for the sexual rush! W/we agree on "this time, this day, these hours" and i can submit ... but not 24/7 for me. And i don't get any pleasure from serving others ... i do that now, at work and home, for people i love and it does bring me pleasure but when i play i want it to be different.

I need to go be honest with Him and i feel rotten and scared and also feel that i'll be alone again but it's one of those crappy things that has to be done.

Wish me luck!

If you are not comfortable in your situation, it will not get better. Staying with some one, even when you realize you both have different expectations, simply for the fact that you might be "alone" does a disservice to you both. Yes, you might be alone. But the length of that "aloneness" depends entirely on you. You have the power to meet new people and find some one who feels as you do. Also, you can use the alone time to figure out exactly what you need and want. That's priceless!

Good luck to you!

 

[Ebonyfire]

No crystal ball can predict who will fall on their knees in slavery nor which Dom/me will be strong enough to take the responsibility of one so bound by the need most of society could never fathom.

~Reality and fantasy...in My eyes...an independant opinion only!~

Will I be content with his form of slavery, for those that are lost in this fantasy imagine themselves locked in cages, chained to the bars, naked with a single blanket to bring them comfort. They picture themselves being let out to do the domestic chores and to service their owners and their friends quietly and obediently. They see themselves used and then abandoned back to the loneliness of their worthless thoughts. Their dreams centered on the sound of the metal door opening to give them short moments of freedom to obey their Dom/me. Cowering in the corner of their cages...never knowing if and when they will be given a moments joy to call their own.
I close My eyes and picture Myself walking into the captivity of this slave and know in My heart that My boredom with the loss of life in his eyes would be swift and brutal. Though even I could role play this fantasy from time to time, to live it would be a small death to Me._
My slave, My property, My servant, My toy, must be positioned so that his beautiful body and smile is available each time I touch him with My eyes. his pride in My ownership would be impossible to see buried deep behind his fearful obedience.
Slavery to this Domme may not touch the interpretation of any Dom/me or slave on earth but it is only My opinion that matters to Me if I am going to be the owner. So lend your ear if you have the desire or need to hear the single opinion of a Woman who will change for no one.
The slavery I seek will keep My man on his knees simply because in My presense he is to weak to stand without the support of My hand. Being OUT of My presence will be more unendurable than all the steel bars he dreams of being contained behind. My smile will make him tremble as quickly as seeing the crop in My hand. When he RUNS home to Me when there are options he has been given that would give him some personal freedom. When he falls to the floor with tears in his eyes just to be back at My feet. Feeling the tear drops of joy hit My bare feet will convince Me more of true slavery than the obedience of no choice caused by chains and shackles.
My kind of slavery is filled with no choice...My slave will have no choice in any matter but he will have the NEED...the WANT... to stand behind Me, even in boredom, to watch over Me, even though I don't need it, To obey with gratitude because that is his true joy. To crave the touch of My hand as I whisper good boy into his ear. To know My smile is only for him.
I am demanding, a Bitch in the truest sense of the word. The smallest infractions can send Me into a silent rage and only a true slave in love could endure My kind of Domination just as I could tolerate slavery only through the one that presents to Me with pride.
When My slave bends his head to give Me access to his strong neck, I secure his rubber collar with the lock that reinforces My ownership. When I direct him to his knees he keeps his head down as he places both wrists face up upon My knees and waits quietly for the cuffs and locks that will bind him even more physically to Me. I lift his chin with My baby finger and secure him even tighter to My Domination with the click of his leash. You could call this boy at this stage My submissive..and he is...but through the DEPTH of his submission to Me...through his inability to resist...he has fallen into a slavery I have allowed.

~~~

Being a slave is different, but slavery does not make one better or worse or more or less desirable.
It is simply a different level of submission not through desire or role but through need and inevitability.

~~~

All I can say is amen.

 

[MoonduskSub]

Re: i'm questioning this very thing

I can recall a time and times where I get the feelings of being in "metal torment". When I was new, and trust me I still am, I felt afraid of what was to come. It turned out to not be nearly like I imagined and now the feelings I have about living this lifestyle are filled with happiness and love. Being confused is normal, but if this not for you than perhaps it is not. Some people like to play, it is a role and nothing more. Others like to submit when they play, giving that aspect of the beginning, the middle, and an end. Others like to live it 24/7 where they are always in service to their Dom, and there are those that absolutly need thier Master and serve him forever in their heart. It is a matter of preference, and no one can make you submit, that is within your power. To be alone is not that rough, and honesty is such an important aspect to this lifestyle right along with communication. You do not have to feel pressured. This is supposed to be something that lives in you, is a part of you, and some people simply do not have that in them. That is fine, and it isnt something to be scared of If this Dom wants a slave, and you do not feel you are a slave than....you're not. Being a slave is not easy... and can be hard at times. Remember the choice is always yours.
Good luck!


Moonie

I'm in a mental torment at this moment because i feel the need to tell a Dom that i don't really believe i'm "slave material" (at least at this moment). A slave is what he wants, he made that clear, but with all the thinking and writing and reading (thanks to Y/you) i've become more aware of myself. I'm scared to be honest because i don't want to lose the slim bond we have ... but i can't be his slave. It isn't in my nature.

He has given me his definition of submissive and slave. I truly cried when i read it because i know i can never live up to his wishes. I'm new to BDSM ... still learning my wants and desires and limits.

A few things i have figured out ... yes, i'm in this for the sexual rush! W/we agree on "this time, this day, these hours" and i can submit ... but not 24/7 for me. And i don't get any pleasure from serving others ... i do that now, at work and home, for people i love and it does bring me pleasure but when i play i want it to be different.

I need to go be honest with Him and i feel rotten and scared and also feel that i'll be alone again but it's one of those crappy things that has to be done.

Wish me luck!

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: i'm questioning this very thing

It is a matter of preference, and no one can make you submit, that is within your power.

I agree. YMMV, but I do not want to force a sub to do anything. I want willing obedience, service and submission.

 

[MoonduskSub]

Re: Re: What being a slave means to me...

To further my first post ......
There is a difference between sub and slave. It is not a clear definable line, but it can be seen in actions, and it is hard to explain. I like what you say about being devoted to your Master, and how it does not matter whether you are in a scene or not. This goes for both sides of the coin, slave vs. submissive. This does not go for all people, but generally a characteristic differerence between the two is that slaves generally focus totally on their owner. An example, being cropped has no real appeal for me. It is not something I fantasize about, however if my owner wished to crop me for HIS/HER pleasure, than willingly I would allow it. Why? Because it would please him, and I am in his ownership.
Another difference goes along with the myth that slaves do not have limits or safewords. Neither is true, at least not in my case or other slaves I have spoken to. Using a safeword is hard for a slave though. They can get feelings of guilt, or upset because they had to stop the owners pleasure. Generally a slave will endure much more than a submissive would, because of whose pleasure is in question.
I hope this post leads in to further discussion...Thank you for the replies that have been given. It is wonderful to gather different opinions as SD mentioned. Thank you all again....look forward to reading more.....


Moonie

P.S. You did a wonderful job expressing your emotions

As mature woman (sounds better than older) who has recently begun to understand her sub side. I can only say that looking back I have always been submissive (just didn’t quite know it at the time), and really through all I have read I cant see a great difference between a slave and a sub from my point of view. When a master claims me I will be His and his alone. He will have my loyalty love and devotion. As I learn through my trainer now I find that I live and breath this lifestyle its with me in everything I do, whether it be a set task for my training or following my usual chores. I cant speak for other submissive's but for me whether in or out of a scene my submissiveness to my Master will never falter and will always hold the same meaning and depth, I will be owned by him and He will be the centre of my life/universe. I'm not a great one for sharing my feelings I find it really difficult but I hope I've managed to with this post. (I'm quite pleased this is my longest post yet)

 

[MoonduskSub]

Re: Re: Re: i'm questioning this very thing

As it should be..


Moonie

I agree. YMMV, but I do not want to force a sub to do anything. I want willing obedience, service and submission.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Re: i'm questioning this very thing

I'm in a mental torment at this moment because i feel the need to tell a Dom that i don't really believe i'm "slave material" (at least at this moment). A slave is what he wants, he made that clear, but with all the thinking and writing and reading (thanks to Y/you) i've become more aware of myself. I'm scared to be honest because i don't want to lose the slim bond we have ... but i can't be his slave. It isn't in my nature.

He has given me his definition of submissive and slave. I truly cried when i read it because i know i can never live up to his wishes. I'm new to BDSM ... still learning my wants and desires and limits.

A few things i have figured out ... yes, i'm in this for the sexual rush! W/we agree on "this time, this day, these hours" and i can submit ... but not 24/7 for me. And i don't get any pleasure from serving others ... i do that now, at work and home, for people i love and it does bring me pleasure but when i play i want it to be different.

I need to go be honest with Him and i feel rotten and scared and also feel that i'll be alone again but it's one of those crappy things that has to be done.

Wish me luck!

I wish you all the luck in the world...and am proud of you for understanding and accepting what it is that YOU need and who you are without feeling the OBLIGATION to fit into a mould of anothers perception.
Anyone that is even asked to begin in slavery should question the one asking. There is not an ounce of reality in that possibility.

 

[WillowPuss]

I have read this thread through a couple of times now - and still do not know if some would class me as a 'mere' submissive or a slave.

I think, that if you just take the last part of Shadowdream's wonderful prose:

~~~

Being a slave is different, but slavery does not make one better or worse or more or less desirable.
It is simply a different level of submission not through desire or role but through need and inevitability.

~~~

then I am a slave to my Master.

I have always been submissive. I am a 'natural submissive' - I cannot be otherwise and be true to my inner core. However, my submission to my Master goes much much deeper than just wanting to please him.
I crave for His touch, His control, His hand on my arm or neck or ...
I do not like being away from Him - and there are times when going off to work is a real torture for me. After lunch I often find myself glancing at the time and counting the hours, then minutes until I will by his side again.
I would not care if W/we never had sex again - that is mere icing on the cake - not the be all and end all of my submission.


So ... if that is slavery ... then I am proud to be a slave - even if I do not get called by that word.

 

[lark sparrow]

Something of interest to me has been in the definition of slave itself.

There is a part of me that feels that one of the definitions inherent within the title 'slave' is in actually being owned by a Dominant. However, I know many identify as a slave even when not owned, making it more of an self-determined rather than actualized orientation, which also makes some sense.

I realize everyone must define themselves in the final analysis, but I'd be interested in hearing about this defining aspect if anyone has input.

 

[MoonduskSub]

I, personaly do not have to be "owned" to consider myself a slave. I think the most important difference between the two is that a slave gives her whole self, including possesions to the will of his/her Master/Mistress. A submissive on the otherhand, EXCHANGES the power between her/his Master/Mistress (Dom/me). The submissive is limited in this exchange, but it is according to what is agreed upon with those parties involved. And to narrow it even further down, a bottom will exchange power for a limited time alloted for a scene.
As I have mentioned, it does not matter if I am owned or not. I will, regardless, always be a slave. I am the type of person that finds out every little thing and tries do those little things to see a smile on their face (especially if they are responsible for me). My pleasure comes from theirs.
Furthermore, I think I have found a great way of describing the differences (at least in my humble opinion) that goes along with what I just said.There was an article discussing the differences of the three (bottom, sub, slave) to shed even more light on the subject. So if I may I will set the sence...

A bottom is cooking dinner and her Top desires oral satsifaction/stimulation. The Top ask, and s/he says, "Yes dear, In a moment.I am busy!"
A submissive is cooking dinner and his/her Dom/me desires oral satisfaction/stimulation. The submissive replies, "Yes Sir, let me just turn down the heat."
A slave is cooking dinner, and one looks tells him/her that her Master/Mistress desires oral satisfaction/stimulation. First the slave's reaction is that s/he senses his/her Master/Mistresses need, second they leave the dinner on the perfect heat, third they kneel before thier owner and ask, "May I offer you a ____?"

Maybe that will define it more....at least that is as close as I have found in MY opinion of describing the differences. Yet, the examples may prove true for any of the three. It is a grey area, but a wonderful topic to discuss to discover opinions, beliefs, and even prejudice of the subject...Hope that helps


Moonie

Something of interest to me has been in the definition of slave itself.

There is a part of me that feels that one of the definitions inherent within the title 'slave' is in actually being owned by a Dominant. However, I know many identify as a slave even when not owned, making it more of an self-determined rather than actualized orientation, which also makes some sense.

I realize everyone must define themselves in the final analysis, but I'd be interested in hearing about this defining aspect if anyone has input.

 

[navarre]

No crystal ball can predict who will fall on their knees in slavery nor which Dom/me will be strong enough to take the responsibility of one so bound by the need most of society could never fathom.

<snip>

~~~

Being a slave is different, but slavery does not make one better or worse or more or less desirable.
It is simply a different level of submission not through desire or role but through need and inevitability.

~~~

Amen. Amen. Amen.

 

[lark sparrow]

I truly think you did a wonderful job of defining some of the differences between a submissive and a slave, and further defining what being a slave means to you and many others. I really enjoyed reading it, and found myself nodding in agreement in how wonderfully it was expressed - I appreciate the topic very much!

Although perhaps it was a bit off topic, my curiousity about how people define themselves as slaves was unrelated to comparisons of slaves vs submissives. I consider myself a submissive, and a slave only to Mistress. And that is not even necessarily self-determined, but through how Mistress perceives me as well because I would tend to put more and differing qualifers and super expectations on it then Mistress does. Were this relationship to end I could know it was my calling, but it would be unfulfilled without having an owner. On the other hand, I am lesbian in a sexual/romantic orientation, and I do not lose that self-identification by not being in a relationship.

So, rather than being a prejudice, I am actually interested in learning how others define slavery unto itself, and find the concept of slavery as an orientation an intriguing one. My initial leaning tells me that one must be owned to be a slave, that's a personal assumption or first impression, or perhaps even a first truth (for me), but I'm interested in learning how others define themselves, and the concept of slavery as an orientation, above and beyond a personal relation to a Dominant.

Edited to add: Just had a talk with Mistress, and I think we have it worked out lol. In my mind, at this time, for me, being a slave is a status (like being married or single) rather than an orientation (like being gay).

 

[MoonduskSub]

I could not agree more! I am looking forward to how others describe what slave is to them.....


Moonie

 

[James G 5]

I have read this thread through a couple of times now - and still do not know if some would class me as a 'mere' submissive or a slave.

I think it's important to say that no one here is saying any of these self-defined states of being are "better" or above one another
A submissive is as wonderful in her way as a slave or a bottom
None of them are "mere" and nothing here is intended to make anyone feel that way