Western Civilization Depends On Men And Masculinity

[DeluxAuto]

It's always the biggest pussies and cowards who create and defend these threads.

 

[OralAllOver]

Let's examine this premise...

150 years ago the US industrialized our society. Once that happened we invented plastic wrap to keep food clean, refrigeration to keep food from spoiling, electricity to light our homes and provide energy for medical needs. We, along with other nations, developed a world wide transportation network for goods and food. We fought 2 major world wars and were able, along with allies, to bring the world into a peaceful and prosperous future for everyone.

All of that required blood, sweat, tears, and investment money. And you know who provided the bulk of that blood, that sweat, those tears, and the money?

Lemme tell ya, it wasn't mostly women who did it. Women might have helped, but it was men who blasted the rocks and dug the ditch we call the Panama Canal. And they died by the thousands while doing it. It wasn't women who were in the trenches during the WW's either. And it wasn't women who died by the millions ensuring that our society would continue to allow women to walk down the street unmolested, shop without being robbed, and raise children who get to go to school and become educated citizens and providers for the next generation.

The role for women during those times was that of a nurturer. Aid the sick/injured. Raise the next generation. Keep the home fires burning so that those who were far away knew that someone loved them and there was a reason they were giving up their lives.

Almost everything you see/do/touch was created by men. Certainly women contributed, but the BULK of the effort was from men, not women. And men often paid the ultimate price for it.

You, in your tiny mind, can try to justify your feminine superiority ideas all you want. Just remember, the internet is here for you because A MAN invented the electricity that powers it. Men build the transmission towers that transmit that electricity. And MEN build the building you're sitting in while lamenting that men don't understand you and are trying to suppress your feminine freedom.

Freedom created by and given to you by; men.

Ya know, it's ok to be a fool. Incapable of evaluating evidence or sustained reasoning? It happens

But to be a proud, public, virulent fool .... you may want to look into that

 

[MythicMind]

I notice you avoided the thing I asked: to name one thing that (a) only men can do, (b) that is required for Western civilization, and (c) that is somehow being repressed by women. Of course you didn't name anything, because nothing like that exists. All you have is ideological nonsense without an ounce of real data. You project your own fear and weakness onto people who terrify you, i.e. women and people who like women. I hope one day you can see yourself in the mirror and decide it's finally time to grow up.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Well, this silly threat is longer than expected but I have a little bit of time while baking an apple pie in my kitchen. My kitchen, because I own the house. My apples, because the apple trees are in my garden. I'm working from time, so I'm the incels nightmare, I guess.
Back to the topic.
What a laugh! To suggest that Western civilization is based solely on men's work is utterly bonkers, isn't it? It's the sort of notion you'd expect to find scribbled on the back of a particularly dusty old napkin.
Dismissing the preposterous idea that civilization could even be built by one half of the population (honestly, how daft!), let's skip the tiresome list and simply acknowledge the blindingly obvious. The whole magnificent edifice, from the very foundations of thought and governance to the thriving currents of culture and economy, has been shaped by the absolutely essential and monumental contributions of women.
Think of the sheer, irreplaceable intellectual heavy lifting—the philosophies, the sciences, the literature that define the West—many of the cornerstones laid down, financed, or meticulously preserved by clever women. Then there's the tireless, often unseen, organisational genius that built and sustained families, communities, and even the early structures of education and healthcare. Women's work, whether visible in the grand halls of power or diligently executed in the home and marketplace, has been the unwavering backbone and lifeblood that ensured the whole show didn't simply crumble into dust! It takes everyone to build a civilization; anything less is just a charmingly silly fairy tale.
Honestly, all this fuss about whether women are "strong" or "weak", or whether men are "strong" or "weak", is just so much piffle, isn't it? It's like arguing over which shade of beige is the most potent. It simply doesn't matter!
The glorious, messy, and ever-evolving masterpiece we call civilization isn't a competitive sport where we measure brawn or emotional fortitude. It's a colossal, collaborative project, a bit like a massive, never-ending community bake sale. Everyone brings something to the table—a genius idea, a crucial bit of practical graft, a dash of perspective, or a whole lot of dedicated care. The whole shebang only works when everyone chips in, using whatever skills and qualities they naturally possess.
The brilliant, unassailable truth is that equal rights aren't a favour; they're simply the optimal operating manual for a successful society.
When everyone, regardless of their gender (or their perceived "strength"), has the freedom and opportunity to fully participate:
Everyone contributes their best work. (More innovation, more solutions, better art!)
Everyone benefits from the resulting prosperity and stability. (A better life for all!)
To deny half the population (or indeed, anyone) a fair go because of some archaic notion of 'weakness' is simply terrible management. It's like running a train with only half the engine firing—you're just making the journey harder for everyone! A stable, thriving society isn't about who is inherently the strongest; it's about making sure every single person has the chance to use their unique power, whatever it may be.
So, let's stop with the pointless muscle-measuring and agree that when it comes to building a decent world, equality is just sensible, good business.
The idea of a cosy, ancient past where women were universally weak, fluttering about the 'home' in a bonnet, while men strode manfully into the "wilderness" to do all the real "manly" work? Goodness me, that's just a brand-new bit of historical fiction, isn't it? A very recent invention indeed, likely cobbled together in the relatively modern, post-industrial age!
For the vast majority of human history—from the stone-age hunt to the agricultural revolution and right up until a few industrial-era tweaks—the idea of a sharp, neat division between a man’s world out there and a woman’s world in here is utter bunkum.
The pre-industrial "home" was where most of the actual, survival-critical work happened. Women were farming, milling, weaving, teaching, nursing, managing livestock, and running complex, multi-generational enterprises. The line between 'domestic' and 'economic' was practically invisible.
Whether it was a hunter-gatherer group or a medieval farm, everyone who could walk, carry, or think was out doing essential, hard graft. If the work was heavy, women did it differently, or as a group, but the notion that they were just sitting pretty is a charming, but utterly false, fairy tale.
It's a made-up past, a historical comfort blanket woven entirely out of wishful thinking and poor research!
This silly, false vision of a perfectly segregated past is more than just a funny historical error; it’s a dangerously stupid mindset.
When people cling to this fiction—this idea that men were always the sole providers and power-holders, and women were always meek and dependent—they set themselves up for a truly miserable disappointment in the modern world. They start to feel aggrieved and cheated when the world, quite correctly, doesn't conform to their made-up history book.
It's this toxic cocktail of false entitlement mixed with real-world disappointment and isolation that directly fuels those sadly misguided and resentful groups. They’re not angry at the present; they’re furious that a past that never existed isn't magically returning to reward them.
So, let's have a good, friendly chuckle at this silly myth, throw it on the rubbish heap of bad ideas, and focus on the very real world where everyone, men and women, have always been integral to getting the job done!

 

[Celand]

I make it short....

Women always went for alpha males... strong, ruthless. Now days these are mostly islamists ( "free Palestine" and the like the women scream)
White males were mostly pussy whipped, that the very few "alphas" left have no hope in hell...

Western society is dying faster then Rome during Attila the Hun.

 

[Celand]

I notice you avoided the thing I asked: to name one thing that (a) only men can do, (b) that is required for Western civilization, and (c) that is somehow being repressed by women. Of course you didn't name anything, because nothing like that exists. All you have is ideological nonsense without an ounce of real data. You project your own fear and weakness onto people who terrify you, i.e. women and people who like women. I hope one day you can see yourself in the mirror and decide it's finally time to grow up.

well I step in:

a) fight in close combat which is essential for battle victory.
b) maintaining it instead giving it away to the DEI crowd
c) manliness is now called misogyny

 

[HisArpy]

So you aren’t being insulting?

Got it. You’re just a bitter loser.

Or maybe that’s just your attempt at masculinity.

At least I'm not a guy with a truck who thinks he's some kind of business mogul merely because he wears women's panties and talks tough on a porn board.

 

[HisArpy]

well I step in:

a) fight in close combat which is essential for battle victory.
b) maintaining it instead giving it away to the DEI crowd
c) manliness is now called misogyny

There's one thing only men can do that is required for civilization (ANY civilization); and that's build stuff.

Many feminists seem to think they're men's equals when they merely use the goods and constructs created by men.

For example; there are no to very few women who are oilfield roustabouts. Yet they gleefully believe they're equal to men because they can pump their own gas, at a gas station built by men, of raw materials mined and transported by men using machines built by men, and maintained by men.

Here's just another example. No woman built this:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/T3cnK39j2HQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Women didn't mine the iron, transport it, smelt and cast it, machine it, assemble it, or operate it. Nor could they. They didn't build the system it runs on either. Nor did women build the Canals that were (and in some cases still are) used to transport goods from farm to market. Or modern day roads and highways.

Using the world that men built doesn't qualify as being "equal to men."

 

[AlexBailey]

At least I'm not a guy with a truck who thinks he's some kind of business mogul merely because he wears women's panties and talks tough on a porn board.

Ooh, sorry for the tough talk.
I know you’re super sensitive, you poor fragile little alpha male.

I’m not a business mogul anymore than you are a brilliant attorney, but I am in high demand.

What’s with you and panties again? Is that where your mind automatically goes whenever you see a skirt? Seriously, many women dress down simply because they don’t want creeps like you perving and undressing them in your mind like you’re doing here to me.

Want me to post a sexy pic of myself so you can beat your little morning sprout?

 

[AlexBailey]

c) manliness is now called misogyny

No. It’s easy to be manly without being misogynistic. All you need is confidence and strength of character without trying to dominate women.

 

[HisArpy]

Ooh, sorry for the tough talk.
I know you’re super sensitive, you poor fragile little alpha male.

Tough talk hasn't ever won anything when the shit hits the fan.

I’m not a business mogul anymore than you are a brilliant attorney, but I am in high demand.

My role in life is to help people when the shit hits the fan, not show up and put a construction lien on the customer's house and hold it hostage until you get paid. See, only one of those things fixes shit. The other is the shit I have to fix.

Every day and case where I represent someone I put my reputation on the line. If I fuck up there's no way to "fix it" by trying again. If that happens I can not only lose my license to practice law, I can be fined and prosecuted (depending on the offense), and sued by the person(s) harmed by my failure.

There's no saving grace. I can't declare bankruptcy and change my business name to escape liability. I can't incorporate to limit my professional liability before the Bar either. If I fuck up, I'm responsible and I WILL be held to account.

In all my years as an attorney that's never happened.

Can you say the same? Never mis-wired something? Never forgot a simple wire tie or screw? Didn't plug something in before testing? Any of those things, done in a legal context, is sufficient to be called malpractice and all the possible penalties suddenly apply. No "oops," no second chances, no "I'll fix it later," if a lawyer does that he's fucked.

And you cant compete on that level. You're not equal, you're a guy with a truck and a contractor's license who thinks you're a big wheel and talks trash on the internet. But, when shit hits the fan you call guys like me to save your ass.

What’s with you and panties again? Is that where your mind automatically goes whenever you see a skirt? Seriously, many women dress down simply because they don’t want creeps like you perving and undressing them in your mind like you’re doing here to me.

What can I say, I'm a guy and I like sexy women.

BTW, it's not perverted to appreciate a woman who appreciates her femininity. And when a woman does her best to enhance her attractiveness, instead of hiding herself, it's call confidence and being self assured.

OTOH, you can't say the same about a guy who can't keep his hands off her clothes to the point he has to wear them himself.

Want me to post a sexy pic of myself so you can beat your little morning sprout?

Ewwww...

BTW, when you think with your dick it doesn't make you charming or desirable. It just makes you a dick.

Now do you get it, you little dick?

 

[Hel_Books]

For thousands of years it was a DANGEROUS world for women and children. . . .

And those dangers were . . . men.

 

[HisArpy]

And those dangers were . . . men.

Yes, because marauding animal predators were all male humans...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...type.jpg/330px-Tyrannosaurus_Rex_Holotype.jpg

https://www.treehugger.com/thmb/at1...37036204-da1e22cbb9d9493d95bc541eac4bb9aa.jpg

https://www.andbeyond.com/wp-conten...nda-Luke-Hartley-lions-kill-wildebeest-04.jpg

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
And those dangers were . . . men.

Yes, because marauding animal predators were all male humans...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...type.jpg/330px-Tyrannosaurus_Rex_Holotype.jpg

Dude?

The dinosaurs weren't contemporaneous with humans. Or are you one of those "creationists"?

As for marauding animal predators, remember it was technology, like fire, spear, bow and arrow that let humans bring down mammoths or sabre-tooth tigers, not bare-knuckle brawling!

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Just carry on and lie to yourselves. It would be cute if it weren't so silly.

 

[Hel_Books]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston,_Houston,_Do_You_Read?

Well, this silly threat is longer than expected but I have a little bit of time while baking an apple pie in my kitchen. My kitchen, because I own the house. My apples, because the apple trees are in my garden. I'm working from time, so I'm the incels nightmare, I guess.
Back to the topic.
What a laugh! To suggest that Western civilization is based solely on men's work is utterly bonkers, isn't it?

That's the theme of Houston, Houston, Do You Read?

 

[AlexBailey]

Tough talk hasn't ever won anything when the shit hits the fan.



My role in life is to help people when the shit hits the fan, not show up and put a construction lien on the customer's house and hold it hostage until you get paid. See, only one of those things fixes shit. The other is the shit I have to fix.

Every day and case where I represent someone I put my reputation on the line. If I fuck up there's no way to "fix it" by trying again. If that happens I can not only lose my license to practice law, I can be fined and prosecuted (depending on the offense), and sued by the person(s) harmed by my failure.

There's no saving grace. I can't declare bankruptcy and change my business name to escape liability. I can't incorporate to limit my professional liability before the Bar either. If I fuck up, I'm responsible and I WILL be held to account.

In all my years as an attorney that's never happened.

Can you say the same? Never mis-wired something? Never forgot a simple wire tie or screw? Didn't plug something in before testing? Any of those things, done in a legal context, is sufficient to be called malpractice and all the possible penalties suddenly apply. No "oops," no second chances, no "I'll fix it later," if a lawyer does that he's fucked.

And you cant compete on that level. You're not equal, you're a guy with a truck and a contractor's license who thinks you're a big wheel and talks trash on the internet. But, when shit hits the fan you call guys like me to save your ass.



What can I say, I'm a guy and I like sexy women.

BTW, it's not perverted to appreciate a woman who appreciates her femininity.

OTOH, you can't say the same about a guy who can't keep his hands off her clothes to the point he has to wear them too.





Ewwww...

BTW, when you think with your dick it doesn't make you charming or desirable. It just makes you a dick.

Now do you get it, you little dick?

I’m a sole proprietor and have enough operating capital and scruples that I’ve never filed a mechanics lien against a private home owner. I’ve also never advertised, so all of my work comes from my reputation.

I also do a lot of pro-bono work for little old ladies and men on fixed incomes. Actually I’ve found it’s better charge at least $100 for those clients and waive it if they just don’t have the cash.

Attorneys, on the other hand, produce no tangible goods. They mostly run up exorbitant fees competing against other attorneys, sometimes even going out together on their client’s dime, writing off the expense because they broach the subject of a case over a fine meal.

You’re a parasite who relies on other people to make “manly” things happen.

I don’t mind crossing lines about what’s sexy on whom. I’ve been alternately objectified and ostracized by manly men all of my life. I’ve dated women lesbians, attorneys, architects, athletes, artists, and pre-school teachers. I’ve never actually had a boyfriend. I went to a concert last night in costume and had a great time dancing with men and women.

My business has been successful enough to buy a remodeled craftsman just off a historical town square in California while my wife was a stay at home mom. She went back to work once the kids were in high school. She now works with the homeless population.

Three questions:

* What’s your measure of success?
* What do you give back to society besides disdain?
* What’s desirable about you that isn’t attached to money?

 

[Meekly_Anna]

That's the theme of Houston, Houston, Do You Read?

Thank you, I never read the book but I think I will do now.

 

[LoneMilf]

This whole thread is ridiculous

Civilization and the world that we live in today was and is built by human beings of both genders. It doesn't matter who did what specific tasks. Men and women are much more alike than different in their capabilities. And saying that women can't build things or dig a canal or go to war is just silly. There is nothing physically or mentally preventing any of that.

This has always been the case, but even more so as technology takes over/revolutionizes more and more of the physically demanding tasks. We are equal in ability - we should also be equal in rights and responsibilities.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Three questions:

* What’s your measure of success?
* What do you give back to society besides disdain?
* What’s desirable about you that isn’t attached to money?

I love your questions. Everyone should answer them. Not necessarily in public but for their own.

 

[Cly_Anders]

And the most intolerant and hateful women can't even stand that.........western women HATE men on a level that's not even really describeable. They literally want their fathers, brothers and sons to be castred and feminized to the extinction of the species. They literally celebrate murdering their own offspring they hate white people SO much.

Especially the white ones. IDK what it is but middle class to rich white women hate men on such a deep level it's WILD. And they either don't realzie it or are in total denial about it.....TOTAL denial. LIke democrats or confused MAGA's who haven't realized they are MAGA's yet like IL74..... pretending Dems are the most pro-2A and hardcore border hwaks that ever were!!

Haha, you're so funny. You're so black and white. This made me laugh out loud. I am middle class white woman and I hate other women. Like, why would a man want to be a woman? We have to sit to pee. I cannot fathom why anyone would willingly give up their ability to pee standing up just so they can wear fake boobs and dresses. My mother was deeply abusive and while I've had plenty of abusive bfs in the past, none have come close to what my own mother put me through so I'm a white middle class woman hating woman. where do I fit into your black and white narrative there? thanks for the laugh. I'm gonna go worship my husband's cock now. XD

 

[HisArpy]

I’m a sole proprietor and have enough operating capital and scruples that I’ve never filed a mechanics lien against a private home owner. I’ve also never advertised, so all of my work comes from my reputation.

I also do a lot of pro-bono work for little old ladies and men on fixed incomes. Actually I’ve found it’s better charge at least $100 for those clients and waive it if they just don’t have the cash.

Lol, I have clients who call me BEFORE they do things just so I can look over their proposals/plans/intentions. I can literally spend hours reviewing their documents and talking to them in person or on the phone.

And I do it FOR FREE! Every time.

Because I get paid when fuckups like you don't do your diligence before you sign the dotted line and my clients sue. It's very VERY lucrative because there are so many fuckups like you out there.

Attorneys, on the other hand, produce no tangible goods. They mostly run up exorbitant fees competing against other attorneys, sometimes even going out together on their client’s dime, writing off the expense because they broach the subject of a case over a fine meal.

You’re a parasite who relies on other people to make “manly” things happen.

Lol. Keep telling yourself that you're more valuable to society than the movers and shakers. I'm sure they'll all sit up and take notice and change how they do business.

You know, the business of extending TRILLIONS of dollars in capital to the companies that make the shit you install for $100 to gullible senior citizens and poor people who can't really afford it.

I don’t mind crossing lines about what’s sexy on whom. I’ve been alternately objectified and ostracized by manly men all of my life. I’ve dated women lesbians, attorneys, architects, athletes, artists, and pre-school teachers. I’ve never actually had a boyfriend. I went to a concert last night in costume and danced with men and women.

Good for you. I'm sure than those who were convinced you were female will appreciate the social/sexual deception you engaged in. Tell us, do you go to nightclubs while wearing a dress so you don't have to stand at the door or pay to get in?

My business has been successful enough to buy a remodeled craftsman just off a historical town square in California while my wife was a stay at home mom.

Lol. It's funny you seem to think you're more than a guy with a truck.

Successful? Because you own a house in California? dudly, MILLIONS (literally) of people own houses in California. You being one of them doesn't distinguish you at all. It's like you're trying to convince us that you're the biggest sports fan in a stadium filled to capacity with sports fans.

Three questions:

* What’s your measure of success?

Satisfaction of a job well done, a life well lived, and unwavering friends who will stand there with you, and like it, when the going does more than get tough.

* What do you give back to society besides disdain?

Security and peace of mind for others. Stability for society through enforcement of the rules for peaceful coexistence. A bright line measure of good versus evil. The knowledge that someone will be there when you need advice and help. Advocacy for when things need changed so society can evolve and develop. Support and access to the law and legal relief for those who cannot afford to pay for it. A pillar of hope for the downtrodden.

And, of course, I'm the villain assholes like you can try to spit on as you go through life thinking you're superior to everyone else.

* What’s desirable about you that isn’t attached to money?

Many things that I don't have to tout in order to puff up my chest about over the internet.

If only you could say/do the same.

 

[HisArpy]

This whole thread is ridiculous

Civilization and the world that we live in today was and is built by human beings of both genders. It doesn't matter who did what specific tasks. Men and women are much more alike than different in their capabilities. And saying that women can't build things or dig a canal or go to war is just silly. There is nothing physically or mentally preventing any of that.

This has always been the case, but even more so as technology takes over/revolutionizes more and more of the physically demanding tasks. We are equal in ability - we should also be equal in rights and responsibilities.

No it wasn't. Thinking that men and women are equal only disregards the fact that men historically had god given rights and women needed laws to make them equal. It also fails to recognize that in some places those laws don't exist yet and the 2 sexes aren't equal at all in either society or before the laws of those lands.

 

[HisArpy]

Dude?

The dinosaurs weren't contemporaneous with humans. Or are you one of those "creationists"?

As for marauding animal predators, remember it was technology, like fire, spear, bow and arrow that let humans bring down mammoths or sabre-tooth tigers, not bare-knuckle brawling!

Yes, tools created and used by MEN against all comers; human or animal.

 

[ll74]

No it wasn't. Thinking that men and women are equal only disregards the fact that men historically had god given rights and women needed laws to make them equal. It also fails to recognize that in some places those laws don't exist yet and the 2 sexes aren't equal at all in either society or before the laws of those lands.

Women needed laws to overcome laws that men made that made them unequal. So did black people.