Well done George...

[Ham Murabi]

By the way, ppman, have you enlisted yet?

 

[Coolville]

With fools like Lazarus 1280 trying to be childishly funny on a political thread I wouldn't be at all surprised...
ppman

Come off it mate, this board needs humour and god knows we don't get it from the rednecks... Lazarus was funny!

 

[teddybear4play]

But they're complying now, even to the extent of allowing overflights by U2 spy planes...

So what's the problem?

It's called covering his ass. The more we say war is imminent, the faster he rolls over on things. Lest any of you forget, the whole reason there's even inspections right now is because we — not France, Germany, or Belgium — rattled the sabers six months ago. And now we say his clock is ticking, and he caves in on U-2 flights.

There will come a point, though, when he'll stop rolling over. For him to surrender whatever WMD's he has would mean surrendering his power. He won't and can't do that. So he'll buy time, stall, keep the heat off him, hope that it never comes down to force, and wham-o, he can convince his people (and himself) that he stared down the U.S. and made us blink. That will not be a good thing.

TB4p

 

[p_p_man]

There will come a point, though, when he'll stop rolling over. For him to surrender whatever WMD's he has would mean surrendering his power. He won't and can't do that.

TB4p

So why not wait until that stage before invading?

Coincidentally I'm watching the Cuban Missile Crisis on TV as I'm typing this and they made a lot of play in 1962 (40 years ago) about the capability of the U2. How it could photograph newspaper headlines from so many miles up.

With today's technology I can't see that there would be much that could be hidden from it...

ppman

 

[Lost Cause]

Sure, let's wait...

Wait for WMD deployment to RG units, wait for civilians to be relocated to military targets, wait for a change in Sodamn Insane's character to reveal his violations, and lose face to the arab world. Wait so more American's will die trying to avert civilian deaths, taking more chances in doing so.
Every civilian and coalition soldier killed in the battle, is a direct result of people like the bashers on these threads, and the appeasers causing the delay in ending the cease fire signed by Iraq in 1991.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Sure, let's wait...

Every civilian and coalition soldier killed in the battle, is a direct result of people like the bashers on these threads, and the appeasers

You're fucking mad...

It's because Bush Senior didn't finish the job on the first place...

ppman

 

[Coolville]

Re: Sure, let's wait...

Every civilian and coalition soldier killed in the battle, is a direct result of people like the bashers on these threads, and the appeasers causing the delay in ending the cease fire signed by Iraq in 1991.

Lol!
You're so adorable when you overdose on testostorone!

Already trying to pass the blame for the dead civilians your people and government are itching to slaughter.

 

[Don K Dyck]

It is so sad . . .

So why not wait until that stage before invading?

Coincidentally I'm watching the Cuban Missile Crisis on TV as I'm typing this and they made a lot of play in 1962 (40 years ago) about the capability of the U2. How it could photograph newspaper headlines from so many miles up.

With today's technology I can't see that there would be much that could be hidden from it...

ppman

Hi ppman, I see that the uneducated remain unconcerned by their one-eyed ignorance . . . the Cuban missile crisis . . . where JFK called the bluff on Kruschev . . . and won. Pity such a good President was assassinated . . . in Texas . . . (where all the little oil bushies come from . . . Oh! Daddy Bush is serving his second term as president . . . only two more terms to go with jeb at the front . . . then we can try for a Bushette . . . or should that be a Brush . . . or a Beaver??)

Have you noticed the duplicity of U$ foreign policy . . . how it is definitely OK for Israel to ignore UN directives, but any country having oil reserves coveted by U$ oil corporations must play the game "the American way" . . . you know, America is always right . . . so far right that Genghis Kahn looks like a Communist . . .

Have you noticed how North Korea freely acknowledges having "unauthorised" WMD and there is not a squeak out of the appointed President or the U$ State Department . . . bet there are no oil reserves in North Korea . . . bet the U$ has reneged on an energy deal with North Korea . . . which President got his money out of Haliburton??

Have you noticed how U$ public opinion has been deflected away from the extremely poor economic performance of the U$ economy, especially the corporate sector where executive greed has replaced management of corporate assets, and tax cuts for the rich are more important than homeless mothers trying to feed their starving kids . . .

Home of the brave . . . (when they hold all the weapons) land of the free . . . (where Presidents are appointed not elected) why won't you let them be . . . in somebody else's oil (imperialistically??)

Like my mate Orlanth says, fighting to achieve peace is like fucking to save virginity . . . another oxymoron brought to you by Military Intelligence, Republican Thinking and Microsoft Works!!

 

[teddybear4play]

I liked you a lot more when you were gone.

TB4p

 

[Cuckolded_BlK_Male]

Great post, Busybody.
Only a moron would believe the U.S.'s interest in Iraq is based on imperialism.
Of course, donkeydickhead (where is he lately?) is a moron.

Of course. It's based on Oil and the family vendetta of a pin-head of a President whose using Iraq to draw attention away from his failure in the "war on terrorism" and the various corporate scandals that were coming to close to him and Cheney. It's an old trick. His father started a war to avert attention from the insider trading scandal, just when it seemed that Neil Bush would be heading to prison.

 

[Don K Dyck]

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR


Instead, I want to do perform a “thought experiment” by asking this question: “How would the United States be acting if it really were an imperialist bully?” The answer is, “very differently.”

Oh, a xenophobic America today would act in pretty much the same way that it has acted for the last 58 years . . . the rest of the world is different to America and so must be feared because it thinks for itself . . . we are Americans and it is our God given crusade to change the world into the image of America.

What about the “Arab street?” The answer would be machine guns, labor camps, and bulldozed mosques. (Replaced, perhaps, by new mosques with pliable mullahs). Really troublesome populations would be relocated, a la Stalin and the Crimean Tartars. (If the task proved too ugly for American troops, we’d hire mercenaries — excuse me, “Foreign Legion troops” — from sub-Saharan Africa, East Timor, and other places whose populations dislike Muslims. There would be atrocities and brutality, of course, but that would be part of the plan.) The response to people who said the war was just about oil? “You’re right. And if you’re nice to us, we’ll sell you some.”

Uhm . . . you are describing the extremist regime of Sharon in Isreal here, aren't you? . . . I mean, who else can ignore directions from the UN . . . Iraq??



But I’m getting kind of tired hearing the United States accused of behaving like an imperial power when it isn’t. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, you can't really count the subjugation of Central America . . . that was defence of the now dry Texas oilfields . . . and destruction of the South American economies by installing military dictatorships like Pinochet in Chile . . . well, that was just CIA business paid for by U$ multinational corporations wanting to take over cheaply, the public assets of those countries . . . thanks Hal Geneen of IT&T for the million dollar payment buying President Nixon . . . then there was the interference in Oz politics when the democratically elected Whitlam Labor government was tossed out by CIA interference . . .


It’s odd to me that people who are so concerned about how American actions might play with comparatively powerless denizens of the “Arab street” don’t worry even a little about how their words and actions might play with the far more powerful American Street. (Gallup reports plummeting opinions of France and Germany among Americans). Yet it’s obvious that Jacques Chirac, Gerhard Schroeder, and Kofi Annan aren’t worrying about this at all. In a way, of course, that’s evidence that they know just how silly their claims of imperialism and atrocity really are.


They realize, in other words, that the United States isn’t acting the way their nations would probably act, if they possessed the power of the United States. Let’s hope that things stay that way [/B][/QUOTE]

Uhm . . . the U$ is acting in precisely the same way that it has acted for the last 58 years . . . xenophobically . . . stuff the rest of the world, if it is good for the U$ then it must, by definition, be good for the rest of the world . . . only we, the rest of the world, just don't see it that way . . .

Perhaps if Dubyah Shrub spent as much time on drafting legislation to control the greed of U$ corporate executives, then he may gain some credibility . . . until then, well . . .

 

[TWB]

After today, Colin Powell, one of the only bush administration officials that I had any respect for, has lost all credibility in my eyes.