Weak Characters

[gordo12]

Yeah, get out it.

You seem to be in an algorithmic spiral due to current tastes. This is how conspiracy theorists wind-up down the rabbit hole but you’re in a “weak protagonist” one (this is new).

If you’re after better protagonists though you’re in the right place as Literotica has THOUSANDS of them…but…stay out of LW (Loving Wives) that’s potentially even more toxic.

There's nothing in the algorithms for a weak character that I'm aware of. Plus, I'm downloading multiple genres ranging from Westerns, Romance, YA, Paranormal, Sci-fi, Action and others. But when it comes to behind the scene coding, I guess you can never say never.

 

[gordo12]

You can basically just imagine me reposting that Big Lebowski "WTF" gif in response to all your further attempts at face-saving. That'll spare the bandwidth, at least.

A little man looking for attention.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I've seen some stats and, to me, they don't impress. I buy a few every month, but overall, I don't think many authors get their money back. I seem to recall it starts @ $1500/email. They send them out 7 days a week. Also, a lot of those books are on KU which I have so it's attractive to download them.

Then I won't suggest it to my publisher.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Now I have to find that book! Thanks, Mary. I've read all the Perry Mason novels and short stories. I've also read Cool and Lam, but not that one. Gardner had a series of novels and short stories with a DA as the hero and a sleazy Defence Attorney he defeated in court, his Ani-Mason stories. I haven't found them yet, but I know they are out there, somewhere.

Glad I can help with your furthering your Cool and Lam education. One thing you should know, Donald Lam gets the shit kicked out of him.

 

[CyranoJ]

@gordo12

Aiight, one more.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d77920333ffcbf77de59ab05a9ea243b/tenor.gif?itemid=13577382

Amusingly, you figured out a way to post your last reply that wouldn't show up in my notifications...

... but you still apparently can't access your Kindle's download history?

Because it records downloads. You can view them. Consider that my positive contribution to this thread.

I still don't believe that you are totally incapable of producing a single solitary example of the trope you're claiming exists Because Kindle.

I think it's hysterically funny that you're still trying to pretend that's a thing.

I think it remains massively mock-worthy that you're too embarrassed about whatever it is you've been reading to face up to how obviously ridiculous these claims are. I am not "traumatized." I'm just laughing at you.

Like: if you were getting this impression from a book like Cuckold Adventures (The Novel): A Massive Cuckold Fetish Saga (Kindle Edition), maybe try different books from that? I have to assume that's what you're reading if you have the impression that you're describing a "trend."

And yes, I'm 100% just making shit up b/c you have provided literally nothing to go on, and it's still tremendously amusing that you don't grasp how fucking hilariously stupid this is.

Yes, I will continue to mock you the longer you persist. No, there is no name you can call me that will persuade me to take this incredibly stupid bullshit seriously.

The good news is that you CAN engage me constructively by providing a single, solitary example of this trope you claim is a thing.

Just one.

At this point, I do not believe that you are too incompetent to manage it. Maybe you're too embarrassed? Maybe you're not confident? But it is not possible that you're as incompetent as you're trying to pretend.

 

[Altissimus]

It seems that every book I get these days has the major character as a weak, insipid, barely able to keep himself from being killed. These are action novels where you want a star, not a schlock!

One had the main character passing out or getting knocked out every time there was action. Somebody kept having to save him!

It seems to me the trend to try and show your major characters as flawed humans has gone too far!

Anyone else noticing this?

Late to this discussion, but Logan Jacobs has a series on Kindle Unlimited called "The OP [overpowered] MC - God of Winning". Just to put an alternative view out there...

 

[gordo12]

@gordo12

Aiight, one more.

What a pathetic little worm.

How much of that book should I post? If it's 300 pages, should I make a post 200 pages long to prove my point? If I can produce 50 books like that, should I post a 1,000 pages to prove it? 10,000 pages. What you're asking is unrealistic and it's a clue to your ultimate stupidity that you don't even realize that.

Give your brain a cleanout and try not to be the biggest ASSHOLE on the site.

 

[CyranoJ]

How much of that book should I post?

If a book exists, or more than one, you can just provide references to them so that other people can check them out and confirm or disconfirm what you're claiming about them. Links and such. That's how that typically works, dude.

I love that you've transitioned to trying to pretend I was asking you to post the books in full. No. That's a hilariously stupid thing to try to pretend, and I'm now laughing at you for that too (not to mention that I'm supposedly the "biggest asshole on the site" for pointing out that being this haplessly unprepared for the extremely simple step "provide an example of what you want to talk about" is funny AF), but mainly I'm just morbidly curious at this point about your apparent bloody-minded determination to have the last word.

 

[gordo12]

I'm supposedly the "biggest asshole on the site"

We already figured that part out.

"provide an example of what you want to talk about" is funny AF),

I did. And if you actually READ through the thread, you'd find I mentioned an example of what I'd seen. Truncated obviously. But it's there. Why don't you try reading instead of flapping that huge void in the middle of your face!

but mainly I'm just morbidly curious at this point about your apparent bloody-minded determination to have the last word.

It's your posts that always follow. But enough of your stupidity. Piss off!

What kind of sick perverted mind wants to take over a thread and make it about him?

 

[SimonDoom]

How much of that book should I post? If it's 300 pages, should I make a post 200 pages long to prove my point? If I can produce 50 books like that, should I post a 1,000 pages to prove it? 10,000 pages. What you're asking is unrealistic and it's a clue to your ultimate stupidity that you don't even realize that.

Gordo, Cyrano is piling on a bit, but he's got a good point. This thread is over a month old and you haven't given a SINGLE example of what you're talking about. Given how much you read I assume you've continued reading since the start of the thread, so you must be able to cite a single book title and describe a single character in some detail who fits the description of the weak character you find so prevalent. If you did so, we'd have something interesting and meaningful to talk about. Without that, I think many of us are curious but somewhat baffled.

 

[gordo12]

Gordo, Cyrano is piling on a bit, but he's got a good point. This thread is over a month old and you haven't given a SINGLE example of what you're talking about. Given how much you read I assume you've continued reading since the start of the thread, so you must be able to cite a single book title and describe a single character in some detail who fits the description of the weak character you find so prevalent. If you did so, we'd have something interesting and meaningful to talk about. Without that, I think many of us are curious but somewhat baffled.

He's not piling it on; he's acting like a total asshole. And the opening post gave a perfect example of what I was talking about. And the convo appeared to be going well, with people talking about it. I asked if anyone else had seen a trend toward that. Pretty much a yes or no question. Not something to start a war over.

And he's wrong about Kindle. While they keep a list of my purchases they DO NOT keep a list of KU downloaded. Considering the vast majority of my reading is on KU freebies, perhaps you can understand why over several months, I can't even begin to go back and find the hundreds of books I downloaded and returned.

Great, Cyrano hasn't seen such a trend. It's out of bounds to turn that into a series of harassing posts.

 

[gordo12]

Gordo, Cyrano is piling on a bit,

 

[gordo12]

Sorry, glitch going on and double posted.

 

[CyranoJ]

We already figured that part out.

Yeah, you're not much better at the zingers than you are at providing citations. Sorry, bruh.

I did. And if you actually READ through the thread, you'd find I mentioned an example of what I'd seen.

No. You didn't. Vaguely describing something from a book you can't name about a character you can't name isn't "mentioning an example."

And I mean, the responses with this amount of squirming, name-calling, ineffectual bluster, desperate accusations of "harassment," and attempts to outright lie about the contents of the thread and what "providing an example" means... it's just fascinating. How are you this freaked out that someone came along and noticed how bizarre it is that "provide an example" is this impossible mountain that you refuse to climb? The more you dig your heels in, the weirder it gets.

(I didn't realize you were one of those chronic e-book returners on Kindle. There actually are a couple of ways to view those items as well, apparently. You may wish to give them a shot when you're less defensive. At any rate, I'll leave you alone now, you're not that fascinating.)

 

[SimonDoom]

And the opening post gave a perfect example of what I was talking about.

No it didn't. Give us an author, title, and character name. Give us some more information about the character and your analysis of the character. Then we have something to debate back and forth. This thread is in its second month and third page and you haven't done that. So far, this is a ships passing in the night thread.

 

[MillieDynamite]

But the trend isn't a new one, as Mary (theWollstonecraftWoamn) pointed out. Weaker characters overcoming their flaws is a staple in fiction.

Mary said:

In the Lam and Cool series of books by Earl Stanley Gardner, using the pen name of A. A. Fair, Lam got beat up in every story at least once and only won one fight in the series. Bertha Cool was a portly gal and didn't care what anyone thought about it. Donald Lam estimated her weight at 220 pounds. That series of books ended in 1967, so the trend isn't new at all.

However, I'm not entirely certain being willing to fight when you don't have a chance of winning is a flaw, nor do I think it is a sign of weakness.

 

[gordo12]

No it didn't. Give us an author, title, and character name. Give us some more information about the character and your analysis of the character. Then we have something to debate back and forth. This thread is in its second month and third page and you haven't done that. So far, this is a ships passing in the night thread.

Why, was everybody going to run out to buy the book to check on it?

(I didn't realize you were one of those chronic e-book returners on Kindle.

Once again, your ignorance is overwhelming. KU: Kindle Unlimited is a monthly paid service where you borrow the books like a library and then return them once read. The writer gets paid for the number of pages read out of the fees. It allows writers to offer books for FREE. I've had hundreds over the years. Anyway, done with your ignorant behaviour!

 

[CyranoJ]

Why, was everybody going to run out to buy the book to check on it?

Well, some of us might have been motivated to have a gander. In a normal situation, curiosity about that would have been the whole point of posting here. I think the more interesting question is: why are you so terrified to find out?

You don't have to answer. I've concluded that the title of this thread most clearly describes you, and you have a point: such characters are a bore to read. But you can choose to face up to it at some point. That's up to you.

KU: Kindle Unlimited is a monthly paid service where you borrow the books like a library and then return them once read. The writer gets paid for the number of pages read out of the fees. It allows writers to offer books for FREE.

I have books on KU. There's also a method to track and see books you've read there, which should not be a surprise by now. You will still refuse to do it, because of.... whatever the fuck your actual problem is supposed to be, but it's there. If you have any kind of respect for the time and attention of the people you're interacting with, it's there. That is also up to you.

[You might notice a consistent theme here, BTW: literally every time you try to retreat to "because I read on Kindle," your Terrible Evil Worst-Asshole-in-the-World Enemy can counter your specious claims with a few simple minutes of Googling. This is a sign that this tactic is never going to be credible. It is never going to work. That is because it is Bullshit. All it can afford you is more humiliation. Soak that in, accept it, change your tactics, LEARN something, and do better. This can be a learning process if you let it be.]

How nice that you're done with my "ignorant behavior." Maybe I should go on posting here, then? (Rhetorical question: I said I'll leave you alone, and if you stop producing bullshit like the above, I'll do just that. I won't let you just lie and misrepresent things, of course, which appears to be the only arrow left in your quiver, but that part is, once again, up to you.)

 

[gordo12]

Well,

I don't give a flying fuck about you. But I do thank you for providing that link. I didn't know about that page.

Past that point, you're nothing but drivelling idiot on Lit, and I'll be looking to return the favour when I see you post somewhere.

 

[CyranoJ]

I'll be looking to return the favour when I see you post somewhere.

If I ever start a thread where I can't be bothered to provide a single solitary example of what I'm talking about, your moment will have come.

I mean, don't hold your breath? But maybe I'll do one of those just to give you some satisfaction at this point. I went in pretty hard on you, it would be only fair.

EDIT: You know what? If you want a whole thread where you get to do literally nothing but shit-talk me, I've got you covered.