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We should Ban The Burqa Over Security Concerns…

Maybe ban the yarmulke too. There's no telling what they're hiding under that thing and radical Jewish groups have been responsible for more terrorist attacks in and on the US than Muslims. :cool:
 
eyerami said:
Don't you need to Rock The Casbah, first?
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Already happened. ISIS has banned the burqa in certain key areas after a few of its commanders got blown to smithereens by burqa clad suicide bombers.
 
Tell it to ISIS

Now the burka is banned... by ISIS! Terror group outlaws the Islamic garb from their buildings because they are a SECURITY RISK
ISIS has outlawed veils at their security centres in Mosul, northern Iraq
Previously women have been beaten or even killed for not wearing outfits
Last month, women in a liberated city were pictured burning their burkas


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rb-buildings-SECURITY-RISK.html#ixzz4JYfNraH2
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Maybe ban the yarmulke too. There's no telling what they're hiding under that thing and radical Jewish groups have been responsible for more terrorist attacks in and on the US than Muslims.
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Is Ulaven muslim?
 
underguy1 said:
Why would you ask that?
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While the comparison wasn't bad in this case, he always does that: makes his case by bringing up and attacking christian but mostly jewish faith. While singing the kumbaya about Islam.

But that's something that a lot of GB libs. do.
 
hashtag45 said:
While the comparison wasn't bad in this case, he always does that: makes his case by bringing up and attacking christian but mostly jewish faith. While singing the kumbaya about Islam.

But that's something that a lot of GB libs. do.
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No. I don't accept that.
 
underguy1 said:
No. I don't accept that.
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Btw: talk about american brainwashing.

I get the libs.' desire to advocate for stigmatized or oppressed minorities.

But it doesn't make sense to me for example, that some of the same people who derride Christian faith, claiming that it's misogynistic, homophobic and a quackery,
-- attack those who point out the homophobic and misogynistic elements of Islam, even if the latter are doing it in a non-Busybody manner.
 
hashtag45 said:
Btw: talk about american brainwashing.

I get the libs.' desire to advocate for stigmatized or oppressed minorities.

But it doesn't make sense to me for example, that some of the same people who derride Christian faith, claiming that it's misogynistic, homophobic and a quackery,
-- attack those who point out the homophobic and misogynistic elements of Islam, even if the latter are doing it in a non-Busybody manner.
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No idea what any of that means.
 
Geeze, I typed h to log in and I signed in with the wrong account (I only created it to correct a voting error)
 
xbb said:
so no one addresses the issue at hand!

as usual
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I say the rationale given by those who banned burkinis on France's tourist beaches is also valid.
Ban them also for what they stand for symbolically, their relationship to radical Islam and oppression of women.
 
xbb said:
:cool:
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That would be so helpful.

Boston bombers in matching Burqas

http://dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploads/bombers.jpg


July 7 London bombers hiding their deadly bombs underneath their traditional burqas

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51296000/jpg/_51296600_jex_959997_de27-1.jpg


The burqa - home of many things in Brussels

http://i.alalam.ir/news/Image/original/2016/03/23/alalam_635943252673855435_25f_4x3.jpg

hashtag45 said:
I say the rationale given by those who banned burkinis on France's tourist beaches is also valid.
Ban them also for what they stand for symbolically, their relationship to radical Islam and oppression of women.
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The rationale is rubbish. French secularism ensures that no church has an influence on government matters and that the government has no influence on religious matters. How ordinary people dress in France is not covered by that law.

I am a feminist and therefore I do not approve of anyone forcing a woman to dress in a specific way. Taken to its logical conclusion, that means that if a woman wants to cover herself from head to toe, no matter how bizarre I might find that, that is her choice. However, if a man, a family, a church or indeed a state is forcing a woman to dress in a specific way, I completely condemn that and I will give whatever help the woman asks for to change that situation. Please note though, that it is the woman who decides. If she wants to challenge any authority that oppresses her, she decides how, when and where, not the French state or the Republican party.
 
Brollyanna said:
The rationale is rubbish. French secularism ensures that no church has an influence on government matters and that the government has no influence on religious matters. How ordinary people dress in France is not covered by that law.

I am a feminist and therefore I do not approve of anyone forcing a woman to dress in a specific way. Taken to its logical conclusion, that means that if a woman wants to cover herself from head to toe, no matter how bizarre I might find that, that is her choice. However, if a man, a family, a church or indeed a state is forcing a woman to dress in a specific way, I completely condemn that and I will give whatever help the woman asks for to change that situation. Please note though, that it is the woman who decides. If she wants to challenge any authority that oppresses her, she decides how, when and where, not the French state or the Republican party.
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It's a very complex issue, and your point is valid too.
On top of that, such a measure could have the potential of setting a dangerous precedent in all sorts of ways.
Some other pros /or cons for banning burkas:

1.Are those women really free to make their choice? Aren't they being pressured by their communities or families (either directly 'you wear a burka, or you're not allowed to go out' or more subtly - the fear of facing rejection by their own), or being brainwashed or indoctrinated?
- in saying that, basically all of us are being indoctrinated to some point or another, and who are we to say that our truth is the right one?

2.Those who were targeted were mainly economic migrants who chose to come to France. The adoptive country has the right to ask -especially economic- migrants to assimilate a bit in the culture. If you don't like it, emmigrate to another country.
- on the other hand, asking migrants to change some of their habits After they emmigrated. -instead of making those expectations clear before that- is not fair.



Before the latest developments in Europe, I would have agreed with your pov. For example, I opposed Lance when he started a similar "Burkas should be banned in Canada" thread many months ago.

But with all that's been going on lately in France (the terrorist attacks, plus the latest discovery that an astounding no. of mosques preached hatred, and a few of them even encouraged terrorism) I'm starting to see their point. Plus ISIS has recently asked it's followers to target France in particular.
And particularly related to this case: some of the excuses for the astounding no of the latest sexual assaults on western women in Germany, Sweden were : they had it coming because they dressed inappropriately, unlike the modesty preached by Islam.

France is currently in a state of emergency, the population is in a state of panic, and in such critical and dangerous times certain more drastic measures can make sense.
Will this measure backfire and make things even worse? Who knows.
 
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