We should all be raised by the State!

[4est_4est_Gump]

Just like a good neighbor...


xoxoxoxoxo,
The Village Idiot

 

[Ishmael]

I read that thread all the way through, thank God it was short.

If I wanted to depopulate a nation I don't think I could think of a finer way to go about it. Imagine, an entire nation left populated with sub-educated sociopaths.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I do not have to imagine. I still kick myself for not saving the link to an article I read about three years ago where a former East German "intellectual" was bemoaning the German unification for now she was out of work where before she had lived in a utopia where there was no unemployment, her PhD was free as was her healthcare, housing and her job with the Ministry of __________ which paid her enough to eat well and gave her plenty of time to visit with all of her other similarly educated and employed friends.

Funny, she never mentioned children though. Of course, it was clear that she was one and because of that the economic collapse of such a nanny state came to her as a total surprise. She never saw it coming...

I am sure, had she had bred, that the state would have assumed the parenting responsibilities.

It would be the least that they could do.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I was thinking that the State already does all the raising?

But based on my professional experiences all the raising happens tween 9 and 5, weekdays only.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh no JAMES, PBS and NPR there 24/7 to make sure the proper education is non-stop...




:nods:

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I do not have to imagine. I still kick myself for not saving the link to an article I read about three years ago where a former East German "intellectual" was bemoaning the German unification for now she was out of work where before she had lived in a utopia where there was no unemployment, her PhD was free as was her healthcare, housing and her job with the Ministry of __________ which paid her enough to eat well and gave her plenty of time to visit with all of her other similarly educated and employed friends.

Funny, she never mentioned children though. Of course, it was clear that she was one and because of that the economic collapse of such a nanny state came to her as a total surprise. She never saw it coming...

I am sure, had she had bred, that the state would have assumed the parenting responsibilities.

It would be the least that they could do.

Collapse always catches Lefties by surprise.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Collapse always catches Lefties by surprise.

But there are always element of the right, Capitalism, and world Jewry to blame...

 

[Ishmael]

I do not have to imagine. I still kick myself for not saving the link to an article I read about three years ago where a former East German "intellectual" was bemoaning the German unification for now she was out of work where before she had lived in a utopia where there was no unemployment, her PhD was free as was her healthcare, housing and her job with the Ministry of __________ which paid her enough to eat well and gave her plenty of time to visit with all of her other similarly educated and employed friends.

Funny, she never mentioned children though. Of course, it was clear that she was one and because of that the economic collapse of such a nanny state came to her as a total surprise. She never saw it coming...

I am sure, had she had bred, that the state would have assumed the parenting responsibilities.

It would be the least that they could do.

I remember the article, probably from a link you provided. *chuckle*

Isn't it amazing that all of those 'Utopian' socialist states of Europe are in a state of demographic collapse. I don't think any of them saw that coming.

I also noticed that the OP of that thread claims to be from some central American banana Republic. Probably trying to recruit the daughter of some upper middle class family with his revolutionary zeal. The money will all go to the 'cause' you know?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One of the banana republics (Honduras?) is allowing a libertarian city to be built and I would be there if I did not see a mugging out on the event horizon...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Oh no JAMES, PBS and NPR there 24/7 to make sure the proper education is non-stop...




:nods:

I discovered that the real experts never have kids, and plenty of them have no credentials or fund of relevant experience. The common road to eminence starts with fellating the right penis, getting a Special Assistant gig from it, and transferring to the 1st Team when the time is ripe.

My graduate school faculty advisor came to my first shop to check on me, and wanted some suggestions for improving the program at school, so I told him that some martial arts and a couple-three cocksucking practicums oughta prepare every crusader for whatever hops down the bunny trail.

 

[Ishmael]

One of the banana republics (Honduras?) is allowing a libertarian city to be built and I would be there if I did not see a mugging out on the event horizon...

Trying to model themselves after Costa Rica?

I hear you about the 'mugging' to come. I don't think they have the wisdom or the patience of the Chinese, who have allowed Hong Kong to keep trucking along. Some demagog like Chavez will come along and kill the goose.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

But there are always element of the right, Capitalism, and world Jewry to blame...

True. Demanding payment for what you do keeps capitalists and Jews in the grips of the Dark Side.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Trying to model themselves after Costa Rica?

I hear you about the 'mugging' to come. I don't think they have the wisdom or the patience of the Chinese, who have allowed Hong Kong to keep trucking along. Some demagog like Chavez will come along and kill the goose.

Ishmael

One wonders how long before Hong Kong is quietly assimilated and reorganized as not to give the Han an idea that there may be a way other than Confucius...

True. Demanding payment for what you do keeps capitalists and Jews in the grips of the Dark Side.

That is why some are always allowed to survive the pogroms...

 

[Ishmael]

One wonders how long before Hong Kong is quietly assimilated and reorganized as not to give the Han an idea that there may be a way other than Confucius...

I don't think they will. To damn valuable as a conduit that operates both ways.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't think they will. To damn valuable as a conduit that operates both ways.

Ishmael

They will have to Nationalize it as their economy continues to fold like the cheap house of cards it was. It gives the people hope and hope is a precursor to change, or as Joe Biden puts it, chains...

 

[ChinaBandit]

You guys do not understand the Chinese at all.

Democracy isn't a universalist value.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You guys do not understand the Chinese at all.

Democracy isn't a universalist value.

Democracy is a pernicious evil.

If you do not believe me, reread The Federalist Papers...

A lot of the time, I do not think you even understand your native heritage.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Democracy is a pernicious evil.

If you do not believe me, reread The Federalist Papers...

A lot of the time, I do not think you even understand your native heritage.

How are the Federalist Papers relevant in 2012?

If you give me a valid answer to that I might take the time to read them once.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How are the Federalist Papers relevant in 2012?

If you give me a valid answer to that I might take the time to read them once.

Wow...


Franklin and DeTocqueville were right.

I think we got another one who thinks technological change equals social evolution...

 

[ChinaBandit]

Wow...


Franklin and DeTocqueville were right.

I think we got another one who thinks technological change equals social evolution...

That's a non-answer.

I've never bothered to consider the impact of technology on social evolution either. I'm not sure social evolution is a valid concept to begin with.

All non-relevant to the PRC's administration of Hong Kong and Macau as well.

 

[Ishmael]

How are the Federalist Papers relevant in 2012?

If you give me a valid answer to that I might take the time to read them once.

Wow...


Franklin and DeTocqueville were right.

I think we got another one who thinks technological change equals social evolution...

Pretty much. I was going to post, "OMG, another one of 'those'."

But to address his/her/its question. There has been NO significant philosophical thought regarding the relationship of man to his government in centuries, none. Having an iPhone and driving a car, turning on the lights, opening the fridge, none of that means nothing at all. It is merely an expression of technological advancement. From the standpoint of mans relationship to man, or man to his government there has been none whatsoever. And thinking that it somehow has is delusional.

Franklin, Adams, Jay, Hamilton, Locke, Aurelius, von Humboldt, Plato, and oh so many more are quite relevant. Their philosophical works were independent of technological advance. Those philosophers that have tried to tie technology to governmental philosophies, like Marx, have more or less been disproven as holding out any viable government form with long term stability.

And one more point. The US is NOT a democracy and was purposely designed not to be one. I'll concede that there is a group of politicians that would like to turn it into one, and an ever larger group of the populace who, in ignorance, actually believe that we are one. The framers attitude towards democracy is best summed up by B. Franklin - "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch."

Ishmael

 

[ChinaBandit]

And China's always been an autocracy...

The CCP of today is nothing more than another dynastic empire.

The control of ideas in Hong Kong is a gradual process. It's begun with the elimination of English as a required language of education and, like water, shall follow a relentless path to the ground.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Franklin, Adams, Jay, Hamilton, Locke, Aurelius, von Humboldt, Plato, and oh so many more are quite relevant. Their philosophical works were independent of technological advance. Those philosophers that have tried to tie technology to governmental philosophies, like Marx, have more or less been disproven as holding out any viable government form with long term stability.

"

Ishmael

Relevant to who? You are delusional to believe the world is rushing to consider John Jay, in the least...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If you think that the Constitution is not modern enough, then there is no answer that I can give you that will make Federalist seem relevant, so I did not even make the effort, for those who do not understand liberty cannot be convinced that they are in danger of losing their freedom through the benevolent bonds of security.

Why even this morning one such idiot has "informed" me that we are a mixed economy and always were and ever will be willfully displaying his ignorance of the history and outcome of mixed economies (they fade into tyranny for the mixing never, ever regresses towards liberty). This type of thinker believes that we have learned and progressed (the proof being instantaneous communication or some technological variant thereof) to the point that a mixed economy cannot fail because it is under the control of the great minds of a new age. Therefore classic Liberalism, Capitalism and Federalist are no more than historical curiosities not the foundation of individual liberty.

But trust me, reading and understanding such ancients a Madison, Locke and von Humboldt are very important to those who prefer liberty to nannies...

"The more communal enterprise extends, the more attention is drawn to the bad business results of nationalized and municipalized undertakings. It is impossible to miss the cause of the difficulty: a child could see where something was lacking. So that it cannot be said that this problem has not been tackled. But the way in which it has been tackled has been deplorably inadequate. Its organic connection with the essential nature of socialist enterprise has been regarded as merely a question of better selection of persons. It has not been realized that even exceptionally gifted men of high character cannot solve the problems created by socialist control of industry."
Ludwig Heinrich Elder von Mises

It is popular today to blame capitalism for everything that displeases. Indeed, who is still aware of what he would have to forego if there were no "capitalism?" When great dreams do not come true, capitalism is charged immediately. This may be a proper procedure for party politics, but in Scientific discussion, it should be avoided.
Ludwig von Mises
A Critique of Interventionalism (1929)

"Society has for its element man, who is a free agent; and since man is free, he may choose -- since he may choose, he may be mistaken -- since he may be mistaken, he may suffer....
I have faith in the wisdom of the laws of Providence, and for the same reason I have faith in liberty."
Frédéric Bastiat

 

[ChinaBandit]

If you think that the Constitution is not modern enough, then there is no answer that I can give you that will make Federalist seem relevant, so I did not even make the effort, for those who do not understand liberty cannot be convinced that they are in danger of losing their freedom through the benevolent bonds of security.

Why even this morning one such idiot has "informed" me that we are a mixed economy and always were and ever will be willfully displaying his ignorance of the history and outcome of mixed economies (they fade into tyranny for the mixing never, ever regresses towards liberty). This type of thinker believes that we have learned and progressed (the proof being instantaneous communication or some technological variant thereof) to the point that a mixed economy cannot fail because it is under the control of the great minds of a new age. Therefore classic Liberalism, Capitalism and Federalist are no more than historical curiosities not the foundation of individual liberty.

But trust me, reading and understanding such ancients a Madison, Locke and von Humboldt are very important to those who prefer liberty to nannies...

"The more communal enterprise extends, the more attention is drawn to the bad business results of nationalized and municipalized undertakings. It is impossible to miss the cause of the difficulty: a child could see where something was lacking. So that it cannot be said that this problem has not been tackled. But the way in which it has been tackled has been deplorably inadequate. Its organic connection with the essential nature of socialist enterprise has been regarded as merely a question of better selection of persons. It has not been realized that even exceptionally gifted men of high character cannot solve the problems created by socialist control of industry."
Ludwig Heinrich Elder von Mises

It is popular today to blame capitalism for everything that displeases. Indeed, who is still aware of what he would have to forego if there were no "capitalism?" When great dreams do not come true, capitalism is charged immediately. This may be a proper procedure for party politics, but in Scientific discussion, it should be avoided.
Ludwig von Mises
A Critique of Interventionalism (1929)

"Society has for its element man, who is a free agent; and since man is free, he may choose -- since he may choose, he may be mistaken -- since he may be mistaken, he may suffer....
I have faith in the wisdom of the laws of Providence, and for the same reason I have faith in liberty."
Frédéric Bastiat

Please define freedom as you see it.