We can express our opinions; can an Iraqi? Especially an Iraqi woman?

[oggbashan]

We have the right of free speech and live in democracies. The UK parliament voted for war with "Her Majesty's Opposition" supporting the government.

The French Government support their leader's stance at the UN.

We may disagree with them, but they have the right to disagree with us.

What rights have the Iraqi people got?

Oggbashan

 

[caligula]

What rights have the Iraqi people got?

Oggbashan [/B][/QUOTE]

Cheap oil prices I guess?

 

[oggbashan]

No. Oil is priced in dollars.

 

[Starblayde]

No. Oil is priced in dollars.

thats a global standard for pricing, fool.

 

[DéjàNu]

What rights have the Iraqi people got?

So far, none.

 

[marksgirl]

Re: Re: We can express our opinions; can an Iraqi? Especially an Iraqi woman?

So far, none.

Not yet.

 

[oggbashan]

thats a global standard for pricing, fool.

Yes. That's how we in the UK pay much more for gas than in the USA.

Saddam sets the price in Iraq - and sells it for dollars outside.

 

[Lancecastor]

 

[charma]

Iraq recently switched to pricing their fuel using the euro. With the euro currently higher than the dollar, the US is paying more for fuel.
Iraqi citizens are allowed to carry firearms.
Women are guaranteed the same education as men.
Blue jeans are popular women's wear.

 

[Unclebill]

Originally posted by oggbashan
...What rights have the Iraqi people got?

Oggbashan

Wrong question: the Iraqi people have the same rights as any human being. What they don't have is an environment in which they are permitted to act on those rights because they live under a vicious, dictatorial tyrant's rule.

Your question and several responses to it reveal the sad state of philosophical understanding of the concept of rights that is the standard today.

 

[oggbashan]

But they can't change their government by peaceful means or even express dissent.

 

[Unclebill]

Originally posted by oggbashan
But they can't change their government by peaceful means or even express dissent.

By what line of reasoning does that negate the concept of rights in their specific case?

The men who framed our government offered as an axiomatic concept that rights are innate in the statement:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...

According to Objectivism, rights are innate and are a product of the nature of the human being based on its means of survival and needs for survival as a human being. It takes into account those particular features and factors that distinguish man from all other members of the animal kingdom.

If you hold a contrasting philosophical position, please elucidate.

 

[shopperst]

Neither can those in the UK & US.

But they can't change their government by peaceful means

The last American presidential election...

But they can't ... even express dissent.

I take it this was an ironic statement? Most people in the UK believe that Saddam is evil but also believe that containment & deterent are better than a second scramble for empire.

Don't see Bush n'Blair listening to the people paying their salary...

 

[oggbashan]

Can't answer for Bush but Prime Minister Blair has the support of the majority of our elected representatives in the UK.

That's the democratic way - we elect people; they make decisions; we complain.

 

[weed]

Re: Re: We can express our opinions; can an Iraqi? Especially an Iraqi woman?

Wrong question: the Iraqi people have the same rights as any human being. What they don't have is an environment in which they are permitted to act on those rights because they live under a vicious, dictatorial tyrant's rule.

Your question and several responses to it reveal the sad state of philosophical understanding of the concept of rights that is the standard today.

Interesting thoughts.

By this should I take it that you think the rights granted to us by the Constitution are meaningless though they might correspond with what could be considered the nature given rights of any human being?

I wouldn't disagree except that the rights granted by a government do set-up how a citizen functions within that given society. And society is a natural development of human evolution.

'Course anyone has the right to go against their govt. though any action can have consequences whether agreed with or not.


I would be interested in hearing more about just what freedoms the Iraqis have in their day to day life. Images I've gotten so far seem to be quite mixed from nearing that Western lifestyles to severe oppression.

 

[eagleyez]

Re: Re: Re: We can express our opinions; can an Iraqi? Especially an Iraqi woman?

Interesting thoughts.

By this should I take it that you think the rights granted to us by the Constitution are meaningless though they might correspond with what could be considered the nature given rights of any human being?

I wouldn't disagree except that the rights granted by a government do set-up how a citizen functions within that given society. And society is a natural development of human evolution.

'Course anyone has the right to go against their govt. though any action can have consequences whether agreed with or not.


I would be interested in hearing more about just what freedoms the Iraqis have in their day to day life. Images I've gotten so far seem to be quite mixed from nearing that Western lifestyles to severe oppression.

if they were truly free they would be immune from the babble that wastes time and skin here in this forum...

which thankully they are.

shortsighted self promotion in cyber spunkland
is nowhere near the rubber on the road...no heat no friction just labored breath...

fluff on cloudforms...

as big birds throwing shadows on our eyes
leave us helpless helpless helpless
babe hear me somehow...