Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[JaySecrets]

*chuckles*

I thought you were all about research and facts?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/well-developed-public-health-system

https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/

What people in Canada are complaining about, and rightly so, is the lack of primary care Doctors. Not that you have to leave Canada to get that care. As the BabyBoomer doctors are retiring, not enough Doctors are entering. This is a problem that will start hitting the US as well.

Myself I no longer have a dedicated primary care physician, so I have to use either a walk in clinic, or ER. Yes that is more of a pain in the ass than having a regular Doctor, but I still see one as needed.

The difference in patent outcomes between the two systems is negligible. The US does have slight edge in Cancer care, but that is all. The cost per-capital of the US system is the most expensive in the world. Yet it consistently ranks outside the top ten health care systems.

You stated we should do our own research and not take it from either the left or the right. Maybe start practising that, instead of taking what your Canadian freinds are telling you at face value.

What are the problems with Canada's healthcare system?



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[TH]Characteristic[/TH]
[TH]Percentage of respondents[/TH]
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[TD]Not enough staff[/TD]
[TD]63%[/TD]
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[TD]Access to treatment/long waiting times[/TD]
[TD]47%[/TD]
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[TD]Ageing population[/TD]
[TD]29%[/TD]
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[TD]Bureaucracy[/TD]
[TD]20%[/TD]
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[JaySecrets]

*chuckles*

I thought you were all about research and facts?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/well-developed-public-health-system

https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/

What people in Canada are complaining about, and rightly so, is the lack of primary care Doctors. Not that you have to leave Canada to get that care. As the BabyBoomer doctors are retiring, not enough Doctors are entering. This is a problem that will start hitting the US as well.

Myself I no longer have a dedicated primary care physician, so I have to use either a walk in clinic, or ER. Yes that is more of a pain in the ass than having a regular Doctor, but I still see one as needed.

The difference in patent outcomes between the two systems is negligible. The US does have slight edge in Cancer care, but that is all. The cost per-capital of the US system is the most expensive in the world. Yet it consistently ranks outside the top ten health care systems.

You stated we should do our own research and not take it from either the left or the right. Maybe start practising that, instead of taking what your Canadian freinds are telling you at face value.

If you are old in Canada, The likelihood of you getting a surgery or getting actual good medical care is slim. Because they consider the old to have no value to add to society on that level and what limited resources they have they give to the ones that they'll get the most "bang for their buck" out of. In Canada it really is for the old. Here's some pain medication. Hurry up and die. And this is something that has been consistently being laid out and stated from multiple people across Canada.

The reason they have such serious problems with staffing is because nobody wants to work at such low pay as the government is going to pay for medical care when they have medical bills and they worked hard to get the skills and develop the skills that they have as doctors.

And it's funny that many of those doctors actually come across the border to the United States to get their health care.

And the reason healthcare is so expensive in America is expressively because the government has gotten in the middle of it. Between the government imposing more and more of itself in industries, they have no business touching because they're not designed for it, and the cost of having a middleman, read insurance company there, instead of negotiating and talking directly with the hospital or the doctor to work out a payment plan, it's bureaucracies and government that has made the cost of care go up. Just like the cost of care has gone up and the care has gotten worse in Canada for the same reasons.

 

[coati]

So, JaySecrets has given us another complete profile of an Amerikan gun nut.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

And I did not say they did it too... I said the Democrat party were the only ones that did it. The Republicans opposed slavery and opposed segregation and opposed Jim Crow and opposed all this racist crap from the get-go and still continue to do so. It's always been the Democrats who have been the racist and the slave owners and the killers and the eugenics pushers. Always been the Democrats who have been the villains and the vile people who do this.

Not the Republicans.

Your whole premise is wrong. And if you hate America so much. You hate is founding and its premise. If you hate this country so badly that you have to sit there and twist facts to try to make them fit your narrative, then by all means go move to Canada... But I have Canadian friends that I talk to regularly who openly State they wish they could come to the United States because they can't even get basic medical treatment in Canada. So be careful what you wish for. Oh and Kevin Trudeau, your Canadian prime Minister was caught doing blackface. He's yet another racist liberal. Please don't try to project your racism as Democrats onto the Republicans. Black community is seeing right through it and that's why there's an exodus from the black to leave the Democrat party and vote Republican.

You are deluded and full of shit. Canadians do not want American healthcare. As for the other shit you wrote, you are twisting history. America was built on slave labour.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

If you are old in Canada, The likelihood of you getting a surgery or getting actual good medical care is slim. Because they consider the old to have no value to add to society on that level and what limited resources they have they give to the ones that they'll get the most "bang for their buck" out of. In Canada it really is for the old. Here's some pain medication. Hurry up and die. And this is something that has been consistently being laid out and stated from multiple people across Canada.

The reason they have such serious problems with staffing is because nobody wants to work at such low pay as the government is going to pay for medical care when they have medical bills and they worked hard to get the skills and develop the skills that they have as doctors.

And it's funny that many of those doctors actually come across the border to the United States to get their health care.

And the reason healthcare is so expensive in America is expressively because the government has gotten in the middle of it. Between the government imposing more and more of itself in industries, they have no business touching because they're not designed for it, and the cost of having a middleman, read insurance company there, instead of negotiating and talking directly with the hospital or the doctor to work out a payment plan, it's bureaucracies and government that has made the cost of care go up. Just like the cost of care has gone up and the care has gotten worse in Canada for the same reasons.

Wow, what a moron.lol

 

[JaySecrets]

So, JaySecrets has given us another complete profile of an Amerikan gun nut.

And you have given me an example of someone who isa very likely to have warn a button saying proudly unarmed... Translation: Please Rob Me!

Look, The states that have the least restrictive gun laws have the lowest problem with gun violence, and The only exceptions there are the specific counties or cities that inside those states decide they're going to impose stricter gun laws. This may surprise you, but someone who is a criminal or someone who is intent on killing or harming somebody, doesn't care about gun laws. They are going to get a gun regardless if they want one. So if you choose to disarm yourself in a world where that puts you at risk, go ahead. I think you're crazy to do it but go ahead. On the other hand, don't be so naive or non-thinking as to criticize those who decide that they are going to be armed, both for personal safety, and because they want the government to be very scared of what they can do if the government becomes tyrannical. Kind of like what the second amendment was put in place for to begin with.

 

[JaySecrets]

I suspect that the early Christian church was more an anarcho-syndicalist commune, "commune" meaning "community." it was also illegal for nearly its first 300 years of existence, and it really didn't get to be mouthy until it became legal and accepted. Not long after, they held a meeting and kicked out everyone they didn't like.


They did that again 700 years later.


Money and power. Fucks up everything, in time.

What you suspect about the early Christian Church simply isn't true. We know that because we have the writings and the communications and all kinds of other information directly available to us from the interactions between the people involved in the early Christian church in its first 300 years.

Yes you are absolutely right that money and power started messing with at least the name of Christianity when the Roman system, cuz they couldn't actually crush the Christians out, coopted the name and put pagan iconery and practices to Christian terminology. You would be right to say that the Roman Catholic iteration of Christianity is nothing more than a pagan system renamed.

But that really wasn't the history of the church. That was the history of the Catholic church at that point, and Catholic Church went on to kill many of the Christians who would not join the Catholic church.

But that's off of your main point. The fact is we know both from the book of Acts and from some of the things that you would see Paul or other writers of the New testament say two people and the churches, as well as from letters between pastors of churches and... The manuscript evidence is abundant... That there is not some communal pseudo socialistic thing happening within the early church. That's just historically inaccurate.

 

[coati]

As Rocky and Bullwinkle used to say, "Here's Mr. KNOW-IT-ALL!"

 

[JaySecrets]

Wow, what a moron.l

You are deluded and full of shit. Canadians do not want American healthcare. As for the other shit you wrote, you are twisting history. America was built on slave labour.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care


As for the second part of your statement, aside from pointing you to men who actually know what they're talking about like Thomas Sowell, and pointing you to the history of where the actual slavers went in the North American continent when they brought their slave ships in (The great majority were being sold into the South American colonies, not the American South), and pointing you to the laws written in States like Virginia that were Southern slave owning states, that outlawed the sale of slaves from slave ships because they were trying to find a way to reduce and end slavery... Aside from that I'm not going to go into that because all you did was quote a liberal trope there and I've already made it clear where I'm at. I'm bumper sticker politics.

But do read that article. It's from the US news and world report, and that is not a conservative magazine by any means. And it actually reports on the major problem of the Canadian healthcare system and the major issue of Canadians crossing the border to use the American health Care system. It also tells the ranking of your Canadian healthcare system on the world scale.

Like I said I do my homework.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care


As for the second part of your statement, aside from pointing you to men who actually know what they're talking about like Thomas Sowell, and pointing you to the history of where the actual slavers went in the North American continent when they brought their slave ships in (The great majority were being sold into the South American colonies, not the American South), and pointing you to the laws written in States like Virginia that were Southern slave owning states, that outlawed the sale of slaves from slave ships because they were trying to find a way to reduce and end slavery... Aside from that I'm not going to go into that because all you did was quote a liberal trope there and I've already made it clear where I'm at. I'm bumper sticker politics.

But do read that article. It's from the US news and world report, and that is not a conservative magazine by any means. And it actually reports on the major problem of the Canadian healthcare system and the major issue of Canadians crossing the border to use the American health Care system. It also tells the ranking of your Canadian healthcare system on the world scale.

Like I said I do my homework.

I can do that too. I do my homework.

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Some living in U.S. eye Canada for health care, but not everybody can get in​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...hcare-costs-medical-inadmissibility-1.5607594

You are the typical delusional American retard.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Each year, millions of US residents travel to another country for medical care which is called medical tourism. Medical tourists from the United States most commonly travel to Mexico and Canada, and to several other countries in Central America, South America, and the Caribbean.

I do my homework...derp

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/medical-tourism

 

[JaySecrets]

I can do that too. I do my homework.

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Some living in U.S. eye Canada for health care, but not everybody can get in​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...hcare-costs-medical-inadmissibility-1.5607594

You are the typical delusional American retard.

I'm not saying that healthcare isn't way overpriced in America. It absolutely is. What I'm saying is that it got that way because the same principles of socialized medicine, at least some of them, crept their way into the American system and started driving the costs up. Medicare, Medicaid, health insurance bureaucracy... when the reality is it used to be you didn't need to have health insurance, you could just work out a payment plan with your doctor and actually get a lower cost (And I know this because we were dirt poor growing up, and I had a major medical emergency and this is how my parents paid it with the hospital and paid less than those who pay with insurance)... All of this, on top of a litigation society that can get by with suing a doctor if he somehow misses in your prostate checkup, that you have cancer in your left toe, which means now that doctor has to do a bunch of exams that cost a lot of money that you don't want to pay for that you don't need necessarily... But he has to do that to cover his own ass... All of this has made American healthcare expensive. And yes the drug companies do have a major hold on the markets and drive cost up. There are actually private sector and sane legislative

 

[JaySecrets]

I'm not saying that healthcare isn't way overpriced in America. It absolutely is. What I'm saying is that it got that way because the same principles of socialized medicine, at least some of them, crept their way into the American system and started driving the costs up. Medicare, Medicaid, health insurance bureaucracy... when the reality is it used to be you didn't need to have health insurance, you could just work out a payment plan with your doctor and actually get a lower cost (And I know this because we were dirt poor growing up, and I had a major medical emergency and this is how my parents paid it with the hospital and paid less than those who pay with insurance)... All of this, on top of a litigation society that can get by with suing a doctor if he somehow misses in your prostate checkup, that you have cancer in your left toe, which means now that doctor has to do a bunch of exams that cost a lot of money that you don't want to pay for that you don't need necessarily... But he has to do that to cover his own ass... All of this has made American healthcare expensive. And yes the drug companies do have a major hold on the markets and drive cost up. There are actually private sector and sane legislative

Sorry, cut myself off there.
legislative solutions for that. But that's the reason American healthcare is expensive. It's the imposing of bureaucracy and a government that was never designed to handle healthcare, to a healthcare system that then becomes overloaded because of all of the government interference and bureaucratic interference.

Kind of like the Canadian system and why it's crashing down.

 

[TinyTemptress]

Hello my people,and to those that oppose the 2nd amendment,have fun talking about your small penis fetish.

 

[JaySecrets]

Hello my people,and to those that oppose the 2nd amendment,have fun talking about your small penis fetish.

See this is what I'm talking about. You can't give a coherent argument against having the freedom to have the weapons you choose, nor do you bother getting to know the people who have the weapons and why they buy them. So you just come up with some little dig, quote a bumper sticker, and say you've done your job.

Do you know what one of the biggest parts of the population is that is buying more guns now. Single women who feel less safe in their liberal cities, and are buying handguns for protection. Gun ranges are seen more and more women come to their ranges because they want to be able to defend themselves and they don't believe they're going to get the defense they need from their governments and government agencies who are being paid to police.

And again, remember that all of that isn't even the purpose for the second amendment. It's about being able to overthrow the government if it becomes tyrannical and to replace it with a constitutional government again. That was the founders expressed purpose... A government should be terrified of it's people, not the other way around.

Read the history of the Nazi takeover in Austria and Poland. The national socialist party moved in politically, got people to vote for gun laws for very similar reasons as people seem to want to vote for them today, they got the list of who had the guns, then they came and took the guns away, and the people were unable to defend themselves when the military rolled in. This is how socialist regimes take over by force.

So if you like Liberty, hey, you don't have to own a gun, but you might not want to annoy the people who do like and own guns. When the military rolls into town to take your liberty away, those people are your last line of defense.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Still looking at that shotgun.


It was said previously that firearms are a waste of money. The bumper sticker statement is that there are two things that damage firearms: corrosion and politicians. A house fire would, I suppose, be a kind of corrosion (oxidation) in this case. Barring either of those, a purchase of a good (or better) quality firearm is safe. Ammunition is (or should be) likewise as it lasts for decades. Shooting it destroys that, but as long as it sits, it's safe.


Here's an article with some ideas about firearms as investments:


https://www.firearmsnews.com/editor...u really don't buy,also offer a decent return.

 

[coati]

And again, remember that all of that isn't even the purpose for the second amendment. It's about being able to overthrow the government if it becomes tyrannical and to replace it with a constitutional government again. That was the founders expressed purpose... A government should be terrified of it's people, not the other way

So if you like Liberty, hey, you don't have to own a gun, but you might not want to annoy the people who do like and own guns. When the military rolls into town to take your liberty away, those people are your last line of defense.

^^^What a pile of BS talking points from MAGA central. In 2020 we had a government that wanted to override the election results, and the right-wing gun nuts supported that autocratic movement. So we kicked that autocrat out of office anyway.

Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi simply said "fuck you" to the insurrectionists and certified the damned election.

It's the armed civilians advocating for tyranny who are the problem.

 

[Chobham]

^^^What a pile of BS talking points from MAGA central. In 2020 we had a government that wanted to override the election results, and the right-wing gun nuts supported that autocratic movement. So we kicked that autocrat out of office anyway.

Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi simply said "fuck you" to the insurrectionists and certified the damned election.

It's the armed civilians advocating for tyranny who are the problem.

You are so full of shit it's not even amusing.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Motherfucker, this is just another Saturday for us . . . .

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If you are old in Canada, The likelihood of you getting a surgery or getting actual good medical care is slim.

Not true, I'm old, have health issues and even without a primary care physician, I've had no issues with either my heart issue or neurological CCM

Because they consider the old to have no value to add to society on that level and what limited resources they have they give to the ones that they'll get the most "bang for their buck" out of. In Canada it really is for the old. Here's some pain medication. Hurry up and die. And this is something that has been consistently being laid out and stated from multiple people across Canada.

lol you're an idiot if you think this, and judging from your previous posts and opinions I'm not sure I am wrong. Please give me a citation for this, otherwise I'm going with my gut on you about this.

The reason they have such serious problems with staffing is because nobody wants to work at such low pay as the government is going to pay for medical care when they have medical bills and they worked hard to get the skills and develop the skills that they have as doctors.

As I mentioned, we have a shortage of staff due to retirement, and burn out. American hospitals snap up our nurses since they are better trained than the American counterparts. True to a minor extent as well with Physicians. So there is a wage disparity, but it's a supply and demand situation, and the US system is private and is willing pay more, because they can bill more.

I don't blame someone taking a higher paying job, after they've spent the time in our system paying back the 3/4 of a million dollars us Canadian tax payers shelled out for their MD.

There are no "medical bills" we have single payer healthcare. So while some procedures are not covered, such as non debilitating plastic surgery, all urgent care like cancer is free.

And it's funny that many of those doctors actually come across the border to the United States to get their health care.

Sure get me an example.

I'll give you one of an American coming to Canada for surgery, Rand Paul. Not to mention the tens of thousands of Americans who cross the border for prescription drugs. ( Canada is home to 3 of the top ten hospitals by ranking in the world)

On top of that, there are several Canadian doctors working part time at the Mayo clinic in Minnesota, yet they still have their local practice as well. I see nothing wrong with that, but if American Doctors are at the top, why the hell would the best clinic in the US hire out to our poorly trained Physicians. Not to mention the first robotic heart surgery that was pioneered in Hamilton Ontario, and then introduced in the US system.

And the reason healthcare is so expensive in America is expressively because the government has gotten in the middle of it. Between the government imposing more and more of itself in industries, they have no business touching because they're not designed for it, and the cost of having a middleman, read insurance company there, instead of negotiating and talking directly with the hospital or the doctor to work out a payment plan, it's bureaucracies and government that has made the cost of care go up. Just like the cost of care has gone up and the care has gotten worse in Canada for the same reasons.

The reason your healthcare is so expensive is because your government hasn't got in the middle of it. Are you going to deny that your healthcare system isn't about profit? The Doctors, the Hospitals the Emergency Transportation industry, Insurance companies, I could go on, but I'd rather see your response. Perhaps this time, you'll do a little research and come up with some citations that show the prevalence, not just the one offs of what you have claimed happens in our Healthcare system. Which is ranked higher on patient outcomes than your system is, btw.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

 

[coati]

You are so full of shit it's not even amusing.

^^^Poor pathetic MAGAt gun nuts. They get so upset whenever someone points out that they are actually arming themselves to establish tyranny, not fight tyranny.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I think that I shall mess with the carbine a bit today. Regular maintenance is necessary to insure proper function, and this 80 year old rifle has probably had a few decades of regular neglect.


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[Chobham]

No doubt. I little TLC from time to time never hurts.