Wait. I must be missing something here.

[Adre]

Now you're all arguing semantics and minor definition differences, when the original point was more about mittens not having any fucking idea about average Americans or their financial conditions. And most truly rich people don't. WHy would they?

And for the record, I am an early retired guy at the top of upper middle class I suppose.

 

[Adre]

and Obama does?

I did not mention Obama

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I did not mention Obama

Why not? Selective partisan BS get it the way?

 

[Adre]

Why not? Selective partisan BS get it the way?

No, douchebag. The original post referenced Romney only.

 

[Adre]

And if you weren't so busy bragging about how much dough you make you might have noticed. So fuck off.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

And if you weren't so busy bragging about how much dough you make you might have noticed. So fuck off.

and if you were not such a blind partisan tool you would have noticed I called out the OP for bitching about something Romney said when Obama and all of the democrats have been saying it for years...

But way to keep those blinders on!!!

 

[Busybody]

and if you were not such a blind partisan tool you would have noticed I called out the OP for bitching about something Romney said when Obama and all of the democrats have been saying it for years...

But way to keep those blinders on!!!

you are arguing with A DRECK, aka DOOFUS II?


DUMMY

 

[piccicatopolka]

Sometimes "view post" just makes me laugh my ass off.

If you think that 200 - 250K per year is "middle income" then you're as out of touch and moronic as Romney. This was Pereg's point.

Being middle class used to mean having a reliable job with fair pay; access to health care; a safe and stable home; the opportunity to provide a good education for one’s children, including a college education; time off work for vacations and major life events; and the security of looking forward to a dignified retirement. The existing middle class is squeezed and many of those striving to attain the middle-class standard find it out of reach.

By those older standards I'm "lower-middle-class" but I'm lucky if I break 50k per year. A lot of my retirement is dependent in inheritance.

 

[Adre]

and if you were not such a blind partisan tool you would have noticed I called out the OP for bitching about something Romney said when Obama and all of the democrats have been saying it for years...

But way to keep those blinders on!!!

Go post another picture of your cool car.

 

[MonaLittle]

I haven't made that much in my entire working life, I don't think, let alone in a year.

From the link:

According to a 2009 Tax Policy Center study of income distributions, earners making $180,000 and more are in the top 5 percent of the population.

The study: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=330

I find this hard to believe.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Why not? Selective partisan BS get it the way?

No, Ishspawn, the simple fact of the matter is that President Obama's empathy for lower income Americans and middle class Americans has never been seriously questioned...except by you, of course.

Most of the time, though, you and your kind are bellowing "class warfare! Wealth envy!" and related hoo-ha when President Obama proposes rescinding the Bush tax cuts on those making more than $250K per year.

 

[Adre]

Why not? Selective partisan BS get it the way?

And I'll remind you that this was your post to me...and I had never even addressed you!

 

[Wrong Element]

It is not as easy as taking the median salary. You have to consider the life style available at the income you make.

Even Obama defines middle class as family's making below 250k.

I think you're on to something with that comment. If you make $250,000 a year, but you have two SUVs and you take a major vacation every year and you're paying for private schools and maybe a college tuition, you may be thinking to yourself, "If I'm so goddamn rich, how come there's nothing in my bank account?" But those "necessities" are things that most Americans can't even begin to contemplate having.

Sociologists have known for decades that almost all Americans like to themselves as "middle class"--those that are too poor to qualify, and those who are too rich.

An income that puts you in the top 2% of all Americans might not make you "rich," but it is not a middle class income by definition. You wouldn't say someone who is in the top 2% of IQ is of "average" intelligence, would you?

 

[Peregrinator]

Well, yeah, Bush was almost as much of a liberal as Obama is. And George II grew up with a solid fucking platinum spoon firmly up his ass.

Willard has absolutely no idea how the vast majority of Americans live. That is, indeed, the point of the thread.

Obama's net worth is 11.8 million.

He was born in 1961, so he became of working age in 1978, more or less. 2012-1978=33 working years.

Net worth 11.8 million divided by 33 is 357 575.757576.

Is he rich?

 

[Peregrinator]

I find this hard to believe.

Which part of the post?

 

[MonaLittle]

Which part of the post?

I haven't made that much in my entire working life, I don't think, let alone in a year.


That part.
How much are you referring to and how long have you held a job?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Well, yeah, Bush was almost as much of a liberal as Obama is. And George II grew up with a solid fucking platinum spoon firmly up his ass.

Willard has absolutely no idea how the vast majority of Americans live. That is, indeed, the point of the thread.

Obama's net worth is 11.8 million.

He was born in 1961, so he became of working age in 1978, more or less. 2012-1978=33 working years.

Net worth 11.8 million divided by 33 is 357 575.757576.

Is he rich?

You do get that even playing along with your silly math that would mean he would have had an extra 357k a year to save right?

Yes, he is rich.

 

[koalabear]

I thought you weren't a fan. But that looks more concealable than my PPK...though a similar design?


I like what Massad Ayoob said about it...some experts will tell you it's barely adequate and others will tell you it's barely inadequate. I'm no expert, but I know I can pretty reliably make holes in shit at common self-defense ranges with mine. I really can't ask a whole lot more of a small concealable handgun.

Fits nicely in my front pocket. Shot placement makes a difference, if that fails I have 5 more rounds to use.

 

[Peregrinator]

I haven't made that much in my entire working life, I don't think, let alone in a year.


That part.
How much are you referring to. And how long have you held a job?

250k. Now that I think about it, that statement is probably factually incorrect, but it's not too far off. I worked for five years at a job that paid 24k. I worked at a job for five years before that that iirc paid something like $10/hr. I've worked part time for several years now at various gigs that pay in the neighborhood of either $10/hr or $130/day.

I guess your point is fairly valid though; I could have been making quite a bit more than that. I chose to reduce cost instead. I make no bones about that; I feel quite wealthy for a large variety of reasons.

 

[Peregrinator]

You do get that even playing along with your silly math that would mean he would have had an extra 357k a year to save right?

Yes, he is rich.

Has he always been rich, though? There's a difference between being so fucking minted from birth that you can mistake 250k for middle class and having lived poor and then made money.

Fits nicely in my front pocket. Shot placement makes a difference, if that fails I have 5 more rounds to use.

Right, of course. Is it a similar design? Fixed barrel, double to single action?

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Who you guys kidding?

You fuckers have no class.

 

[koalabear]

Has he always been rich, though? There's a difference between being so fucking minted from birth that you can mistake 250k for middle class and having lived poor and then made money.


Right, of course. Is it a similar design? Fixed barrel, double to single action?

Single, mini 1911 without the grip safety.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I just want to check and make sure that you mean Renaud and not renard_ruse.

Both actually.....

and I said that 250K (family) is upper middle class......... I would put upper middle class at 180 to 250. But my point is you can not use a national average to make this call on a grand scale. It simply does not work. Their are too many qualitative and quantitative variables.......

Yes you can...when a nations "middle class" only makes up a tiny fraction of the population you can't call it middle class. That is called rationalizing bullshit with arbitrary yard sticks "you aren't rich unless you make more than X amount" so sayz WHO?. If you are financially better off than 90% of the population.....you are not middle class you are rich.

I thought you weren't a fan. But that looks more concealable than my PPK...though a similar design?


I like what Massad Ayoob said about it...some experts will tell you it's barely adequate and others will tell you it's barely inadequate. I'm no expert, but I know I can pretty reliably make holes in shit at common self-defense ranges with mine. I really can't ask a whole lot more of a small concealable handgun.

I want the Sig P232...and yup, it will punch holes.....I just want it for plinking/girls that I take shooting etc. as an oddity/fun pistol.

My G30SF is small enough for carry... not really trippin' about stopping power

I wasted money on a LCP, wish I had seen that one sooner.

Never shot one...but thanks for the warning.

 

[MonaLittle]

250k. Now that I think about it, that statement is probably factually incorrect, but it's not too far off. I worked for five years at a job that paid 24k. I worked at a job for five years before that that iirc paid something like $10/hr. I've worked part time for several years now at various gigs that pay in the neighborhood of either $10/hr or $130/day.

I guess your point is fairly valid though; I could have been making quite a bit more than that. I chose to reduce cost instead. I make no bones about that; I feel quite wealthy for a large variety of reasons.

Yes, your "arithmetic" was off. Just between the two 5 yr jobs, you've made almost 300K. That does not include the various jobs for the past several years at $10 an hour. From what I can tell, between all the jobs you've listed, you have made close to 1/2 million already.

But whose counting.

 

[rosco rathbone]

What's really going on here is that for Americans, "middle class" means "salt of the earth, good values, churchgoing, family type people".


Going strictly by the numbers of course, that income level puts you way above the middle.

But a lot of people who make that kind of money don't want to think of themselves as "rich". I grew up around those people in exurban Virginia. McMansion, 3 cars, pool, but they chainsaw their own firewood for the decorative woodburning stove and maybe do some hunting. One of the cars is a pickup truck. That's your teapublican base right there.