Violence against women campaign? Why not violence against anyone campaign?

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So, we're only supposed to care about one form of criminal violence? :confused:

When I wrote these words 20 years ago this week, I didn’t think they would launch a world-wide campaign. After all, at the time it seemed unusual, if not totally bizarre, to imagine that men not only should but could play a key role in ending men’s violence against women...

http://www.michaelkaufman.com/2011/...-years-working-to-end-violence-against-women/

Don't get me wrong, I'm a traditionalist and a romantic. I don't believe its ever ok for men to physically hit or harm a woman unless its self-defense, to protect someone else in eminent danger of potentially fatal violence, or in a war in which the woman has taken up arms against you or your country (in which case, ideally, both sides would agree that only men would take part but sadly, the feminazi's seem to want them involved now). I believe in the old honor code of the playground, that if you hit a girl you are the lowest pussy boy on the playground. That said, the problem with these campaigns is that they feed into the Big Lie that one sex has it worse in life than the other and there is some pervasive male patriarchy that constantly uses and abuses females (and only females).

Look at the names involved in starting this campaign:

Three of us, Jack Layton, Ron Sluser and I, came up with the idea for this campaign but we were quickly joined by several dozen other men in a handful of Canadian cities on time for our late November launch in 1991.

Jack Layton was a lifelong socialist politician and union hack, who himself was caught going to prostitutes.

There's a reason Jack Layton and other socialists emphasize only certain forms of criminal violence. Its because they divide people into groups and pit them against each other so they can win elections. Its their thing, politically. The fact that there is far more male on male violence and male on male crime, than male on female, and by a wide margin, they won't tell you. No, because its about a narrative of some sort of all pervasive "oppression" of this group or that group which helps them get elected. Layton is dead, and its time for this stupid campaign to be buried with him.

Lets have an anti-violence against anyone campaign instead.
 
You are the worst troll-that-looks-like-a-fox ever in the history of Lit.
 
So, we're only supposed to care about one form of criminal violence? :confused:



Don't get me wrong, I'm a traditionalist and a romantic. I don't believe its ever ok for men to physically hit or harm a woman unless its self-defense, to protect someone else in eminent danger of potentially fatal violence, or in a war in which the woman has taken up arms against you or your country (in which case, ideally, both sides would agree that only men would take part but sadly, the feminazi's seem to want them involved now). I believe in the old honor code of the playground, that if you hit a girl you are the lowest pussy boy on the playground. That said, the problem with these campaigns is that they feed into the Big Lie that one sex has it worse in life than the other and there is some pervasive male patriarchy that constantly uses and abuses females (and only females).

Look at the names involved in starting this campaign:



Jack Layton was a lifelong socialist politician and union hack, who himself was caught going to prostitutes.

There's a reason Jack Layton and other socialists emphasize only certain forms of criminal violence. Its because they divide people into groups and pit them against each other so they can win elections. Its their thing, politically. The fact that there is far more male on male violence and male on male crime, than male on female, and by a wide margin, they won't tell you. No, because its about a narrative of some sort of all pervasive "oppression" of this group or that group which helps them get elected. Layton is dead, and its time for this stupid campaign to be buried with him.

Lets have an anti-violence against anyone campaign instead.

Same reason you have hate crimes, where are the love crimes!!!!
 
I'm...a romantic.

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Thanks for shining that light on Layton rr. Sorta liked that old time dyed in the wool ccf muthafucka myself. And to find out this about him is like an angle peeing on history. Makin' it even better than I thought it was.
 
My mother told me to never hit a lady. That means it's open season on face-punching most broads.
 
So, we're only supposed to care about one form of criminal violence? :confused:



Don't get me wrong, I'm a traditionalist and a romantic. I don't believe its ever ok for men to physically hit or harm a woman unless its self-defense, to protect someone else in eminent danger of potentially fatal violence, or in a war in which the woman has taken up arms against you or your country (in which case, ideally, both sides would agree that only men would take part but sadly, the feminazi's seem to want them involved now). I believe in the old honor code of the playground, that if you hit a girl you are the lowest pussy boy on the playground. That said, the problem with these campaigns is that they feed into the Big Lie that one sex has it worse in life than the other and there is some pervasive male patriarchy that constantly uses and abuses females (and only females).

Look at the names involved in starting this campaign:



Jack Layton was a lifelong socialist politician and union hack, who himself was caught going to prostitutes.

There's a reason Jack Layton and other socialists emphasize only certain forms of criminal violence. Its because they divide people into groups and pit them against each other so they can win elections. Its their thing, politically. The fact that there is far more male on male violence and male on male crime, than male on female, and by a wide margin, they won't tell you. No, because its about a narrative of some sort of all pervasive "oppression" of this group or that group which helps them get elected. Layton is dead, and its time for this stupid campaign to be buried with him.

Lets have an anti-violence against anyone campaign instead.

You'd be absolutely right... if you knew what you were talking about

male on male violnce is a horrible epidemic and should be stopped, I can't agree more

but you fail to note that the vast majority of women who are victims of violence are so because men are the perpetrators

that's why there are campaigns against violence against women

if there were just as many female on female acts of violence, there wouldnt be campaigns to end violence against women.. there would be just campaigns to end violence

but when one demographic is targeted by another.. then you have issues

let me help break this down


3 women and 1 man are murdered every day by their domestic partner

that in ofitself shows a major discrepancy and hole in your thesis

that's not to say men arent victims

here's further reading in that regard

http://dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

just because you dont know something, doesnt make it not true
 
but when one demographic is targeted by another.. then you have issues

3 women and 1 man are murdered every day by their domestic partner

Sounds like women need to get to the gym or learn how to shank a mother fucker. Or quit dating abusive douche bag's.

that's not to say men aren't victims

We just care less b/c guys should just "Suck it up and deal." right?
 
Sounds like women need to get to the gym or learn how to shank a mother fucker. Or quit dating abusive douche bag's.



We just care less b/c guys should just "Suck it up and deal." right?

so tough chicks and tough guys dont get beaten by their partners? that's exactly the kind of thinking that prevents male victims from coming forward... congratulations on contributing to the problem


and no, that's not what I said

I think they should come forward.. you've already implied if they arent tough its their fault


i think men definitely should, if they just stop listening to people like you

as for the women thing.. lets put it in persepctive


the guy on your right gets his place burglarized, the guy on your left gets burglarized 3 times

who do you think is being targeted?


I will gladly jump on the men's rights bandwagon and decry women getting so much attention the day there are as many women on male killers, women on men abusers, women on men rapists... but since that day is a LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGG way away.. I will continue to point out reality, much to LT's consternation
 
Sounds like women need to get to the gym or learn how to shank a mother fucker. Or quit dating abusive douche bag's.



We just care less b/c guys should just "Suck it up and deal." right?

My daughters are 23/20.

The oldest achieved her black belt in Kenpo when she was 19 the youngest got hers this year.

I bought them both H&K 45 compacts and taught them how to shoot. I also taught them if someone breaks in their is no "winging, maiming, and certainly no warning shot" you aim at the chest and fire until the magazine is empty.

Two years ago my younger daughters d-bag boyfriend swung at her. She broke his wrist, cheekbone and nose.

One of the prouder days of my life.

Those are my daughters, but I have other "girls" I've been involved in martial arts for 30 years and teach self defense courses at a shelter for abused women. And teach them to play for keeps

I had a father that used my mother(and me) for a punching bag and a bunch of uncles who did the same.

My sister was raped 25 years ago when I was twenty and when the court let the asshat go, I ended up in the joint for two years for breaking a dozen bones in his body.

To this day, I hate a certain type of man. In fact I fucking loathe them.

I have no issue with saying that many of the men in India and most of the middle east should simply have their balls cut off, their throats slit and be fed to starving dogs.

I get great satisfaction out of teaching many of women how to not just defend themselves, but flat out cripple someone.

And anytime I have ever seen some prick swearing at his girl or treating her like shit so he can look "cool" in the bars I wander over and deliberately start shit with them.

Quick question, how many do you think give me shit back?

Not many. Any man that hits or even gets off on verbally abusing a woman is the most spineless gutless sack of crap on two legs and none of them want to hit something that hits back.

Just so you know? I'm all of 5'8" and 172 pounds. very intimidating:rolleyes:

No man that hits a woman is a man and as for you assholes whining what about us guys? what about you? When was the last time a male relative or friend called and told you "my woman is beating me!"

When was the last high school by who was slipped a rufie and date raped by 4 girls?

Give me a fucking break.So yeah suck it up ass wipe.
 
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Sounds like women need to get to the gym or learn how to shank a mother fucker. Or quit dating abusive douche bag's

Just a separate post to say oh, really? That easy huh?

Just proves you have no clue about real life outside of the internet.

Also proves you need your face slammed into the concrete a couple of times.

Too bad you didn't live near me, I'd let my daughter kick your ass.
 
You know... not for nothing, but you are significantly more likely to be a victim of violent crime if you're a guy.

http://menshealth.about.com/od/lifestyle/a/crime_victims.htm

About three times more likely to get the shit beat out of you and twice as likely to be murdered.
Question is, which men and why?

I'm willing to bet that in most cases it's the same men that are likely to get beat up that are likely to do the beating-up. I.e idiots who get into fights.
 
Question is, which men and why?

Mostly drug dealers, drug runners, thugs, thieves, and others who live on the south side of the law. The same people who are used to skew most gun, crime, violence toward, poverty, imprisonment, and many other statistics for political purposes.
 
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