Video Game Addicts: The AMA feels your pain!

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Marathon video game sessions: Is that sick?

Dave Taylor always knew his lust for playing "Fallout" and "Total Annihilation" bordered on the pathological. The video games would hold the West Hollywood software programmer in such a vise-like grip that he'd often play for 24-hour stretches, forestalling sleep, skipping meals and twisting himself in knots to delay bathroom breaks.

"It's super unhealthy," he said. "But man, I'm just so swept away in another world and so focused on my goals that I don't care. It hurts to be away from the game."

Now some doctors are lobbying to give his condition a formal medical diagnosis — video game addiction.

The American Medical Assn. is scheduled to debate such a proposal in Chicago on Sunday, then vote on it early next week. Backed by the Maryland State Medical Society, the proposal advocates that the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, considered by many psychiatrists to be the final word for assessing mental illness, include video game addiction. The proposal also would have doctors exhort parents to curb their children's use of the Internet, television and video games to two hours a day. In addition, it would have the AMA, the influential physician organization with 250,000 members, lobby the Federal Trade Commission to improve the current system for rating video game content.

Getting the AMA to deem video game addiction a psychiatric disorder is the first step in a long process required to create a new mental health diagnosis. The ultimate arbiter is the American Psychiatric Assn., which publishes the authoritative DSM guide on mental disorders, currently in its fourth version. Getting APA approval could take years.

Executives in the $30-billion game industry are already on the defensive. They say the measures are not supported by scientific evidence. "The American Medical Assn. is making premature conclusions without the benefit of complete and thorough data," said Michael Gallagher, president of the Entertainment Software Assn., a trade group that represents video game publishers. But doctors in favor of the proposal say the condition exists and needs to be recognized by the medical establishment so it can be properly treated.

It's already happening in South Korea. In 2005, government officials there sent psychologists into Internet gaming cafes to warn players of addiction dangers after a man died of heart failure brought on by exhaustion and dehydration after a 50-hour binge playing "World of Warcraft." A spokesman for Blizzard Entertainment, the game's Irvine-based creator, declined to comment on the case.

Physicians in the U.S. are concerned about the exposure children have to media violence, particularly in a medium as engaging as games. They're also alarmed by the growing popularity of risque fare such as "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" and "Manhunt 2." The latter, which features a mentally ill patient on a killing spree, was recently banned for sale in Britain and Ireland, with officials citing "unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone." In the U.S., the game received an "Adults Only" rating from the Entertainment Software Rating Board, a designation that would make the title unavailable at major retailers including Wal-Mart Stores Inc., which refuses to carry adult titles.

Take-Two Interactive Software Inc., the game's New York-based publisher, said Thursday that it was temporarily suspending the game's release, which had been planned for July 10.

But addiction also can be triggered by casual games that don't involve anything more frightening than a "game over" message, said Maressa Hecht Orzack, director of the Addiction Studies Center at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass., and an assistant clinical professor at Harvard Medical School. Orzack diagnosed herself as being addicted to solitaire in 1995. Her late husband would find Orzack draped over her keyboard, fast asleep in the middle of a game. Lacking sleep, she sometimes turned up late for her appointments or missed them altogether.

Now Orzack, a clinical psychologist, treats half a dozen patients for video game addiction and fields a dozen requests each day from other people seeking treatment. "They're desperate for help," Orzack said. "They drop out of school. They lose their jobs. They don't get to meals. Often, they lose sleep because they're up late playing games. They also jeopardize their relationships with their family and friends. It can get so out of control."

Liz Woolley started to see some of these symptoms in her son, Shawn, when he started playing an online multiplayer game called "EverQuest," which players jokingly call "EverCrack." As her son became increasingly involved with the game, he started withdrawing from his friends and family.

Shocked by the transformation, Woolley, of Harrisburg, Pa., tried to get help for her son. She was disappointed when the psychiatrists he saw treated him for depression, not addiction. "It's like trying to treat someone for depression when he's a full-blown alcoholic and you're not trying to get him to stop drinking," Woolley said.

Her son killed himself with a rifle in 2002, two days before Thanksgiving. His mother found him in front of his computer with the game running. He was 20.

A spokeswoman for Sony Online Entertainment, which publishes "EverQuest," said it was not the company's role to monitor how its customers spend their time. "The majority of the hundreds of thousands of subscribers play the game in moderation, enjoying the game play as well as the community interaction the game provides," spokeswoman Courtney Simmons said.

Woolley traced part of her son's distress to a broken relationship he had developed with someone who was playing the game. Soon after, she started an online support group called Online Gamers Anonymous. It now counts 3,000 members. "We're flourishing because these people have no place else to go," Woolley said. "Having [the AMA] proposal pass would go a long way toward helping people get the treatment they need."

Game industry representatives say that the games themselves may not be to blame, that the addiction may have other root causes such as an addictive personality or major life stressors. "The causation question is not particularly well-supported," said Jamil Moledina, executive director of the Game Developers Conference, an annual event for professional game creators. The proposal before the AMA also points out the inadequacies of current studies, citing "insufficient research to definitively conclude that video game overuse is an addiction."

Dr. Jeffrey Wilkins, the director of addiction medicine at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, disagrees. He believes patients with video game addiction have symptoms that straddle two disorders: behavioral dependence and impaired impulse control. "If you have something that takes on the characteristics of two disorders, you probably have a new disorder," he said.

If the AMA approves the measure, it will present its case to the psychiatric association, which plans to begin discussing revisions to its mental disorder manual next month. The current edition, which took 14 years to publish, hasn't been substantially updated since it came out in 1994. In the past, the organization has been lobbied to add Internet addiction and road rage as conditions but hasn't yet made a decision.

"We want to be careful not to harm the process by rushing things," said Dr. Carolyn Robinowitz, president of the Arlington, Va.-based association. "If you have a diagnosis, it should be reliable, clear and accurate. Otherwise, people may get over-treated, under-treated or badly treated."

It's also high stakes for health insurers. Although inclusion in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders is not a guarantee that insurers will pick up the tab, Robinowitz said, it does give patients a stronger position from which to argue for coverage.

Taylor, however, doesn't want treatment. "I am sure it should be treated like pathological gambling," Taylor said. "But I don't want to be cured."

Although there is no current medical diagnosis called video game addiction, some mental health professionals administer a variety of questionnaires to assess dependency. These are some of the questions Maressa Hecht Orzack, director of the computer addiction studies center at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass., asks her patients:

• When you're not playing a game, do you find it difficult not to think about it?
• Are you uninterested in anything else besides games?
• Do you feel unable to control how much you play?
• Are you often late for appointments because of your game play?
• Are you having difficulty managing daily life?
• Do you skip meals to play?
• When you feel alone, do you use games to communicate with others?
• Do you spend more than three hours at a stretch playing?
• Is game play preventing you from getting enough sleep?
• Do you have headaches, dizziness or seizures?
 
Gee, I was wondering when medical costs would double. :rolleyes:
 
Awwww, and here I thought this was going to be about hurting your wrist playing Guitar Hero, like Detroit Tigers pitcher Joel Zumaya.
 
Ok, let's try that on this gamer:

• When you're not playing a game, do you find it difficult not to think about it?
Yes. When you're not doing something you like (), do you find it difficult not to think about it?

• Are you uninterested in anything else besides games?
So far my interrest in the horizontal limbo has not suffered, so no.

• Do you feel unable to control how much you play?
I feel unable to care how much I play.

• Are you often late for appointments because of your game play?
Not because of games per se. I'm just a general slacker.

• Are you having difficulty managing daily life?
Not because of games per se. I'm just a general slacker.

• Do you skip meals to play?
I skip meals to pick lint out of my belly button on a good day. So yah.

• When you feel alone, do you use games to communicate with others?
Games, web boards, phones, neighbors, strangers on the street...

• Do you spend more than three hours at a stretch playing?
Do you spend more than three hours at a stretch hanging out with friends? Reading a book? Watching Ben-Hur?

• Is game play preventing you from getting enough sleep?
Yes, just like TV, books, chatrooms, masturbation, sorting laundry, having breakfast, personal hygiene and that stupid thing called "my job" does.

• Do you have headaches, dizziness or seizures?
Two out of three. I call it "hangovers".
 
I can see that you're all in denial about this devastating addiction. Remember, admitting that there is a problem is the first step to getting help.

Won't one of you step forward and admit that you're an addict and tell us of the troubles it's caused in your life? We won't judge you; we're here for you and we understand....
 
If gambling can be an addiction - and it can - I suppose video games can too. There is a certain amount of a rush in either pastime.

When I hear of people being "addicted to sex" I snort in derision. Hell, everybody is addicted to sex. It's what keeps the human race going. I must admit, though, I don't need a fix as often as I used to. Either that, or I can't manage to get a fix.
 
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Boxlicker101 said:
If gambling can be an addiction - and it can - I suppose video games can too. There is a certain amount of a rush in either pastime.

When I hear of people being "addicted to sex" I snort in derision. Hell, everybody is addicted to sex. It's what keeps the human race going. I must admit, though, I don't need a fix as often as I used to. Either that, or I can't manage to get a fix.
If I must be serious for a moment (and trust me, it's tough on a thread like this), there are people with very real sex addictions. Men (and sometimes women) who blow their life savings on extra-marital flings, strippers, or hookers. Working the graveyard shift, I've had the chance to listen to Loveline quite a bit and it's actually very informative. Dr. Drew Pinskey is an addiction specialist and goes over in detail some of the symptoms of a sex addict and it's frightening. Just like an alcoholic or drug addict, they'll ruin there life over what most of us wouldn't do on a bet . . . then go right out and do it again.

Addiction is more internal than external. I have an extremely addictive personality, and since I recognized it at a very early age I've avoided most things that would get me in trouble (drugs, gambling, alcohol, smoking, etc . . . ). Even with video games, I find that I can get lost in a game, playing for hours/days on end without being able to set it down (even if I have to miss work or other things I like doing). It gets pretty intense, so I avoid it. People can be treated for their addictive personalities without blaming it on a game (which is just f'ing silly). I've known people who were addicted to working out; going to the extreme of spending much of their income taking drugs to help them and spending all of their time at the gym, despite the fact that it had no effect on their day to day life. Even things that are good for you can be abused.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox. Please resume silliness. ;)
 
3113 said:
I can see that you're all in denial about this devastating addiction. Remember, admitting that there is a problem is the first step to getting help.

Won't one of you step forward and admit that you're an addict and tell us of the troubles it's caused in your life? We won't judge you; we're here for you and we understand....

I was addicted to an online game (not WoW, Planetside) at one point. It was all that I ever thought about. It consumed all of my time at home. I played it a minimum of three hours a night after work, and ten to fourteen hours a day on weekeneds. My mind was aflutter with base captures, defences, and tank battles. I was mad with images of Planetside as I slep, and woke, and worked. I couldn't get my mind out of the game for about two years.

And then the developers introduced big stompy robots that were unbalanced and ruined the game, making it virtually no fun to play at all. I still did, but not with the degree of fanaticism that I used to have.

Now I'm lucky if I play once a month (and I pay a monthly fee for it too :eek: )
 
S-Des said:
If I must be serious for a moment (and trust me, it's tough on a thread like this), there are people with very real sex addictions. Men (and sometimes women) who blow their life savings on extra-marital flings, strippers, or hookers. Working the graveyard shift, I've had the chance to listen to Loveline quite a bit and it's actually very informative. Dr. Drew Pinskey is an addiction specialist and goes over in detail some of the symptoms of a sex addict and it's frightening. Just like an alcoholic or drug addict, they'll ruin there life over what most of us wouldn't do on a bet . . . then go right out and do it again.

Addiction is more internal than external. I have an extremely addictive personality, and since I recognized it at a very early age I've avoided most things that would get me in trouble (drugs, gambling, alcohol, smoking, etc . . . ). Even with video games, I find that I can get lost in a game, playing for hours/days on end without being able to set it down (even if I have to miss work or other things I like doing). It gets pretty intense, so I avoid it. People can be treated for their addictive personalities without blaming it on a game (which is just f'ing silly). I've known people who were addicted to working out; going to the extreme of spending much of their income taking drugs to help them and spending all of their time at the gym, despite the fact that it had no effect on their day to day life. Even things that are good for you can be abused.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox. Please resume silliness. ;)

I realize that there are some people who are more hot to trot than others, but almost everybody, especially men, is more or less addicted to sex. Even those who aren't are suppressing it. This is something that is hard-wired into human beings, and all mammals. It would be almost like describing people as being addicted to air.

I say "especially men" because they are usually so much more up front about it. I have heard about something called "The Don Juan Syndrome" which is supposed to be something that men suffer from, and the "symptom" is having sex with a lot of women. Personally, I think this "syndrome" was invented by some MD or psychologist who wasn't getting any, and was envious of men who were. Those who "suffer" from the condition are actually envied by other men who are less successful with women.

I suppose that the day after the doctor invented this syndrome, somebody, in the interest of equality, came up with something similar for women, but I'm not sure what it is. It would not be nymphomania, which is something else, and it is real. I believe it is characterized by not being to gain normal satisfaction from sex.

I can't help but think that referring to somebody as being "addicted to sex" would be like saying that somebody who smokes a pack of cigarets a day is not addicted but somebody who smokes three packs a day is an addict. Actually, both persons would be addicted, just like everybody is addicted to sex.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
I suppose that the day after the doctor invented this syndrome, somebody, in the interest of equality, came up with something similar for women, but I'm not sure what it is. It would not be nymphomania, which is something else, and it is real. I believe it is characterized by not being to gain normal satisfaction from sex.
I'd think it was the opposite. The Don Juan syndrome might have been created to gain equality with nymphomania. Remember, when nymphomania was made up at a time when it was considered strange for women to want to have lots of sex with more than one man; a "normal" woman would want to be monogamous and not interested in a lot of sex; it was normal, however, for men to be sexually prolific, so men who were "Don Juans" didn't have a complex, but women who were "Donna Juanitas" did. Hence, nymphomania.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
I realize that there are some people who are more hot to trot than others, but almost everybody, especially men, is more or less addicted to sex. Even those who aren't are suppressing it. This is something that is hard-wired into human beings, and all mammals. It would be almost like describing people as being addicted to air . . . .
. . . . I can't help but think that referring to somebody as being "addicted to sex" would be like saying that somebody who smokes a pack of cigarets a day is not addicted but somebody who smokes three packs a day is an addict. Actually, both persons would be addicted, just like everybody is addicted to sex.
The problem is, it's a medical diganosis. Someone isn't addicted to it because they like it a lot. I like having a few drinks. However, if an alcoholic has a few drinks, he wakes up the next day realizing he's done things that he's shocked at. He is unable to stop and the only way he can survive is if he doesn't touch it any more. Sex addicts don't just like sex, they could be married to the most beautiful woman alive, then will hook up with someone who is completely unnattractive to them. They will go to insane efforts to have sex with prostitutes or anyone they can find. They'll spend thousands, tens of thousands, or even more on strippers . . . sometimes mortgaging their homes or stealing from their companies to continue to supply their "fix". It's not about a person liking a behavior, it's about a person being so compelled by their desire that they will throw away everything in order to temporarily fulfill that desire. Drugs are addicting, sex is enjoyable . . . there is a difference. But someone can be addicted to either because they have psychological problems and are an addict.
 
S-Des said:
The problem is, it's a medical diganosis. Someone isn't addicted to it because they like it a lot. I like having a few drinks. However, if an alcoholic has a few drinks, he wakes up the next day realizing he's done things that he's shocked at. He is unable to stop and the only way he can survive is if he doesn't touch it any more. Sex addicts don't just like sex, they could be married to the most beautiful woman alive, then will hook up with someone who is completely unnattractive to them. They will go to insane efforts to have sex with prostitutes or anyone they can find. They'll spend thousands, tens of thousands, or even more on strippers . . . sometimes mortgaging their homes or stealing from their companies to continue to supply their "fix". It's not about a person liking a behavior, it's about a person being so compelled by their desire that they will throw away everything in order to temporarily fulfill that desire. Drugs are addicting, sex is enjoyable . . . there is a difference. But someone can be addicted to either because they have psychological problems and are an addict.

Being a medical diagnosis doesn't mean much. Remember, homosexuality used to be a diagnosis. I, myself, am a recovering alcoholic, and I know how that works. I haven't consumed any alcoholic beverages for years. I still say that everybody is addicted to sex to a degree, but I also agree that some carry it to extremes.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Being a medical diagnosis doesn't mean much. Remember, homosexuality used to be a diagnosis. I, myself, am a recovering alcoholic, and I know how that works. I haven't consumed any alcoholic beverages for years. I still say that everybody is addicted to sex to a degree, but I also agree that some carry it to extremes.
Difference between an addict and the rest of us who are just horny is that an addict can't control it. If I had to, for one reason or the other, quit sex for a longer peroid of time, I'd regret it. I'd even whine and pout about it. But I could easily do it. Just like I could easily stay off the sauce, since I'm not alcoholic.
 
Liar said:
Difference between an addict and the rest of us who are just horny is that an addict can't control it. If I had to, for one reason or the other, quit sex for a longer peroid of time, I'd regret it. I'd even whine and pout about it. But I could easily do it. Just like I could easily stay off the sauce, since I'm not alcoholic.

Well, I am, but I used to go for periods of time, sometimes a few weeks or more, without drinking. Once I started, however, I would put it away until something made me stop, like passing out or getting arrested. I still say that everybody is addicted to sex, but some people maybe more than others.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
I still say that everybody is addicted to sex, but some people maybe more than others.
There is some validity to this. I wonder if Liar's abstinence includes refraining from masturbation as well?

There are folk who channel such passions into other passions--if you can't have physical sex, and you don't masturbate, you will channel it into other activities. Which makes me wonder...could you cure the video addicts with sex?
 
3113 said:
There is some validity to this. I wonder if Liar's abstinence includes refraining from masturbation as well?

There are folk who channel such passions into other passions--if you can't have physical sex, and you don't masturbate, you will channel it into other activities. Which makes me wonder...could you cure the video addicts with sex?

We'll never know for sure, but I feel fairly confident in saying that yes, sex would have cured my video game addiction when I had it. I have turned down sex for food, but I have also turned down gaming for sex :D
 
3113 said:
There is some validity to this. I wonder if Liar's abstinence includes refraining from masturbation as well?

There are folk who channel such passions into other passions--if you can't have physical sex, and you don't masturbate, you will channel it into other activities. Which makes me wonder...could you cure the video addicts with sex?
I'm pretty sure the two are interrelated. Just a guess, but someone who's a video game addict, probably doesn't get laid a lot, and won't until they find a hobby that's a touch more relationship friendly. :catroar:
 
S-Des said:
I'm pretty sure the two are interrelated. Just a guess, but someone who's a video game addict, probably doesn't get laid a lot, and won't until they find a hobby that's a touch more relationship friendly. :catroar:

True, we don't get laid much. But I think in my case it worked the other way around. I wasn't missing sex because I was gaming, I was gaming because I couldn't get any sex.
 
Liar said:
• When you're not playing a game, do you find it difficult not to think about it?
Yes. When you're not doing something you like (), do you find it difficult not to think about it?
What are you talking about? I just love doing things like filling out my insurance papers. My mind doesn't wander at all.
No way do I start thinking about Sicko, and then why Michael Moore is always in dire need of a haircut, and then the next time I need a haircut, and then the fact that I need new hair mousse because the stuff I'm using sucks, but does, however, come out in funny shapes on my hand (like rubber duckies or Hello Kitty's head), and that maybe I should just go buy that mousse now, along with some Bubblicious Strawberry bubble-gum...mmm...

Great, now I'm drooling. <sigh>

Liar said:
• Do you skip meals to play?
I skip meals to pick lint out of my belly button on a good day. So yah.
Will you tell us when you strike oil?

TheeGoatPig said:
True, we don't get laid much. But I think in my case it worked the other way around. I wasn't missing sex because I was gaming, I was gaming because I couldn't get any sex.
There, there, little GoatyPig. Would you like a lollipop?
 
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There is some validity to this. I wonder if Liar's abstinence includes refraining from masturbation as well?

There are folk who channel such passions into other passions--if you can't have physical sex, and you don't masturbate, you will channel it into other activities. Which makes me wonder...could you cure the video addicts with sex?


TheeGoatPig said:
We'll never know for sure, but I feel fairly confident in saying that yes, sex would have cured my video game addiction when I had it. I have turned down sex for food, but I have also turned down gaming for sex :D

I think we may have something here, and just we might win a Nobel Prize for Medicine. Have hotties hang out at video parlors. When they think somebody is spending too much time there, approach them and say something like "Hi, Handsome (or Cutie) wouldn't you rather go someplace with me and fuck?" :cool:

Possibly we should be more subtle than that. :rolleyes: Also, we have to be careful if the apparent addict is under the Age of Consent. :eek: This treatment is still in its formative stage and details need to be worked out. :)
 
Does that mean that the professional video game players are addicts? If so, does that mean we regard addiction as a good thing?
 
Boxlicker101 said:
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I think we may have something here, and just we might win a Nobel Prize for Medicine. Have hotties hang out at video parlors. When they think somebody is spending too much time there, approach them and say something like "Hi, Handsome (or Cutie) wouldn't you rather go someplace with me and fuck?" :cool:

Depends how bad the addiction is. Back when I was "young and hot", I had a boyfriend who liked sex quite a bit. He'd skipped class, work, and outings with friends several times because I was in the mood. The Final Fantasy VIII came out. It got so bad he once stopped in the middle of sex, because he'd suddenly figured out how to get unstuck in the stage that was giving him trouble.
 
CeriseNoire said:
Depends how bad the addiction is. Back when I was "young and hot", I had a boyfriend who liked sex quite a bit. He'd skipped class, work, and outings with friends several times because I was in the mood. The Final Fantasy VIII came out. It got so bad he once stopped in the middle of sex, because he'd suddenly figured out how to get unstuck in the stage that was giving him trouble.

Well, he certainly had his head on straight, until that game came around. After that, it got prety crooked.

By the way, I checked your profile and bio. If the AV photo and the profile pic are you, you are still young and hot. :p
 
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Boxlicker101 said:
Well, he certainly had his head on straight, until that game came around. After that, it got prety crooked.

By the way, I checked your profile and bio. If the AV photo and the profile pic are you, you are still young and hot. :p

To this day, I cringe when people mention that game. He lived in a frat house then, so when I threw on some clothes and stormed off, the brothers all wanted to know what happened. He never lived that one down :p

And thanks for the compliment :kiss: I'm still quite young, but back then I fit what society defined as hot.
 
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