Vampires

[Joe Wordsworth]

So, a friend directed me to the most... oh, wow... mind-bogglingly disturbing thing I think I've ever seen. Vampire Personal Ads. Not "vampire role playing" kinds of sexual ads (I put those in the same category as any kind of sexual role playing). Not "I've gots me an interest in Anne Rice's pretentious fiction".

Honest-to-God... "I'm an ancient vampire, but I look 20-ish and Gothy, and I'm looking for darklings to become my eternal dark slaves/lovers/companions darkly in the dark... at night" personal ads. "I'm a sensuous crossbreed sorceress/Wiccan/werewolf that wants to be a vampire... looking for some master to turn me" kind of shit.

What... the... fuck?

Examples:
"i was intrigued by your classified. i am a female misfit. they are crossbreeds of vampires, faeries, elves, goblins, and demons. i was just told of this, and wasn't even meant to know yet. my guardian angel told me so as to convince me of something. he's one of the eldest vampires in existance."

"Merry meet and blessed be, friends. My name is Rhiannon. I am an 18-year-old Wiccan vampire."

"I am a 43 year old necromantic/vampire, who looks more like 33 than 43. i have long black hair,dark brown eyes,round face,and light skin. i am a hopless romantic,highly sexual,sensual passionate,affectionate,& erotic. i am searching for my dark prince, who should be between the ages of 36 to 47 years old. with an athletic built,chizzled features,angular face, and dark pirecing eyes. he should be also very romantic, highly sexual, and faithful to one woman only. believe in unconditional love, until death do us part. must be D/D free. and totaly into his dark side. the cementry is my home away from home, as i am into the philosophy of death with my dark angel more know as azrael. i await for you my dark prince. the night beckons ! my spirit crys for you my prince, come to me now ! i patiently await your comming my king ! "

"I am a 41 year old female, a half-vampire, having been psychically and sexually fed upon through a deep intimate encounter with a real vampire who was generous enough to pass on certain incredible gifts to me, so that I may get a taste of what the world of darkness has to offer."

Oh, shoot them... shoot them all before they pass on their lameness to another generation. I mean--damn. That is some kind of fucked up.

 

[Guest]

You should read Dr Mab's The Donor.

Nothing too freaky in it, or at all lame, but a very good read!

 

[Goldie Munro]

They might think that they are not role playing but have I GOT NEWS FOR THEM!!

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I had a long on-line realtiosnhip with a real vampress: a "sanguinary", or blood-drinker.

It took her a long time to convince me, but she finally did. Twice a year or so her Master would provide her with a donor from whom she would drink about a shot-glass full of blood. She claimed that this would make her feel tremendous and wonderfully alive, but that the effects would slowly wear off until she got to be like a junkie during withdrawal, waiting for her next fix, sick and irritable and avoiding the sun.

There's an entire subculture of vampires and their hangers-on. There are even complusive donors, people who get off on having their blood drunk. What seemed especially weird to me about her was that there was nothing at all sexual in her blood-drinking ritual. There was absolutely no sexual buzz about it. It was strictly nutritional.

She told me about the contracts the donors have to sign, how the blood's collected, all this stuff. I even wrote a story about it, although I sexed it up for Lit. It's called "The Donor" if you want to have a look:

http://english.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=90107

Just about everything in there is from stuff she told me.

Edited to add: Oops! I didn't see Lou's mention of my story. I just went and had a look at the story again (it's kind of old). It's not really very good, but Lou still gets a check.

---dr.M.

 

[Blackie Malone]

Interesting stuff in here.....

vampire associations

 

[NoJo]

I've had a set of plastic fangs made which are color matched to my own teeth, which look very convincing and make some women hot when I wear them. I use dentist's cement to fix them, but it's not strong enough to hold the fangs in place firmly enough for me to actually bite hard enough to draw blood.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I've had a set of plastic fangs made which are color matched to my own teeth, which look very convincing and make some women hot when I wear them. I use dentist's cement to fix them, but it's not strong enough to hold the fangs in place firmly enough for me to actually bite hard enough to draw blood.

What you really want to do, Joe, is get the Bela Lugosi patent-leather hair. That's what really gets the ladies.

That, and the big-ass medal he wears on the ribbon around his neck.

By the way, I already asked that vampress I knew, and no, menstrual blood is not acceptable. I never found out about nose-bleed blood.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

We knew a guy, around here, who talked up the vampire thing hard. We found him on an online community and sort of backtracked some of the things he'd said there (wasn't really hard, nothing more impressive than putting two and two together). This guy... sheesh... the whole package "I'm a vampire, I know mahjdgiycks and nobody knows the torment that torments my tormented soul" kind of stuff. He was looking for "mistresses of the night" and all that. Wanted a live-in "donor" to satisfy his "dark cravings" so he could "live without his shadow blinding him in his rage".

Oh, the pretention.

Oh, the angst.

Oh... we so backtracked him. A chickie friend of our posed as an interested girl (it wasn't hard to get his attention, nor the attention of just about damn near every "vampire" dude in the community... she was blonde, pretty, athletic, and neither gothy, pudgy, nor prone to excesses of makeup). She expressed "interest" and "always knew there were real vampires, but had never met one" and even was concerned "about being safe" and wanted "assurance that you won't do anything bad to me".

Oh, with a spoon.

He ate it up with a spoon. I'm sure somehow he was getting hard just thinking about sitting in a shadow while talking to this obviously naive girl who might just touch his cock if he fed her the right bullshit.

They never got around to meeting. She kept stringing him along, asking questions--saying that she wanted to know things before they met. At the prospect of feminine attention that was remotely hot (and Stacey was foxy-foxy), he ran through all the hoops. He talked about his "master" and how he was born in Alabama and has only been a vampire for a short time--but he's one of the (oh, dear God) few vampires that can be around in the daylight.

And eat regular food when he has to.

And doesn't suffer the weaknesses of religious symbols, but "doesn't like being around them". She kept trying to get him to admit that he was faking/playing/"rp-ing" and insinuated that she wouldn't mind if he were. Oh, no... no he was "as real as the night following the day, child" (actual quote).

He spent a week talking about how he would turn her if (oh, God help us all) she "proved herself to " him--how that wasn't the worst pickup line ever, is beyond me... half-trying to get cyber sex, we think.

Eventually he got tired of the cock-tease and told her he was "going away, back to where his master is from... don't try to find me, there is something stirring". The next morning (as usual) cocko was walking across campus on his way to class.

We talked to him (he was a friend of a friend, sort-of... we weren't strangers). We asked him about being a vampire. He spent thirty seconds trying to justify it (I recall him saying at one point "Yes, I am... not a /real/ one, though... I don't /have/ to drink blood."), another five minutes backpeddling ("I was just kidding and joking, y'know?" and "I never said I was undead or anything, or had magic powers or any of that")--so we quoted him.

He turned red and got mad.

He stormed off in a huff.

On the one hand, we thought "This guy is kinda sad and obviously lonely and maybe a product of that great modern wave of depression, why not let him and his weirdo perversions be? To each his own, right?". On the other hand, he was all but trying to brainwash some innocent girl into buying his brand of bullshit. How far would that have gone? Would he have hurt her? Probably not, didn't seem the type--squirrly little geeky guy. But is the propogation of lies intended to put people into "second class" situations (her having to do all sorts of things to "prove herself") and the chance that Stacey could have been some lonely, impressionable girl?

In the end, I couldn't feel sorry for him.

 

[CharleyH]

So, a friend directed me to the most... oh, wow... mind-bogglingly disturbing thing I think I've ever seen. Vampire Personal Ads. Not "vampire role playing" kinds of sexual ads (I put those in the same category as any kind of sexual role playing). Not "I've gots me an interest in Anne Rice's pretentious fiction".

Honest-to-God... "I'm an ancient vampire, but I look 20-ish and Gothy, and I'm looking for darklings to become my eternal dark slaves/lovers/companions darkly in the dark... at night" personal ads. "I'm a sensuous crossbreed sorceress/Wiccan/werewolf that wants to be a vampire... looking for some master to turn me" kind of shit.

What... the... fuck?

Examples:
"i was intrigued by your classified. i am a female misfit. they are crossbreeds of vampires, faeries, elves, goblins, and demons. i was just told of this, and wasn't even meant to know yet. my guardian angel told me so as to convince me of something. he's one of the eldest vampires in existance."

"Merry meet and blessed be, friends. My name is Rhiannon. I am an 18-year-old Wiccan vampire."

"I am a 43 year old necromantic/vampire, who looks more like 33 than 43. i have long black hair,dark brown eyes,round face,and light skin. i am a hopless romantic,highly sexual,sensual passionate,affectionate,& erotic. i am searching for my dark prince, who should be between the ages of 36 to 47 years old. with an athletic built,chizzled features,angular face, and dark pirecing eyes. he should be also very romantic, highly sexual, and faithful to one woman only. believe in unconditional love, until death do us part. must be D/D free. and totaly into his dark side. the cementry is my home away from home, as i am into the philosophy of death with my dark angel more know as azrael. i await for you my dark prince. the night beckons ! my spirit crys for you my prince, come to me now ! i patiently await your comming my king ! "

"I am a 41 year old female, a half-vampire, having been psychically and sexually fed upon through a deep intimate encounter with a real vampire who was generous enough to pass on certain incredible gifts to me, so that I may get a taste of what the world of darkness has to offer."

Oh, shoot them... shoot them all before they pass on their lameness to another generation. I mean--damn. That is some kind of fucked up.

OK, Flannel, this is at LEAST your second 'friend' thread today, unless I bypassed this and then read again which is not impossible. What the fuck, YES That's it! Fucking, and looking for what you want.

This is niche, not even odd, it is typical. What is your beef? Avant-garde? New, or out of your league? This is child play SM. I thought you said on a thread aside from philosophy, you were going to be, chuckle, a psychiatrist?

 

[NoJo]

What you really want to do, Joe, is get the Bela Lugosi patent-leather hair. That's what really gets the ladies.

That, and the big-ass medal he wears on the ribbon around his neck.

By the way, I already asked that vampress I knew, and no, menstrual blood is not acceptable. I never found out about nose-bleed blood.

Damn, on the nose-bleed. I HAVE to read your story.

I saw a woman recently who'd had her teeth filed into fangs. I never had a chance to talk to her, but I kept looking over at her in the cinema foyer. I looked for her after the film too.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

OK, Flannel, this is at LEAST your second 'friend' thread today, unless I bypassed this and then read again which is not impossible. What the fuck, YES That's it! Fucking, and looking for what you want.

The "I do this as a sexual role playing" thing I am not disturbed by in any meaningful way. The "I belive this" thing just wigs me out.

this is niche, not even odd, it is typical. What is your beef? Avant-garde? New, or out of your league? This is child play SM. I thought you said on a thread aside from philosophy, you were going to be, chuckle, a psychiatrist?

Psychologist, behavioral.

 

[CharleyH]

The "I do this as a sexual role playing" thing I am not disturbed by in any meaningful way. The "I believe this" thing just wigs me out.



Psychologist, behavioral.

Ah, get used to it, for your doctorate year will be full slam of psychotherapy, and on you

Truly, and what I said is true, but what bothers you about it?

I have seen you post SM, or SM stories. Is vampirism much different than SM?

People believe in SM, that it coincides as quote, S/m, ( language semiotics here) unquote. What a farce. People believe a lot of different things, either sexual play = vampirism, or sexual sadaism = cannibalism. Both equal a desire to sadism.

What are you after? (squinting eyes)

I am elusive with reason, waiting

 

[TheEarl]

Ah, get used to it, for your doctorate year will be full slam, psychotherapy, and on you

Truly, and what I said is true, but what bothers you about it?

I have seen you post SM, or SM stories. Is vampirism much different than SM? People believe in SM, tand hat it coincides as S/m, ( language semiotics here). People believe a lot of different things, either sexual play = vampirism, or sexual sadaism = ??? What are you after? (squinting eyes)

Elusive with reason

Charley: I think his confusion is the difference between people who play and people who actually believe.

People who actually believe they are vampires in the face of all acceptable evidence puzzle me.

The Earl

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Ah, get used to it, for your doctorate year will be full slam, psychotherapy, and on you

Not going to get my PsyD.

Truly, and what I said is true, but what bothers you about it?

I am disturbed when people believe stupid things. I am further disturbed when people believe stupid things that can be disproven really, really easily (example: "I can do a magic spell that makes someone fall in love with me"... "O.k., go for it"... [introduce unending chain of reasons why it can't be done right then, right there, or in any controlled situation in the near future]).

I have seen you post SM, or SM stories. Is vampirism much different than SM? People believe in SM, tand hat it coincides as S/m, ( language semiotics here). People believe a lot of different things, either sexual play = vampirism, or sexual sadaism = ??? What are you after? (squinting eyes)

Elusive with reason

I draw a thick line between practicing D/s and believing in it as a real fact of nature. On the one hand, it's a sexual turn on having her as an object and not a person--on the other hand, she is not actually an object, and she actually is a person. Sexually playing at being a vampire is one thing, believing you are not human and are ancient and old and have magical dark powers of being a vampire and the ability to turn other people into vampires is sad, at the least, and dangerous, at the worst.

 

[CharleyH]

Q!

Charley: I think his confusion is the difference between people who play and people who actually believe.

People who actually believe they are vampires in the face of all acceptable evidence puzzle me.

The Earl

Sorry, trying to edit my post, constantly, my computer sucks! ( and so do I, nonetheless) I do understand, Joe.

It, Vampirism, becomes a difference, maybe, maybe not a BIG differential from the S/m we play, and the SM that is definitional as play. Sadism and Masochism are not condusive to eachother and cannot co-exist. Vampirism is a part of that. It depends on the differential of S/m. Blood letting?

God, I know where from where I speak, but can't common denominator it :| It was a thesis . . . not vampirism, which does have attributes to sadism, even sexual sadaism . . .

 

[CharleyH]

Not going to get my PsyD.



I am disturbed when people believe stupid things.

I draw a thick line between practicing D/s and believing in it as a real fact of nature. On the one hand, it's a sexual turn on having her as an object and not a person--on the other hand, she is not actually an object, and she actually is a person. Sexually playing at being a vampire is one thing, believing you are not human and are ancient and old and have magical dark powers of being a vampire and the ability to turn other people into vampires is sad, at the least, and dangerous, at the worst.

a) so what's your point
b) you still seem to thing DS is spelled D/s
c) all of us are sexual objects, don't fool yourself
d) you are a person, intelligent, love ya
e) can you prove you are human?
f) get her into therapy

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

a) so what's your point

These people are disturbing, misguided, maybe dangerous.

b) you still seem to thing DS is spelled D/s

That's how it was spelled when I learned about it. That how it's spelled when I see people talking about it. I think it signifies that it's different than Nintendo's latest handheld.

c) all of us are sexual objects, don't fool yourself

But not merely that... don't fool yourself.

d) you are a person, intelligent, love ya

?

e) can you prove you are human?

I participate in all the criterion that defines the species. I also lack participation in things that exclude the species. So, yes.

f) get her into therapy

Who?

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Oh, the pretention.
Oh, the angst.
Oh, with a spoon.

I cannot agree with you more, Joe.

I spent the better part of my twenties working in independently owned video rental stores in the suburbs. One of my chronic late fee offenders was this freaky dude who claimed he was a vampire. He was a guy with an insanely long mullet who wore this long cheesy black pleather coat and rode a Yamaha. He also happened to have the same last name as a popular feminine hygeine product. We always suspected this is why he went with the badass vampire persona.

Movies were due back by 6pm or you got a fee, no exceptions. This guy tried to convince me that because he was a vampire, he couldn't go out before the sunset, therefore, he couldn't return his movies on time. I told him I didn't give a fuck if he burst into flames, his movies were due at 6. I was not in the business of giving breaks.

When Interview With The Vampire came out, he rented it and paid his $50 late fee from the last time. He smiled at me and showed me his brand new elongated vampire teeth. I was not impressed. I reminded him about the rental policy. Low and behold, as I was coming to work two days later, I spotted him riding his motorcycle down the highway. Not only did he have the movie tucked under his arm, he was also wearing a helmet(it's not a law where I live). So much for immortality.

 

[yui]

I told him I didn't give a fuck if he burst into flames, his movies were due at 6.

Mwhahahahahaha!http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/vampir/vampiro.gif

 

[TheEarl]

Mwhahahahahaha!http://www.addis-welt.de/smilie/smilie/vampir/vampiro.gif

And the award for most gratuitous post just to put up a smilie goes to....

The Earl

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

I reckon someone comes up to me and introduces themselves as "I am Raven Darknight, an ancient vampire of olde. I am looking for a companion to share the night with me in the night... in the dark. With the passion of the dark. In the night".... I think I'm liable to bust geeko's teeth.

I've got absolutely NO tolerance for that level of "goddamn".

As a matter of fact, I totally freely offer my entire savings (that's six figures) to anyone who can show me some real vampire-ness. Lack of heartbeat... psychic powers... maybe turning into bats or wolves or ANYTHING that could be substantiated. Anything to make the difference between "vampire" and "human" meaningful.

Spread the word.

Mad money prize.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Back in the days when I used to hang out at this Magick Store (it was okay. I was a member of the pagan group that sponsored it at the time, even played in the temple orchestra), you'd see a lot of these witches and warlocks come in and try to put the ju-ju on each other and hint about how bad they were. Fine. Whatever. Buy your asafoetida or your galbanum and myrrh and get out. Business is business.

The thing about this vampress I mentioned, though, was that she wasn't into any of that. She dabbled in black magic, as I recall, but she never claimed she could turn into a bat or anything like that. And she never linked her blood-drinking to any sort of sexuality. She drank it from a shot glass, in fact.

If someone claims they can change into an animal or not cast an image in a mirror, then it's safe to say that they're probably full of it. But if the operational definition of a vampire is someone who drinks human blood, then this girl was a vampire, plain and simple.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Vampire LARPers, yeah, they're around. Most of it is just a form of role-playing. Especially on online formats like that. Like all role-playing, it is the pretense of truthfulness that lends it its flavor and fun. No different than the myriad of "I am a 21 year old sweedish bikini model"/"I am Studzor, the barbarian" personals and forums and what not. It's not meant in serious. Except in of course the case that the supernatural is indeed genuine in that for instance and there are underground cabals of vampires trying to get in touch (hey, you never know. got to cover every possibility).

Some may play it in life, but very few are generally so far gone that they're anything other than a specialized form of goth and geek. And the ones that are that far gone aren't seen on the streets at all. Like the LARPer you mentioned, using the vampirism false identity as a sort of coolness or specialness in much the way a mid-life criser might ride a Harley.

Overall that whole scene varies in intensities. On the most levels, it's just a false identity to add some entertainment to existing relationships, not meant to be taken in any truly serious manner even though it may seem serious to a confused outsider. To use a bad analogy, my own "Lucifer" identity exists entirely as a foil for jokes (self and other made), in truth arising from how others used it cleverly. As such it can provide a new avenue for fun in the way all in-jokes do.

So, while it may seem serious, I doubt many are. Not even Konstantinos (online goth/Vampire LARP legend, played a goth in GTA: Vice City, yeah I'm a geek).

So my advice to you would be to take it less seriously. There's far more out there on the internet that's more worthy of being scared of. The kicking a guy down a flight of stairs flash game that circulated around a few years ago. The "PFLAG is an organization from Satan" movements complete with books they want to ban that you need to pass an over-18 check to access (i kid you not). The disney porn. The many many flavors of conspiracy theorist. And god forbid, the plushies (people who have sex with stuffed animals and sew vaginas and arseholes on said stuffed animals in order to do it).

So, let the kids have their Vampire LARPing fun. It may be the only source of entertainment and creativity in their short miserable lives. If it harm none and all that jazz.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Back in the days when I used to hang out at this Magick Store (it was okay. I was a member of the pagan group that sponsored it at the time, even played in the temple orchestra), you'd see a lot of these witches and warlocks come in and try to put the ju-ju on each other and hint about how bad they were. Fine. Whatever. Buy your asafoetida or your galbanum and myrrh and get out. Business is business.

The thing about this vampress I mentioned, though, was that she wasn't into any of that. She dabbled in black magic, as I recall, but she never claimed she could turn into a bat or anything like that. And she never linked her blood-drinking to any sort of sexuality. She drank it from a shot glass, in fact.

If someone claims they can change into an animal or not cast an image in a mirror, then it's safe to say that they're probably full of it. But if the operational definition of a vampire is someone who drinks human blood, then this girl was a vampire, plain and simple.

But then... I'd put that into the same category as people calling themselves Werewolves because they run around howling in the moonlight (by choice). Or Wizards because they read madgjicks-books and like chanting Latin. Or Psychics because they like thinking about the future.

So on and so forth.

Which is to say... it's a category summed up by "So, you're not actually a [mythical magical creature], but choose to act like one sometimes and call it 'really being one'.".

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

But then... I'd put that into the same category as people calling themselves Werewolves because they run around howling in the moonlight (by choice). Or Wizards because they read madgjicks-books and like chanting Latin. Or Psychics because they like thinking about the future.

So on and so forth.

Which is to say... it's a category summed up by "So, you're not actually a [mythical magical creature], but choose to act like one sometimes and call it 'really being one'.".

Aka Fantasy and Role-playing. Just cause they stay "in-character" when you chat with them, doesn't make them mad, just pathetic detritus of the geek and goth groups.