USA - forever Israel's bitch?

Nope, but what possible difference would that make to you?

The reasons are everything to me.....

War for other folks freedom is fucking retarded.

War to get paid and improve life for Americans in the US? Or actually in defense of an eminent threat to the US and or it's assets? That's all good....

For a bunch of muscle brain macho men, you lot for crack and cry so fucking easy when someone hits you back.

Maybe so...but we win.

Lucky you have technical advantage because you certainly don't have the advantage in guts, integrity, ethics and morals. You are on par with ISIS.

You sound like a loser ;)
 
The reasons are everything to me.....

War for other folks freedom is fucking retarded.

War to get paid and improve life for Americans in the US? Or actually in defense of an eminent threat to the US and or it's assets? That's all good....



Maybe so...but we win.


You won in Korea? I don't think so. You won in Vietnam? I don't think so. You won in Iraq? I don't think so.

You kill a lot of innocent people, you fuck up a country and region and then you cut and run and leave an unholy mess because you never have the brains to match your hardware.
 
You won in Korea? I don't think so. You won in Vietnam? I don't think so. You won in Iraq? I don't think so.

You kill a lot of innocent people, you fuck up a country and region and then you cut and run and leave an unholy mess because you never have the brains to match your hardware.

No, nutsak, we simply don't care for wogs and gooks and niggers and limey fags.
 
Demos and nustack....10 years, 250 posts = two more alts.

Iggy to both.

Nice try Throb.
 
Demos and nustack....10 years, 250 posts = two more alts.

Iggy to both.

Nice try Throb.

Not me, Xanophil. Anything I have to say, I'll use this userid.

As always, your children should die in a fire.
 
You won in Korea? I don't think so.

S.Korea disagrees...and the war isn't over.

You won in Vietnam? I don't think so.

Loss via politics...

You won in Iraq? I don't think so.

Nah we fucking steam rolled that fucker harder than anyone we have ever fucked up. It was so un-fucking-fair it took them weeks to figure out we could see in the dark. Yea...they might as well have had sling shots and water guns. I mean look at the kill ratios....they are unbelievable. Like 97:1....that's a total fucking slaughter.

We would just roll up, take a city with a couple hundred thousand, kill a few thousand mother fuckers and own that bitch with zero casualties by the end of the week. It was like the Olympic hockey team vs a Jr. League with a bunch of 10y/o kids who can't even skate.

Only significant thing about Iraq we lost was money/time...once again because of politics. Should have had Exxon oil rigs going up in 2004....

You kill a lot of innocent people,

Them fuckers ain't innocent....they are in the god damn way.

you fuck up a country and region and then you cut and run and leave an unholy mess

Not our problem....unless you're some kinda fucking retard conservative who thinks it's our job to 'fix' that stupid shit.

If we weren't going to enslave the people and take the resources we should have left with a warning that if they didn't behave we would be back to make the nazi's look like girl scouts.

because you never have the brains to match your hardware.

I agree.....we spent WAY too much money/time for what we got. Dumber than all fuck.
 
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Well, the goppers' reaction has been as predictable as one might have feared. A reasoned discussion about Israeli exceptionalism would have been good, but too much to hope for.
 
Tell us everything you know about Israel-American relations, then.

Let's see what YOU know.

Other than what the history books and the daily news have taught me? Not much. But then I'd be willing to bet that unless it has been a concerted course of study, most of you mush heads don't know that much either...
 
The reasons are everything to me.....

War for other folks freedom is fucking retarded.

War to get paid and improve life for Americans in the US? Or actually in defense of an eminent threat to the US and or it's assets? That's all good....

War is an ugly business, and as far as I'm concerned there had better be a damn good reason to be there. If you are going to do it, make sure it is an all out effort and get it done.

Now, having said all that, I have no experience with an actual shooting war. My service was during the cold war from '79 through '89. I got out of the military before the first gulf war.
 
War is an ugly business, and as far as I'm concerned there had better be a damn good reason to be there.

Now the question is do you think the reasons are good enough now?

And if so what are those reasons? :confused:
 
Now the question is do you think the reasons are good enough now?

And if so what are those reasons? :confused:

I'm really sort of ambigious about it these days.

To be fair I would have to synops the last 25 years or so.

Gulf War 1 - Seemed to at least have a clear cut goal. Drive Sadam out of Kuwait. Only problem I saw, at the time, was the failure to finish the job. However, given the way the 2nd Gulf War turned out, maybe the strategists actually got it right by not disposing Sadam and leaving the core government intact. At least the regime, bad as it might have been, kept the country fairly stable.

Afganistan - Wow, where to start here. I get it that it was post 9/11 and this was supossedly where Bin-Lauden was hiding out. But I'm not sure what the Taliban had to do with it or why it was important to go after them specifically. Either way, given the history of the region and the recent disaster with the Soviets, I wasn't so sure that being there was a good idea. Now maybe I missed it somewhere but I also fail to see the strategic significance of the area.

Iraq - What a disaster! Leaving aside the political crap over whether the stated reason was valid. There was so much here that wasn't taken into account that I think the military, in an effort to fight a "nice" war, ended up with something they never really planned on. A rat war. I guess all those war college eggheads didn't study to hard about what happens when you fight a rat war in a city. Nor did they take into account the "will of the people to resist".

As far as now. I think that we are trying to chase ghosts. IF it wasn't for the importance of the area for resourses (not just us but most of the western world) I'd say let 'em fight it out and solve thier own political problems.



But I know this is too simplistic of a view for the hard core hacks on here, so bash away.
 
I'm really sort of ambigious about it these days.

As far as now. I think that we are trying to chase ghosts. IF it wasn't for the importance of the area for resourses (not just us but most of the western world) I'd say let 'em fight it out and solve thier own political problems.


But I know this is too simplistic of a view for the hard core hacks on here, so bash away.

Not to far off from where you are at...only problem is I don't see us there for the resources...if we were where the FUCK is the shit? :confused:

Makes me think it's at least partially driven by American Christian Zionism.

He knows what the anti-Semitic left tells him.

More arbitrary bullshiting desperate to assign me to the left.

The left doesn't like me dip shit.....ask RDS how fucking liburhul I am.

You just don't understand that NOT being a fundy christian iron tyrannical Reich winger bitch boy for the GOP like yourself DOES NOT make me an anti-Semite socialist commie, despite your LIES to the contrary.

NOT wanting to kiss Israels ass and ask "How high" every time they say 'jump bitch' isn't anti Semite either you theocratic fundy whack job. It's called having some fucking DIGNITY, you should try it sometime.
 
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BUTT!! BUTT!! THAT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE SOCIALISM AND TEH CONSTITUTION!!! UHHH REPUGNANT!!! REPUGNANT!!

Vette...one of the few people we can get together about and bash with glee for being such a fuckin' cunt. :D

Yeah, I know, it takes someoneVetty to get a RealAmerican like me to agree with a jackbooted conservative thug like you.

kidding
 
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