US right wing in step with Kremlin over Ukraine disinformation, experts say

[pecksniff]

No surprise there.

False and conspiratorial narratives pushed by some American conservative politicians and media figures about Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine have bolstered and created synergies with the Kremlin’s legendary disinformation machine, experts on information manipulation say.

Led by Tucker Carlson at Fox News, a few Republican rightwingers in Congress, and some key conservative activists, a spate of comments that have disparaged Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, and echoed other Russian war disinformation have been recycled by Moscow, say experts.


A feedback loop between the Kremlin and parts of the American right has been palpable since the war’s start in February, which Moscow falsely labeled as a “special military operation” aimed at stopping “genocide” of Russians in Ukraine and “denazification” – two patently bogus charges that drew widespread international criticism.

Still, the influential figure of Carlson has pushed several false narratives to millions of Fox News viewers that have been eagerly embraced and recycled by Moscow and parts of the American right. Last month, for example, Carlson touted rightwing conspiracies that attempted to link Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, to a discredited allegation that the US financed bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

On a separate front, two Republican congressional conservatives, Madison Cawthorn and Marjorie Taylor Greene, delighted Moscow last month by condemning Zelenskiy without evidence in conspiracy-ridden terms that sparked some bipartisan criticism. Cawthorn called Zelenskiy a “thug” and his government “incredibly corrupt”, while Greene similarly charged that Zelenskiy was “corrupt”.

 

[Chobham]

Name the "experts" and the source(s)

 

[pecksniff]

Name the "experts" and the source(s)

The source is The Guardian. As for the experts:

“We often see a two-way flow of conspiratorial narratives moving from the rightwing American information ecosystem to the Kremlin and back again, in a way that creates a feedback loop that reinforces and bolsters messaging from both groups,” said Bret Schafer, who leads the Alliance for Securing Democracy’s information manipulation team.

We often see a flow of narratives from the rightwing US information ecosystem to the Kremlin and back
Bret Schafer

Schafer noted the feedback loop seems “best evidenced by the recent effort to connect Hunter Biden to a US-led bioweapons program in Ukraine, where one can clearly see the merging of a favored domestic narrative into a foreign disinformation campaign that makes it feel more familiar, and therefore more plausible, to certain target audiences”.

Schafer added that “influential American pundits and conspiracy theorists first pushed the narrative, only to then have it amplified and legitimized at the highest levels of the Russian government”.

“Putin and his oligarchs are well aware of the dark channels of influence in rightwing American politics today, and they exploit them whenever they can – just as corporations and rightwing billionaires do here at home,” the Democratic senator Sheldon Whitehouse told the Guardian.

“I think they’ve utterly failed internationally with their disinformation efforts,” former US ambassador to Ukraine John Herbst told the Guardian. “I think they’ve failed in Ukraine, too. Russia has lost the information war.”

Herbst stressed that Zelenskiy’s “excellent” messaging skills have been a key antidote to the Kremlin’s latest disinformation war, coupled with heavy western media coverage inside Ukraine of Russia’s well-documented attacks on civilians, medical facilities and brutal war tactics that are being investigated by the international criminal court and others as potential war crimes.

“That’s one reason Putin has resorted to draconian steps against the remaining spaces of free media,” added Herbst.

 

[JohnEngelman]

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[ll74]

‘Incredibly damning’: Fox News documents stun some legal experts, The Washington Post, February 23, 2023​

The disclosure of emails and texts in which Fox News executives and personalities disparaged the same election conspiracies being floated on their shows has greatly increased the chances that a defamation case against the network will succeed, legal experts say.

Dominion Voting Systems included dozens of messages sent internally by Fox co-founder Rupert Murdoch and on-air stars such as Tucker Carlson in a brief made public last week in support of the voting technology company’s $1.6 billion lawsuit against the network. Dominion claims it was damaged in the months after the 2020 election after Fox repeatedly aired false statements that it was part of a conspiracy to fraudulently elect Joe Biden.

Dominion said the emails and texts show that Fox’s hosts and executives knew the claims being peddled by then-president Donald Trump’s lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell weren’t true — some employees privately described them as “ludicrous” and “mind blowingly nuts”— but Fox kept airing them to keep its audience from changing channels.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/medi...rweb&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=extension

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I enjoy investing different points of view. For me press bias is not an issue. I assume that journalists have opinions, and that these effect the way they report the news.

Nevertheless, what I demand is press honesty. If a commentator bases his or her arguments on factual assertions, they need to be true.

The lies of Rush Limbaugh have been documented since 1974

https://fair.org/home/the-way-things-arent/

You sought out a year old post about the right wing to post about fox news? Seriously??

 

[Dribble]

You sought out a year old post about the right wing to post about fox news? Seriously??

He is desperate

Lit politics board is his life

 

[JohnEngelman]

You sought out a year old post about the right wing to post about fox news? Seriously??

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[ll74]

The date of The Washington Post article I excerpted from is February 23, 2023.

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The thread is from a year ago, dipshit.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The thread is from a year ago, dipshit.

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[ll74]

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There is already a thread on the subject matter you posted about.

You're a fucking imbecile

 

[Rightguide]

Where's the concern for the four years of misinformation and outright lies generated by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and big tech on Russian collusion?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Where's the concern for the four years of misinformation and outright lies generated by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and big tech on Russian collusion?

Please post a single one of these lies, and prove that it is a lie. An honest mistake is not a lie.

 

[YDB95]

Please post a single one of these lies, and prove that it is a lie. An honest mistake is not a lie.

What he's referring to is not a lie or a mistake, honest or otherwise. The very first paragraph of the Mueller Report makes it clear that there was collusion - he just wasn't able to find a smoking gun.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What he's referring to is not a lie or a mistake, honest or otherwise. The very first paragraph of the Mueller Report makes it clear that there was collusion - he just wasn't able to find a smoking gun.

If the collusion had been more successful, and Trump was re elected, Russia would have conquered Ukraine. The opposition of many on the right to helping Ukraine puzzles me.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Where's the concern for the four years of misinformation and outright lies generated by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and big tech on Russian collusion?

No concern, because it was neither misinformation, nor was it outright lies.

You simply choose not to believe it, because it doesn't fit in with the dystopian, orwellian narrative you so desperately cling to.
Yes, there was collusion between Trump and Russia. Even some of the Russian government officials have admitted this to be the case.

And I would not be surprised if you were Russian yourself, since you have all but admitted to being one.

 

[icanhelp1]

If the collusion had been more successful, and Trump was re elected, Russia would have conquered Ukraine. The opposition of many on the right to helping Ukraine puzzles me.

You should put a little more effort at not posting stupid shit. TDS becomes you. You’re starting to resemble KiethD.

 

[Chobham]

The "Experts" are full of shit.

Criticism of Zelensky is NOT support for Russia. The two are NOT mutually inclusive or exclusive.

If Moscow wants to use those criticism's as propaganda, let'em. They've been doing it for as long as I can remember.

 

[Chobham]

What's funny about all this is the fact that the left seems to have found, and embraced, its very own Vietnam.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What's funny about all this is the fact that the left seems to have found, and embraced, its very own Vietnam.

The important difference between Vietnam and Ukraine is that we were more interested in fighting Communism than most of the South Vietnamese. The Ukrainians are more than willing to do their own fighting. They need our weapons.

 

[icanhelp1]

The important difference between Vietnam and Ukraine is that we were more interested in fighting Communism than most of the South Vietnamese. The Ukrainians are more than willing to do their own fighting. They need our weapons.

I believe most on the right want audits and since this is a European defense issue they should shoulder most of the cost, that’s not saying we shouldn’t help but please!!! 100 billion while we’re 32 trillion in debt, a homeless crisis, a military in crisis mode, funding illegal migrants, inflation off the rails.

 

[ll74]

I believe most on the right want audits and since this is a European defense issue they should shoulder most of the cost, that’s not saying we shouldn’t help but please!!! 100 billion while we’re 32 trillion in debt, a homeless crisis, a military in crisis mode, funding illegal migrants, inflation off the rails.

It's a NATO defense issue.

 

[Chobham]

I believe most on the right want audits and since this is a European defense issue they should shoulder most of the cost, that’s not saying we shouldn’t help but please!!! 100 billion while we’re 32 trillion in debt, a homeless crisis, a military in crisis mode, funding illegal migrants, inflation off the rails.

That is right on point.

I don't object to providing material support for Ukraine. Financial support without full accountability is another game all together. Ukraine has a LONG history of corruption.

 

[coati]

That is right on point.

I don't object to providing material support for Ukraine. Financial support without full accountability is another game all together. Ukraine has a LONG history of corruption.

Right, because getting your nation leveled by Russia was simply a scheme for Ukrainian officials to get fabulously rich.

Another example of MAGA "logic".

 

[ll74]

That is right on point.

I don't object to providing material support for Ukraine. Financial support without full accountability is another game all together. Ukraine has a LONG history of corruption.

Every country has a history of corruption.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Especially the U.S. under the Trump administration. Ironically enough.