Urban Myth?

Colleen Thomas

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Urban Myth or not, the irony involved is exquisite :)

Very bizarre death......

Not even Law and Order would attempt to capture this mess...This
is an unbelievable twist of fate!!!

At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS
President Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal
complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story:

On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald
Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. Mr.
Opus had jumped from the top of a ten-storey building intending to
commit suicide.

He left a note to the effect indicating his despondency. As he
fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast
passing through a window, which killed him instantly.

Neither the shooter nor the deceased was aware that a safety net
had been installed just below the eighth floor level to protect some
building workers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to
complete his suicide the way he had planned.

"Ordinarily," Dr Mills continued, "Someone who sets out to commit
suicide and ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be
what he intended, is still defined as committing suicide." That Mr. Opus
was shot on the way to certain death, but probably would not have been
successful because of the safety net, caused the medical examiner to
feel that he had a homicide on his hands. In the room on the ninth
floor, where the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man
and his wife.

They were arguing vigorously and he was threatening her with a
shotgun. The man was so upset that when he pulled the trigger he
completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window
striking Mr. Opus.

When one intends to kill subject "A" but kills subject "B" in the
attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject "B." When confronted
with the murder charge the old man and his wife were both adamant and
both said that they thought the shotgun was not loaded.

The old man said it was a long-standing habit to threaten his wife
with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her. Therefore
the killing of Mr. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, assuming
the gun had been accidentally loaded.

The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old
couple's son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal
accident.

It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial
support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the
shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his
father would shoot his mother. Since the loader of the gun was aware of
this, he was guilty of the murder even though he didn't actually pull
the trigger. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son
for the death of Ronald Opus.

Now comes the exquisite twist.

Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald
Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his
attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the
ten-story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast
passing through the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered
himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.

A true story from Associated Press, Reported by Kurt Westervelt
 
Colly, I'm certain I've seen that plot in a movie but cannot recall the title. I'll presume they used the story. I could see the images from the film as I read your post. Eerie.

Perdita
 
Myth

See link. It is a myth. A good story, though!

Snopes Debunks Opus

Excerpt:
Here's how Mills explained his involvement with the story in a 1997 interview:

I made up the story in 1987 to present at the meeting, for entertainment and to illustrate how if you alter a few small facts you greatly alter the legal consequences. In 1994 someone copied it on to the Internet. I was told it had already garnered 200,000 enquiries on the Net. In the past two years I've had around 400 telephone calls about it - librarians, journalists, law students, even law professors wanting to incorporate it into text books.

It was hypothetical; just a story made up to illustrate a point. It's hard to imagine anyone at that 1987 meeting took it for anything else.

- Min
 
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LOL,

Thanks for the enlightment Min. I kinda thought it had to be, but it was too interesting not to post :)

-Colly
 
Thanks, Min. The site also mentioned it was used in the film "Magnolia", which makes sense with the film's plot of near-related characters and stories. I still don't know what to think of the film but for the one performance I've ever liked from Tom Cruise (he's a scumball extraordinaire in it).

Perdita
 
Here. If it helps any, this one is true:

Claim: A damaged cactus falls onto the man who had harmed it, killing him.

Status: True.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 1999]


In southern arizona they have the sorts of cacti that have great arms like you see on old westerns, called saguaros. they're quite protected by various laws and live to be hundreds of years old.

The story goes that some guy was out with his shotgun shooting signs and such. Well, he decided to blast some cacti too. As he stood within a few feet, perhaps 10, of a giant old cactus, he blasted a few holes in its giant trunk. It gave way and fell right on top of him, crushing and impaling him with nail-like spikes. He died, being alone and unable to crawl away.

Origins: People
do stupid, unthinking things. Most of the time, they get away with them . . . .

In 1982, roommates David Grundman and James Joseph Suchochi decided pack up the guns and go wandering in the desert two miles north of Arizona 74, just west of Lake Pleasant. One or both of them was struck with the brilliant notion of taking pot shots at saguaro they found growing there. Maybe it was the Devil in them. Maybe it had to do with the eerily manlike shapes these monstrous plants can grow into.

Grundman shot a small saguaro in the trunk so many times that it thudded to the ground. "The first one was easy!" he cried, according to Suchochi. He next chose a specimen which stood 26 feet high and was estimated to be a hundred years old. Before the ringing in his ears had stopped, a four-foot spiny arm, severed by the blast, fell on Grundman, crushing him.

Grundman's demise is chronicled in "Saguaro," a song by the Texas rock band, the Austin Lounge Lizards.

There are other stories in urban lore about Nature's children taking revenge on their human tormentors (the dynamite dog and Gucci kangaroo, for instance), but this is the only one where a plant strikes back. Then again, the saguaro is one very special plant.

Saguaros are tall cactuses that can reach heights of 60 feet and grow only in the Sonoran Desert in the southwestern United States. For the first 75 years of their lives, they have only huge central trunks; their distinctive outstretched and upwards-bent arms develop later, if at all. Their usual lifespan is 150 to 200 years, though some have lived to be 300.

Oh, one other fact about saguaros; they can weigh up to 8 tons. As Grundman found out.

I have always loved that one especially because it is true. I love saguaros and I wish they fell on every ignorant asshole that goes out to the desert and shoots them full of holes.

- Mindy
 
Maybe it was a similar incident that inspired the cartoon makers to coem up with the villain character "Poison Ivy"?
 
Min, thanks for that story too. I love cacti, all kinds, and Saguaros recall Mexico for me (from which AZ came). The idea of killing something that old and beautiful is unimaginable to me, but for the reality of idiots.

Perdita

Saguaro pics
 
The movie you mentioned that contained this story was "Magnolia" and, yes, it is a myth but that has already been confirmed here I think.
Neat story though.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Urban Myth or not, the irony involved is exquisite :)

Very bizarre death......
Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald
Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his
attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the
ten-story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast
passing through the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered
himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.

Damn. So much for that plan.
 
Oringinal post: It sounds like a hypothetical law school question gone insane.

Secondary post: Dear God Perdita, keep that new AV forever.
 
Vincent E said:
Secondary post: Dear God Perdita, keep that new AV forever.
I'll consider it, Vincenzo, but how about reciprocating in kind? Snow plows don't do it for me :p .

Perdita :rose:
 
That's not a snow plow. It looks like it's a Coast Guard Cutter at anchor in a early morning fog bank somewhere.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man
 
perdita said:
I'll consider it, Vincenzo, but how about reciprocating in kind? Snow plows don't do it for me :p .

Perdita :rose:
Actually it was a Coast Guard ship breaking up ice in the harbor.

How about a hockey game?
 
Personally, I wish AV's would stay what they were when the post was posted. I like the new ones and I change mine now and then but I would also like to be able to look back and admire the ones Dita and others have posted in the past. :kiss:
 
Zergplex Says

The first one is hilarious, kinda makes you glad you weren't one of the investigators involved.

And the second one is richly deserved. Thats what you get for messing with nature....

-Zergplex
 
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