Uplifting Non-consent incest stories

[Cutestarr65]

Hi,

I had a story idea which involved non-consensual incest themes, only for the victim to manage to break free and find love in the arms of another close relative and escape. Would there be an audience for uplifting non-consensual incest stories? I know non-consent is not everyones cup of tea, but would it work as a kickstarter to a happy ending?

-CS

 

[TriadWriter]

Maybe, although based on what I've been reading on site, there are very specific/narrow lines that have to be followed for non-con, so how you'd be able to pull it off, I have no idea.

 

[NotWise]

Hi,

I had a story idea which involved non-consensual incest themes, only for the victim to manage to break free and find love in the arms of another close relative and escape. Would there be an audience for uplifting non-consensual incest stories? I know non-consent is not everyones cup of tea, but would it work as a kickstarter to a happy ending?

-CS

I've heard it said that I/T readers don't care for non-con themes. Maybe it strikes too close to reality. A sentimental ending could save it, but only for the readers who get through the non-con first.

But, as with all story ideas, the only way to tell if it works is to write it.

 

[RejectReality]

Agree with NotWise. Non-con is not appreciated in Incest by and large. You're going to have to give some pretty strong hints to the eventual rescue really early in the story not to lose a significant portion of the readership.

Non-con also has a tough time in its own category. Outside the category, it's even rougher, for the most part.

Probably looking at a long, rocky journey without much reward at the end, but if the idea won't let you go, that may be enough to make it worth the effort in and of itself.

 

[Hypoxia]

Agree with NotWise. Non-con is not appreciated in Incest by and large.

That depends on who does whom. I've a Red-H Book of Ruth episode where the male narrator is drugged and raped by his sister and her girlfriend. Readers did not seem to object to that NonCon fantasy.

IRL incest is usually ugly M->F child rape. LIT incest is usually consensual adults ie fantasy, and a female forcing herself on her legal-age male kin is even more fantastic, the opposite of IRL. Avoid reality on LIT. Stick with the unlikely.

 

[kurrginatorX]

If you decide to do it, do not break it into chapters as the initial non-com will have an adverse effect on readership. Present it as a whole story. This might keep the reader engaged for the HEA.

 

[MelissaBaby]

If you decide to do it, do not break it into chapters as the initial non-com will have an adverse effect on readership. Present it as a whole story. This might keep the reader engaged for the HEA.

Indeed. The first chapter of my series, Mary and Alvin, has a 4.72 rating, but only about one third of the readers went on to the next chapter. Most readers won't still be on board for the developments the OP intends. Of course, the writer should tell their tale in the way they think best, but they ought to be aware of the ramifications.

 

[SimonDoom]

My impression of most I/T readers is that they enjoy I/T stories as fantasy-romance, and most won't like nonconsent in this category. But it's such a big audience that there are bound to be those who will like it. Go ahead and try it.

 

[RocketLauncher]

I've heard it said that I/T readers don't care for non-con themes. Maybe it strikes too close to reality. A sentimental ending could save it, but only for the readers who get through the non-con first.

But, as with all story ideas, the only way to tell if it works is to write it.

Agree with NotWise. Non-con is not appreciated in Incest by and large. You're going to have to give some pretty strong hints to the eventual rescue really early in the story not to lose a significant portion of the readership.

Non-con also has a tough time in its own category. Outside the category, it's even rougher, for the most part.

Probably looking at a long, rocky journey without much reward at the end, but if the idea won't let you go, that may be enough to make it worth the effort in and of itself.

Really? I was just plotting an I/T story with a little non con. Do non con readers care about incest? Wasn't sure what category to put it in. Basic premise is stepfather coerces stepdaughter to invite friend over for a sleep over, friend and stepdad realize they both enjoy dominating the stepdaughter who is strangely repulsed and fascinated at the same time (fascination to make it follow lit's rules).
Haven't written a story in either I/T or LWs, thought I'd give it a shot. If the wife is mature and the lover younger does it fit LWs or Mature? How do you guys muddle through the categorization process drives me crazy.
Did I hijack thread? Sorry if I did, I've been chastised before for doing that.

 

[NotWise]

Really? I was just plotting an I/T story with a little non con. Do non con readers care about incest? Wasn't sure what category to put it in. Basic premise is stepfather coerces stepdaughter to invite friend over for a sleep over, friend and stepdad realize they both enjoy dominating the stepdaughter who is strangely repulsed and fascinated at the same time (fascination to make it follow lit's rules).

That setup sounds more like BDSM than it does like NonCon. BDSM involving stepdad/stepdaughter isn't even incest as far as most I/T readers are concerned. A lot depends on how it's executed, but you might be able to put that in BDSM without a problem.

Normally anything that includes incest should go to I/T, and if you try to put it somewhere else then Laurel is likely to move it for you.

Haven't written a story in either I/T or LWs, thought I'd give it a shot. If the wife is mature and the lover younger does it fit LWs or Mature? How do you guys muddle through the categorization process drives me crazy.

Different story, I'm guessing. Nothing in your description makes that an LW story, which usually involves the wife cheating and the husband responding. It could go to Mature, but I haven't really figured out that category. It's best in Mature if it's a sentimental story. If it's more of a bang then EC is another choice.

Did I hijack thread? Sorry if I did, I've been chastised before for doing that.

Most every thread, if it's around long enough, gets hijacked.

 

[Cutestarr65]

I have an outline, maybe sharing that will help me come to a breakthrough?

-CS

 

[SimonDoom]

I have an outline, maybe sharing that will help me come to a breakthrough?

-CS

You should just write your story. Writing by committee isn't going to make it better. All you will get is a lot of comments by people telling you about the story they would write, not the story you want to write.

I have two pieces of advice.

The first piece of advice is simply to write the story you want to write, post it, and see what happens.

The second piece of advice applies if you really care how your story is received on this site. If you do, then be mindful of how the categories work and what the readers of those categories want. Read this: https://literotica.com/s/love-your-readers-categories

I think there's something to be said for the notion that you should not mix up your kinks too much. Figure out what the main kink is and focus on that. If you've got incest, it will be put in incest. Those readers may or may not want to read about nonconsent. Many won't. You may or may not care about that.

If the focus is on nonconsent, ask yourself whether the incest angle is essential to your story. If not, take it out and make it a nonconsent story. Nonconsent readers won't like the story any less for the absence of incest.

 

[RocketLauncher]

That setup sounds more like BDSM than it does like NonCon. BDSM involving stepdad/stepdaughter isn't even incest as far as most I/T readers are concerned. A lot depends on how it's executed, but you might be able to put that in BDSM without a problem.
Normally anything that includes incest should go to I/T, and if you try to put it somewhere else then Laurel is likely to move it for you.

Different story, I'm guessing. Nothing in your description makes that an LW story, which usually involves the wife cheating and the husband responding. It could go to Mature, but I haven't really figured out that category. It's best in Mature if it's a sentimental story. If it's more of a bang then EC is another choice.

Most every thread, if it's around long enough, gets hijacked.

Thanks, didn't really consider the other categories, I just assumed stepfamily interactions would be incest. And surprised, for LWs, a cheating wife needed a reactive husband, I figured a cheating spouse was a cheating spouse.
The politics of both the parameters and audience regarding categories are baffling to a relative newb like me. I appreciate your help. I really do, a different perspective can be enormously enlightening.

 

[Hypoxia]

Thanks, didn't really consider the other categories, I just assumed stepfamily interactions would be incest. And surprised, for LWs, a cheating wife needed a reactive husband, I figured a cheating spouse was a cheating spouse.

1. Stepfamily or cousin relations *can* be incest and *can* be accepted by I-T readers if the story is well-written. But the reader base usually prefers blood parent or sibling sex.

2. LW readers are all over the place. Some great LW tales have no cheating at all. Cheat victims can react (or not) in many ways. To piss-off as few LW readers as possible, have the cheaters punished by divine forces. Landslides work.

The politics of both the parameters and audience regarding categories are baffling to a relative newb like me.

It's a puzzlement. Have fun.

 

[SimonDoom]

The politics of both the parameters and audience regarding categories are baffling to a relative newb like me. I appreciate your help. I really do, a different perspective can be enormously enlightening.

Read the article I cited in my previous post. It really does a good job of explaining what each category is about and also how the categories interact with each other.

 

[RocketLauncher]

1. Stepfamily or cousin relations *can* be incest and *can* be accepted by I-T readers if the story is well-written. But the reader base usually prefers blood parent or sibling sex.

2. LW readers are all over the place. Some great LW tales have no cheating at all. Cheat victims can react (or not) in many ways. To piss-off as few LW readers as possible, have the cheaters punished by divine forces. Landslides work.

It's a puzzlement. Have fun.

Thanks for the clarification. I like the hand of God aspect to LW, I'll give that a shot, makes me giggle.

Read the article I cited in my previous post. It really does a good job of explaining what each category is about and also how the categories interact with each other.

Excellent article. Thanks for redirecting me to it.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I just submitted a story along these lines, well not to give it away... I'm not.

Look for it maybe tomorrow or the next day. Starts out as a... I'm not giving it away. Although it is in the incest/taboo category.

 

[SimonDoom]

I keep chuckling at the title of this thread because "uplifting non-consent" is such a funny pairing of words.

 

[KeithD]

I keep chuckling at the title of this thread because "uplifting non-consent" is such a funny pairing of words.

There are sexual positions that accommodate that.

 

[Cutestarr65]

Is a story still in the NC category if the rape happens off-page? As in, implied, but not the centre of the tale?

-CS

 

[KeithD]

Is a story still in the NC category if the rape happens off-page? As in, implied, but not the centre of the tale?

-CS

Certainly not if it's not the center of the tale.

 

[SimonDoom]

There are sexual positions that accommodate that.

That was good for a belly laugh. Thanks!

 

[yukonnights]

I keep chuckling at the title of this thread because "uplifting non-consent" is such a funny pairing of words.

Jokes aside, it seems to me to be a most logical combination given that non-consent must have an element of eventual pleasure in order to exist here. It only follows that a very romantic love story could easily be crafted out of that.

 

[Hypoxia]

"Uplifting Non-consent Incest" is oxymoronic. Raping kin exalts nobody. Young Suzy is raped by Dad or Bro or Unc. Who is uplifted? The only such tales I could craft would be sardonic parodies or gritty tragedies. Is the victim redeemed by taking revenge? Does the attacker go contrite and sorrowful? Is is an MC trick?

I *did* write a tale with unwilling incest, driven by a demon. Maximón made them do it, dreamily. In normal life, it would be too ugly.

 

[yukonnights]

Jokes aside, it seems to me to be a most logical combination given that non-consent must have an element of eventual pleasure in order to exist here. It only follows that a very romantic love story could easily be crafted out of that.

"Uplifting Non-consent Incest" is oxymoronic. Raping kin exalts nobody. Young Suzy is raped by Dad or Bro or Unc. Who is uplifted? The only such tales I could craft would be sardonic parodies or gritty tragedies. Is the victim redeemed by taking revenge? Does the attacker go contrite and sorrowful? Is is an MC trick?

I *did* write a tale with unwilling incest, driven by a demon. Maximón made them do it, dreamily. In normal life, it would be too ugly.

I had missed the incest part...I'll have to go with Hypoxia now since a happy ever after ending seems a far stretch indeed