Unpasteurized Milk

[chillywilly2]

Drinking unpasturized milk should get you an automatic Darwin Award

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Drinking unpasturized milk should get you an automatic Darwin Award

There is a school of thought out there presented by some pretty-well educated people that by trying to completely sanitize our world, we do our children's immune systems a grave disservice.

Drinking raw milk sure didn't kill me, it probably made me stronger.

 

[about_average]

There is a school of thought out there presented by some pretty-well educated people that by trying to completely sanitize our world, we do our children's immune systems a grave disservice.

I'm pretty sure I read some study showing that raw milk, provided it's not contaminated with e coli, etc., is actually better for peoples' immune systems.

I think what is missed is that most of the contamination comes in the processing steps of food production, i.e., sloppy work.
I drank a lot of raw eggnog made from eggs from our chickens and raw milk from the farm.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm pretty sure I read some study showing that raw milk, provided it's not contaminated with e coli, etc., is actually better for peoples' immune systems.

I think what is missed is that most of the contamination comes in the processing steps of food production, i.e., sloppy work.
I drank a lot of raw eggnog made from eggs from our chickens and raw milk from the farm.

And how rare is it to pull out an egg not covered in shit.

As Candi said, they are nasty little things, although tasty. They taste a lot like 'Gator...

 

[about_average]

And how rare is it to pull out an egg not covered in shit.

I tried pulling out one once, but the hen didn't like it.

 

[CandiCame]

And how rare is it to pull out an egg not covered in shit.

As Candi said, they are nasty little things, although tasty. They taste a lot like 'Gator...

I think they do that on purpose with eggs. They're like, "I bet predators won't eat my kids if I cover them in shit."

 

[butters]

Ha.

right on cue.

I have had Roquefort, but not Stilton. I never realized it was from sheep's milk.

I don't think I have ever had proper mozzarella, isn't it supposed to be from water buffalo?

sometimes i just know shit. other times i know shit-all.
buffalo? not. a. clue without going to look it up.

 

[phrodeau]

See, you're not dead.

I still wouldn't give to my kid, but as an adult, I think that you should be able to drink it if you want it. What's the difference? In taste, I mean. It's gotta be damn good if people are willing to risk food poisoning AND do drug-deal type transactions to get it.

No, it just needs to be illegal. That's what makes it attractive for some people.

There will always be schmoes who hunt out ways to get around rules and regulations, regardless of the costs and consequences, from Prohibition to Obamacare.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I think they do that on purpose with eggs. They're like, "I bet predators won't eat my kids if I cover them in shit."

lol


I never thought of it that way...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, it just needs to be illegal. That's what makes it attractive for some people.

There will always be schmoes who hunt out ways to get around rules and regulations, regardless of the costs and consequences, from Prohibition to Obamacare.

Obsess much?

 

[CandiCame]

lol


I never thought of it that way...

It's a good strategy. Human babies cover themselves in shit. Inconvenient.

I first put 'convenient' and then.... it's just not. It's really not. I can't wait until she discovers that there's an alternative to shitting your pants. I think she'll take to it. Because she, like most children, hates being covered in shit and will scream about it until someone fixes it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's a good strategy. Human babies cover themselves in shit. Inconvenient.

I first put 'convenient' and then.... it's just not. It's really not. I can't wait until she discovers that there's an alternative to shitting your pants. I think she'll take to it. Because she, like most children, hates being covered in shit and will scream about it until someone fixes it.

Princess had a purple stool and a brown pencil.

When she put her stool behind my chair and climbed up on it with her brown pencil, I knew that I had about ten minutes and then it was time to deal with the least precious thing in my life.



Even dead possums were more fun to deal with.

PS - M&Ms work great for potty training when the time comes.

 

[BotanyBoy]

maybe it's really down to what it costs in terms of medical care for those who get sick, the dangers to the foetus if pregnant women eat unpasteurised milk-products (very very bad) and, overall, general standards of public health which (i'd imagine) are better for having the pasteurising process in place. maybe it's just about someone making money they'd rather not lose out on if things revert.

just went and took a look - it seems the restrictions are area/cultural specific, and that listeriosis isn't necessarily killed by pasteurisation. guess a whole lot depends on the kind of farming undertaken, how much good husbandry's involved compared to cost-cutting for profit. seems to me that if the standards are good and the food is clearly labelled as having used 'raw milk', and people are aware of the possible dangers, then it should be ok. since those three don't always come together in a neat package, safety has to be a concern.

That....it's always the money. Big bad gubbmint doesn't come in and tell you what to eat/drink for free or for good will and general welfare of the people. Somewhere, somehow.......it's about the money.

 

[CandiCame]

Princess had a purple stool and a brown pencil.

When she put her stool behind my chair and climbed up on it with her brown pencil, I knew that I had about ten minutes and then it was time to deal with the least precious thing in my life.



Even dead possums were more fun to deal with.

PS - M&Ms work great for potty training when the time comes.

I've potty trained 4 kids and none of them needed rewards. The reward was not having to shit your pants. With my middle brother we didn't even have a potty seat, I just kinda held him. Not shitting yourself is awesome. I didn't get rewards either, I was just happy to have the 'not behind covered in shit' option. How fucking spoiled do you have to be that you need an incentive not to shit yourself?

An incentive to wipe your ass maybe. I've heard a lot of parents talk about that, and experienced it with my youngest brother. They don't want to do that. There's shit involved. I remember my littlest brother was aggravating the hell out of me refusing to wipe his ass and I was all, "WHY WON'T YOU WIPE YOUR ASS!?" because goddamn. That's not a question I should have to ask a human being. And he was too little to talk properly so he responded, "I might get poop on my hands and I just don't teserve that!" with a 't' instead of a 'd'. And he was crying and such. Crying about the fact that I was trying to make him wipe his own ass. A fate that he did not deserve.

When gramps watched him, every time he shit he would just put him in the shower. Because other people don't want to wipe your fucking ass in the toddler stage. WIPE YOUR OWN ASS!

Wasn't that in a movie? Like an Adam Sandler movie? The kid was being taken away by social services and he was like, "BUT I WIPE MY OWN ASS! I WIPE MY OWN ASS!"

 

[CandiCame]

OK but for serious I'm remembering that and I'm all pissed off now. Fucking would not wipe his ass for like half a year! Even when he was like 2 and a half and plenty big enough to go take a shit on his own. He would disappear, and then you would hear him scream through the house, "SOMEBODY COME WIPE MY BUTT!"

FUCKING NO!! JESUS CHRIST! I really, really, really hope Fun Size Candi doesn't do that. I will pull my fucking hair out and I love my hair.

 

[CeasarBoobage]

No, it just needs to be illegal. That's what makes it attractive for some people.

There will always be schmoes who hunt out ways to get around rules and regulations, regardless of the costs and consequences, from Prohibition to Obamacare.

The FDA says that since there's a small chance consuming raw milk will make you sick, it should therefore be illegal. However, they happily approve known carcinogens for daily consumption. Have you seen the list of crap that makes up the "food" at McDonalds or Burger King? If you look through the reasons people switch to "organic only" food, or the reasons for not eating processed food, it's enough to make you hurl. But raw milk? The FDA wants to ban that stuff, and launches SWAT raids on farmhouses for those drug-dealer farmers? Tobacco and alcohol are perfectly legal as well, and they have well-known dangers. But milk? Seriously? Unprotected sex with strangers has known health dangers, but Craigslist and meat-market night clubs haven't been shut down.

I'm sure glad big brother is watching out for me so closely, dictating by law how they are protecting me. I don't know how people lived for thousands of years drinking that horrible raw milk stuff. In the US, it's been less than 100 years since pasteurized milk was common, then it was mandated for our own good.

In my state, we are lucky enough that we can legally buy raw milk in stores without it looking like drug deals. It's expensive and hard to find, but it is there. As long as proper cleanliness steps are taken, the risks of illness are low. I don't always buy it, but when I do it's a treat. It's kinda nice to get the vitamins naturally, instead of the stuff that has manufactured vitamins added back in after 99% of the good stuff is cooked away.

The government shouldn't be worrying about little stuff like this. Instead of being directed by the big industry lobbyists to kill off the competition, they should adhere to their charter. If they have the health of the citizens as their priority, they should focus more on getting rid of the truly bad crap that's in our food and stop trying to ban all the natural methods of eating (and health care, but that's another thread).

So yes, if the people think they have the right to consume food/drink some bureaucrat says is wrong, there will be other ways of getting it. Prohibition worked real well, didn't it? And this "war on drugs" (hahahahahaha) sure is doing a good job keeping drugs off the streets.

 

[CandiCame]

The FDA says that since there's a small chance consuming raw milk will make you sick, it should therefore be illegal. However, they happily approve known carcinogens for daily consumption. Have you seen the list of crap that makes up the "food" at McDonalds or Burger King? If you look through the reasons people switch to "organic only" food, or the reasons for not eating processed food, it's enough to make you hurl. But raw milk? The FDA wants to ban that stuff, and launches SWAT raids on farmhouses for those drug-dealer farmers? Tobacco and alcohol are perfectly legal as well, and they have well-known dangers. But milk? Seriously?

I'm sure glad big brother is watching out for me so closely, dictating by law how they are protecting me. I don't know how people lived for thousands of years drinking that horrible raw milk stuff. In the US, it's been less than 100 years since pasteurized milk was common, then it was mandated for our own good.

In my state, we are lucky enough that we can legally buy raw milk in stores without it looking like drug deals. It's expensive and hard to find, but it is there. As long as proper cleanliness steps are taken, the risks of illness are low. I don't always buy it, but when I do it's a treat. It's kinda nice to get the vitamins naturally, instead of the stuff that has manufactured vitamins added back in after 99% of the good stuff is cooked away.

The government shouldn't be worrying about little stuff like this. Instead of being directed by the big industry lobbyists to kill off the competition, they should adhere to their charter. If they have the health of the citizens as their priority, they should focus more on getting rid of the truly bad crap that's in our food and stop trying to ban all the natural methods of eating (and health care, but that's another thread).

I'm kinda glad that you stopped there because I was raised by grandparents who wanted to give you horrible tasting potions for every damn thing and a mother who wanted to give you hardcore narcotics and the hardcore shit is definitely better. Half the time I didn't even drink the shit my grandma gave me. I would hide it and then pour it out when she wasn't looking.

 

[ishtat]

I was brought up on a Dairy Farm in the West of England and until I went to Uni I never drank milk that was pasteurized, homogenized or treated in any way. It tastes way better than the treated muck, and you don't get that sticky claggy aftertaste.

All milk is chilled immediately it leaves the cow and stored in a refrigerated tank until the Road Tanker picks it up. A sample is taken every load and if the bacteria count is too high the whole tank is rejected. If the Bacteria count is a little higher than the processors would like, the price paid is reduced drastically.

However, easily the most effective instument in testing the palatability of milk is called a nose.

The French make a lot of soft cheeses with unpasteurized milk and they are excellent. We used to make Double Gloucester and Cheddars and it's of little consequence whether the milk is pasteurized or not. However, we also made a small quantity of mild Caephilly cheese from unpasteurized milk - only for our own consumption though!

Liquid milk hygeine standards are pretty much the same and very strict throughout Europe, North America and Australasia.

 

[snugglestruggle]

Florida Raw Milk

In Florida you can buy "Raw Milk" only for feeding Pets, that's the loophole. The modern Jihad started when some idiot fed a 23 month old kid raw milk and he got sick, which gave big dairy the excuse to scream " for the children".

I don't see what the bugaboo is, humans have been drinking raw milk since they first started milking animals. You take your chances, you might get sick from raw milk or you could eat a salad in a restaurant where the produce came from a farm were the pickers didn't wash their hands.

 

[butters]

don't you think the differences in rearing dairy herds today compared with, say, when lots of homesteaders might have had a milker or had access to milk from a smallholding account for the reason the legislation was introduced?

in a well-run place where the feed is top quality and all the animals vetted regularly, the likelihood of unsafe milk is hugely reduced but never eliminated. what about the milk coming from places that cut corners? i think i'll stick with what i have to trust.

 

[neci]

don't you think the differences in rearing dairy herds today compared with, say, when lots of homesteaders might have had a milker or had access to milk from a smallholding account for the reason the legislation was introduced?

in a well-run place where the feed is top quality and all the animals vetted regularly, the likelihood of unsafe milk is hugely reduced but never eliminated. what about the milk coming from places that cut corners? i think i'll stick with what i have to trust.

i have a hookup i found through the crunchy moms. it's a drive out to the farm, but totally worth it. we went through this walmart explosion over here, where people were forced off the small farms to make way for big ag and a mass produced market. the key was quantity and price point, not taking into consideration the cost at which that came. legislation was forced to regulate massive dairy farms, whose workers were not effected when the milk went awry. on a small farm, if the batch is bad, the farmer or homesteader's family is the one at stake, so safety is key.

as reactionary measures lash against the tide, i believe many are turning back to "the way things were." i trust my unpasteurized milk, because the people have been vetted, and the cows are well cared for. like the human body, a good caregiver can tell you what goes in, and the result makes for the cream released. it is amazing milk and it makes for the freshest cheese.

 

[Sean]

In Florida you can buy "Raw Milk" only for feeding Pets, that's the loophole. The modern Jihad started when some idiot fed a 23 month old kid raw milk and he got sick, which gave big dairy the excuse to scream " for the children".

I don't see what the bugaboo is, humans have been drinking raw milk since they first started milking animals. You take your chances, you might get sick from raw milk or you could eat a salad in a restaurant where the produce came from a farm were the pickers didn't wash their hands.

And life expectancy is about fifty years higher now. The two facts may not be unrelated.

 

[Bidin~Time]

I have mixed emotions about this subject. I know that there are diseases such as TB, e coli, and listeria, to name a few, that can be passed in milk. However, there are states and regions certified by the ag dept as being TB free, and regulations that must be adhered to before cattle can be transported. Surely, short of slip-shod practices, these would make for a safer environment to buy raw milk.

 

[neci]

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[doowdniw]

There is a school of thought out there presented by some pretty-well educated people that by trying to completely sanitize our world, we do our children's immune systems a grave disservice.

Drinking raw milk sure didn't kill me, it probably made me stronger.

Yeah, we keep them in a bubble to protect them from those nasty germs, and the next thing you know, they're out on the playground eating dirt! I say every toddler should grow up with at least one dog at eye level. (But probably not a pit bull.)