University/college experience

[NOIRTRASH]

I don't remember a time when there were more conservatives here than libs (this is a porn board after all, so you'd expect more young, more liberal members), but I've never counted so I can't say for sure. However, I do remember numerous lit conservatives (past and current) who have acted in ways similar to what you describe. There's plenty of hate talk going both ways. Right now maybe it's overbalanced to the liberal side, but it'll swing back soon enough. It always does.

Kill em all, let God sort them out.

 

[Emerson40]

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[Disgustipated]

College for me included raising a boy who was diagnosed with autism while I attended. It was hard; it was long, and incredibly demanding but I made it and I'm glad I did. My income is more than adequate for the two of us and opportunity in my chosen field is stable, even growing. Better yet, the demands of the job are constantly changing. I'm still learning all the time.

For what it's worth, I believe AJ. His accounts of his life have been consistent over the years that I've interacted with him. There's no doubt he's articulate and intelligent, even if I don't agree with him often.

You believe the only thing holding him back from being a karate master in the Marines was his freshman year in Uni at 16 years old?

 

[RobDownSouth]

My first year, I went for the "soft" science of psychology, a field where bullshit is more important that rigorous logic and mathematic proof, because that shit was hard and I was smart, but lazy and really hated school.

When I returned to school after many years, I had spent all of that time studying martial arts and had come to understand that you do not win/prevail in the ring, or life, if you do not do the hard work and "polish the nail."

So, I took on a double major in Computer Science and Mathematics. I also worked nearly full-time and kept up my teaching. It was, as I stated earlier in the thread, a very fulfilling time and since the university hired me to do work, I left school with very little debt which was easily paid off because I was working in a very well-paying field.

And now, at the apex of your presumably highest earning years, you unload trucks on the graveyard shift.

Peaked a little early, didn't ya Chief?

 

[BotanyBoy]

"Mostly" is an important distinction when he says there is no moral or ethical difference between shooting heroin and popping oxycodone. That's an untrue statement no matter how you parse it.

How?

How does an MD pushing pfizers product suddenly change the act of consuming opium??

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

College for me included raising a boy who was diagnosed with autism while I attended. It was hard; it was long, and incredibly demanding but I made it and I'm glad I did. My income is more than adequate for the two of us and opportunity in my chosen field is stable, even growing. Better yet, the demands of the job are constantly changing. I'm still learning all the time.

For what it's worth, I believe AJ. His accounts of his life have been consistent over the years that I've interacted with him. There's no doubt he's articulate and intelligent, even if I don't agree with him often.

I liked the anesthetized sigh better.

 

[hashtag45]

crap crap crap

fart

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Is this the fight of Litsers who didn't go to College and who are trying to smear those who did? Aka crab mentality?

We're witnessing History here; a microcosmos of the future communist America.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Is this the fight of Litsers who didn't go to College and who are trying to smear those who did? Aka crab mentality?

We're witnessing History here; a microcosmos of the future communist America.

Possibly.

More likely the fight between those who absorbed the right social concerns vs those who were consumed with the subject at hand...



... although many of the first went to school to major in social concerns, and they were consumed.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We're witnessing History here; a microcosmos of the future communist America.

It's not communism, it's feudalism.

Corporate feudalism to be more specific.

Not that there is really any difference as far as the masses are concerned but it's an important designation as to which group of control freak psychopaths are calling the shots.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's not communism, it's feudalism.

Corporate feudalism to be more specific.

The rise of the oligarchic.

You have to pay to play and the more you pay, the more secure you become.

 

[sigh]

How?

How does an MD pushing pfizers product suddenly change the act of consuming opium??

I don't know. Let's see. Maybe it has to do with consistency of dosage, good manufacturing practices, clinical studies to determine optimum dose and frequency following certain types of trauma.... I can go on if you'd like. The fact is, the stuff coming from Pfizer is at (at the very least) what it says it is, and there's mounds of clinical experience supporting its use.

Sure, smoking a bowl of opium tar will kill your postop pain, but there's a ton of safety issues involved with taking that approach. I don't recommend it.

 

[sigh]

I liked the anesthetized sigh better.

me too!!

 

[Sean]

I don't know. Let's see. Maybe it has to do with consistency of dosage, good manufacturing practices, clinical studies to determine optimum dose and frequency following certain types of trauma.... I can go on if you'd like. The fact is, the stuff coming from Pfizer is at (at the very least) what it says it is, and there's mounds of clinical experience supporting its use.

Sure, smoking a bowl of opium tar will kill your postop pain, but there's a ton of safety issues involved with taking that approach. I don't recommend it.

So you're of the opinion that every prescription handed out by doctors in America is for good medical reasons and not because a large percentage of US general practitioners and specialists are bought and paid pushers for big pharma?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't know. Let's see. Maybe it has to do with consistency of dosage, good manufacturing practices, clinical studies to determine optimum dose and frequency following certain types of trauma.... I can go on if you'd like. The fact is, the stuff coming from Pfizer is at (at the very least) what it says it is, and there's mounds of clinical experience supporting its use.

Sure, smoking a bowl of opium tar will kill your postop pain, but there's a ton of safety issues involved with taking that approach. I don't recommend it.

I saw something on Reason.com recently saying that in the old days, criminals, and by that, we mean, something like Triads, produced and stamped drugs that people knew could be counted upon to be of a certain percentage of the drug and that most users would adapt to or eventually wean of. Their argument is that the war on drugs has flooded us with elixirs of wildly varying potency, which is the root cause of many overdoses.

Not meaning to digress.

 

[sigh]

So you're of the opinion that every prescription handed out by doctors in America is for good medical reasons and not because a large percentage of US general practitioners and specialists are bought and paid pushers for big pharma?

No, of course I'm not of that opinion. Nor am I in your second camp either. Don't pretend those are the only choices.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

me too!!

*chuckle*

 

[Sean]

No, of course I'm not of that opinion. Nor am I in your second camp either. Don't pretend those are the only choices.

Then this statement:

I don't know. Let's see. Maybe it has to do with consistency of dosage, good manufacturing practices, clinical studies to determine optimum dose and frequency following certain types of trauma.... I can go on if you'd like. The fact is, the stuff coming from Pfizer is at (at the very least) what it says it is, and there's mounds of clinical experience supporting its use.

is total bollocks.

 

[sigh]

I saw something on Reason.com recently saying that in the old days, criminals, and by that, we mean, something like Triads, produced and stamped drugs that people knew could be counted upon to be of a certain percentage of the drug and that most users would adapt to or eventually wean of. Their argument is that the war on drugs has flooded us with elixirs of wildly varying potency, which is the root cause of many overdoses.

Not meaning to digress.

Actually, I think the root cause of our current rise of heroin overdose goes back to the good intentions of fifteen to twenty years ago. We decided (right or wrong) that pain is a vital sign. About the same time, the use of complicated triplicate forms for narcotic prescriptions was abandoned by the feds. Together, these led to a huge increase in prescription pain killer use and subsequently to an increase in prescription pain killer addiction. Then, to correct this, a few years ago the DEA made it harder to fake pain killer prescriptions and so folks already addicted turned to illegal sources and (due to the consistency factors I've mentioned) started to die.

Fentanyl being both fairly easy to synthesize incredibly potent didn't help either.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The rise of the oligarchic.

You have to pay to play and the more you pay, the more secure you become.

Yep. Elected officials and bureaucrats are nothing more than power whores to be leased up.

I don't know. Let's see. Maybe it has to do with consistency of dosage, good manufacturing practices, clinical studies to determine optimum dose and frequency following certain types of trauma.... I can go on if you'd like. The fact is, the stuff coming from Pfizer is at (at the very least) what it says it is, and there's mounds of clinical experience supporting its use.

Those are all quality control issues and government hoops/approval. They are not moral and or ethical difference with regard to the choice of consuming and or abusing opioids.

The fundamental choice to consume an opium based painkiller is the same so is the choice to abuse it.

The pill junkie is no different morally than the back alley junkie with a needle in his arm. He or she just has better insurance or more money to get a higher quality product. But they both do it to kill the pain.

Same with the coffee drinker and the Adderall popper.....taking drugs for focus and energy.

The guy who drinks a few beers after work vs. the gal who smokes a bowl of kush vs. the valium/xanax popping grandma.

Ones just OTC, the other is prescribed and the other will get you put in jail. But they are all consuming drugs to chill the fuck out after a day filled with bullshit.

Sure, smoking a bowl of opium tar will kill your postop pain, but there's a ton of safety issues involved with taking that approach. I don't recommend it.

There's a ton of safety issues involved with taking the Pfizer brand. That stuff kills over 30,000 people a year and addicts almost 6,000 more who die on lesser forms of opium.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We're just becoming pajama bois and no one listens to A_J when he tells them to suck it up, pain means you are still alive, so go fucking live...



A_J is mean and old-fashioned; he probably spanks his kid.

 

[sigh]

Then this statement:



is total bollocks.

What does good manufacturing process and clinical experience have to do with your suggestion that doctors are bought and paid for by bid pharma? Or with your other suggestion that every prescription has to be for good medical purposes. None of what you say relates to anything else. Even the two extremes you mentioned aren't mutually exclusive of each other.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

bid pharma is one hilarious and probably true Freudian Slip...

 

[sigh]

Yep. Elected officials and bureaucrats are nothing more than power whores to be leased up.



Those are all quality control issues and government hoops/approval. They are not moral and or ethical difference with regard to the choice of consuming and or abusing opioids.

The fundamental choice to consume an opium based painkiller is the same so is the choice to abuse it.

The pill junkie is no different morally than the back alley junkie with a needle in his arm. He or she just has better insurance or more money to get a higher quality product.



There's a ton of safety issues involved with taking the Pfizer brand. That stuff kills over 30,000 people a year and addicts almost 6,000 more who die on lesser forms of opium.

Okay, now you're talking about abuse. That's not where this conversation started. Junkies are junkies, no matter what they abuse. Fine, we have no conflict there.

But there are legitimate reasons for needing opiates. As in life saving reasons. We use tons in intensive care every day. And if you need to buy an opiate, I STRONGLY suggest you go through legitimate means. There is no question that the quality of product, the clinical experience, and the comfort level of the doctor prescribing it are all hugely in favor of the Pfizer product (actually, I'd go with a generic, but you brought up Pfizer). And yes, selling a product for a legitimate purpose, in order to alleviate suffering, is (in my opinion) an ethical step up from selling an uncontrolled product to anybody, for any reason, just for money.

And that's about all I'm going to say about it. This argument is getting silly.

 

[Jennifer]

Actually, I think the root cause of our current rise of heroin overdose goes back to the good intentions of fifteen to twenty years ago. We decided (right or wrong) that pain is a vital sign. About the same time, the use of complicated triplicate forms for narcotic prescriptions was abandoned by the feds. Together, these led to a huge increase in prescription pain killer use and subsequently to an increase in prescription pain killer addiction. Then, to correct this, a few years ago the DEA made it harder to fake pain killer prescriptions and so folks already addicted turned to illegal sources and (due to the consistency factors I've mentioned) started to die.

Fentanyl being both fairly easy to synthesize incredibly potent didn't help either.

We learned in nursing school that 2000-2010 was the year of studying Pain, just as you said. Pain became a vital sign, and we had to give numbers on a pain scale before and after pain medication was given. And while that sounds reasonable, it led to people believing that they should never experience pain. At all. Even after a major outpatient operation. So people's expectations of pain medicine went over the top, as well as physician's feeling responsible to meet that expectation.

It was a fuckeroo from the start. Pain is necessary for the body to function and to be able to communicate.

 

[sigh]

bid pharma is one hilarious and probably true Freudian Slip...

twice a day, every day

unless it's prn, of course