University/college experience

[BotanyBoy]

I've seen what drugs to do people. So it's not worth it to me.

So you never take any drugs? No coffee? Tea? Beer? Wine? BenBens? Ibuprofen? NyQuil? Aspirin? Antibiotics?

Nothing?

 

[Christobal]

So you never take any drugs? No coffee? Tea? Beer? Wine? BenBens? Ibuprofen? NyQuil? Aspirin? Antibiotics?

Nothing?

I think you are beginning to stretch the point. Can we at least note a difference between drugs that you buy on the street? Which might contain anything?

 

[pollynova]

So you never take any drugs? No coffee? Tea? Beer? Wine? BenBens? Ibuprofen? NyQuil? Aspirin? Antibiotics?

Nothing?

You know what I mean.

 

[Disgustipated]

I think you are beginning to stretch the point. Can we at least note a difference between drugs that you buy on the street? Which might contain anything?

By street, you mean, have my medicine delivered to my house? Legally?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think you are beginning to stretch the point.

How? Everything I listed is a drug, ones with hazzards and risks some killing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people every year and millions collectively.

Can we at least note a difference between drugs that you buy on the street? Which might contain anything?

I don't buy any drugs on the street and neither do a whole lot of folks. Most people, the OVERWHELMING majority, buy drugs from stores or grow them in their back yards (or closets).

From St.John's Wort and Chamomile to poppies, morning glories and ganja.

You know what I mean.

You mean the drugs that companies pay the government to fear monger you about with lies and go full on goon squad with their alphabet agencies?

Is that what you mean?

 

[Christobal]

You know what I mean.

Doesn't matter. He has assumed the high ground. Not much point in debating him.

YOU TAKE ANTIBIOTICS YOU DRUGGY.

 

[pollynova]

You mean the drugs that companies pay the government to fear monger you about with lies and go full on goon squad with their alphabet agencies?

Is that what you mean?

I mean people that live only to get high and stay high and end up ruining their lives.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Doesn't matter. He has assumed the high ground. Not much point in debating him.

YOU TAKE ANTIBIOTICS YOU DRUGGY.

No I haven't.

I'm trying to point out that there is no moral or ethical difference in smoking a J, drinking alcohol or a cup of coffee. Shooting heroine and poping oxy. Snorting coke or popping adderall. Only real difference is poor folks can't afford to be addicted to Pfizer like the rest of us snobs who get to go get prescriptions and stay 'legally' addicted to any poison we want as long as the MD's and gov. get their slice.

And as testament that abuse can happen anywhere, antibiotics.

Our blanket overuse of them is starting to bite us in the ass with all these super bugs of various kinds no longer responding to any treatments.

Also there is a mountain of evidence that use of them wrecks our natural flora/fauna that it causes a host of problems and opens patients up to huge ranges of secondary infections. They truly should be used in the worst of situations. Not for every sniffle that walks in the door.

But that's not good for revenue now is it?

I mean people that live only to get high and stay high and end up ruining their lives.

People can do that on anything....doesn't even have to be drugs.

Hell, high fructose corn syrup is more addicting than crack and kills MILLIONS every year compared to the couple thousand crack heads out there.




I swear if there is one thing the USA gave people a head job on it's their perspective of drugs and substance abuse. I don't understand how so many people collectively buy into such warped views.

Was reefer madness really that convincing?

 

[neci]

college was an interesting time for me. i went off the deep end pretty far in high school, so by the time i reached college, i was of the mentality that it was something that was valuable and should not be taken lightly. i started off wanting to study economics, but that changed when i saw that the next four years of course work would be spent studying numbers on the business front. the content was also pretty overwhelming. i love a challenge, but i have learned that a little bit well learned, piece by piece, helps more than the cram for the exam. i wanted to study the world. i still do.

i also didn't drink or do any drugs in college. i didn't want to fuck things up. scholarship money helped a lot. i worked part time through college. more my senior year, which is why i decided to graduate a semester early. i was able to go on full time where i was working, which was nice. then is was over. when all of my friends graduated in may, i was working full time and no longer social.

i didn't sleep around either. it was a small school, and everyone knew everyone else's business. plus, there were very few people i was attracted to. those i was, i remember. i still have wonderful friends from there. my favorite thing to do was bum around the dorms with my door open and a pot of coffee on. if i closed my door, people knew not to bother. i was probably "antisocial." i remember being able to go a week without speaking to anyone, other than nods and polite mumbles in the hallway. there was also dancing. singing. books. all in all, i was very formal.

 

[sigh]

College for me included raising a boy who was diagnosed with autism while I attended. It was hard; it was long, and incredibly demanding but I made it and I'm glad I did. My income is more than adequate for the two of us and opportunity in my chosen field is stable, even growing. Better yet, the demands of the job are constantly changing. I'm still learning all the time.

For what it's worth, I believe AJ. His accounts of his life have been consistent over the years that I've interacted with him. There's no doubt he's articulate and intelligent, even if I don't agree with him often.

 

[sigh]

No I haven't.

I'm trying to point out that there is no moral or ethical difference in smoking a J, drinking alcohol or a cup of coffee. Shooting heroine and poping oxy. Snorting coke or popping adderall. Only real difference is poor folks can't afford to be addicted to Pfizer like the rest of us snobs who get to go get prescriptions and stay 'legally' addicted to any poison we want as long as the MD's and gov. get their slice.

And as testament that abuse can happen anywhere, antibiotics.

Our blanket overuse of them is starting to bite us in the ass with all these super bugs of various kinds no longer responding to any treatments.

Also there is a mountain of evidence that use of them wrecks our natural flora/fauna that it causes a host of problems and opens patients up to huge ranges of secondary infections. They truly should be used in the worst of situations. Not for every sniffle that walks in the door.

But that's not good for revenue now is it?



People can do that on anything....doesn't even have to be drugs.

Hell, high fructose corn syrup is more addicting than crack and kills MILLIONS every year compared to the couple thousand crack heads out there.




I swear if there is one thing the USA gave people a head job on it's their perspective of drugs and substance abuse. I don't understand how so many people collectively buy into such warped views.

Was reefer madness really that convincing?

You made a few good points here, but said some silly stuff too. But if you can't see the difference between snorting coke and taking Adderall, or shooting heroin and taking oxycodone for postop pain, then I'm not going to convince you of anything.

 

[Disgustipated]

You made a few good points here, but said some silly stuff too. But if you can't see the difference between snorting coke and taking Adderall, or shooting heroin and taking oxycodone for postop pain, then I'm not going to convince you of anything.

That's not a very good example.

 

[Disgustipated]

You didn't notice Luk's laboriously long fabrication of AJ's short post? That's the most work I've ever seen Luk put into any post.

You haven't noticed that Luk is suddenly interested in case law and legal terms?

I think it's kind of cute. I'm thinking of getting him a copy of Black' s for Christmas.

After the edit, this almost makes sense. Now, to Czech your substance...

What the fuck are you talking about? When you deny drug abuse, I'll link you back to this disaster.

 

[sigh]

That's not a very good example.

I know. That's why I pointed it out. It was his example, not mine.

 

[Disgustipated]

I know. That's why I pointed it out. It was his example, not mine.

No. I meant your comparison.

 

[sigh]

No. I meant your comparison.

What comparison? He made the comparison between shooting heroin and taking oxy. Now I agree there are people who take oxycodone improperly, and that is comparable to shooting heroin, but most people on oxycodone get their prescriptions filled postop and most don't take all that's in the bottle before they don't need it anymore.

His comparison was too simplistic, too all-inclusive. The problem with prescription narcotics is bad but it's not all-encompassing. Most are taken correctly, and for a limited time. You can't make a blanket comparison between heroin (which is ALWAYS used "off label") with oxycodone which is mostly used appropriately.

 

[Disgustipated]

What comparison? He made the comparison between shooting heroin and taking oxy. Now I agree there are people who take oxycodone improperly, and that is comparable to shooting heroin, but most people on oxycodone get their prescriptions filled postop and most don't take all that's in the bottle before they don't need it anymore.

His comparison was too simplistic, too all-inclusive. The problem with prescription narcotics is bad but it's not all-encompassing. Most are taken correctly, and for a limited time. You can't make a blanket comparison between heroin (which is ALWAYS used "off label") with oxycodone which is mostly used appropriately.

"Mostly"? My point is that the Oxy for postop pain can lead to heroin use for many- not just a few. Think about the crisis in Mass., Conn., etc. Most of them didn't just decide to start slamming H one day.

 

[hashtag45]

Oxy for postop pain can lead to heroin use for many- not just a few. Think about the crisis in Mass., Conn., etc. Most of them didn't just decide to start slamming H one day.

^^^First time that I agree with pothead.

 

[sigh]

"Mostly"? My point is that the Oxy for postop pain can lead to heroin use for many- not just a few. Think about the crisis in Mass., Conn., etc. Most of them didn't just decide to start slamming H one day.

And my point is that BBoy made broad, sweeping comparisons between legal and illegal drug use that are simply untrue. I acknowledge (and have said many times on this board) that prescription drug abuse has led to illegal drug abuse, but that doesn't lessen the importance of prescription drugs to our overall health. He rightly pointed to antibiotic overuse too, but when you really need one, your choice is often to take the drug or death.

"Mostly" is an important distinction when he says there is no moral or ethical difference between shooting heroin and popping oxycodone. That's an untrue statement no matter how you parse it.

 

[hashtag45]

For what it's worth, I believe AJ. His accounts of his life have been consistent over the years that I've interacted with him. There's no doubt he's articulate and intelligent, even if I don't agree with him often.

Exactly.
Plus his mentality, what he chooses to focus on. I don't always agree with what he says either, but he's one of those people who helps you see the forest for the trees, if you pay attention.

You're a good sport, even if you're on the other side politically. You could teach the all-or nothing GB political cyberstalkers a lesson or two in class.

 

[sigh]

Exactly.
Plus his mentality, what he chooses to focus on. I don't always agree with what he says either, but he's one of those people who helps you see the forest for the trees, if you pay attention.

You're a good sport, even if you're on the other side politically. You could teach the all-or nothing GB political cyberstalkers a lesson or two in class.

From what I've seen, "all-or nothing" is pretty much characteristic of both sides of the sort of debates/stalkings you're referring to.

 

[hashtag45]

From what I've seen, "all-or nothing" is pretty much characteristic of both sides of the sort of debates/stalkings you're referring to.

That might well be the case, but right now GB political conservatives are vastly outnombered, like
1 to 5-10 liberal posters. And a few of the latter have been ganging up in trying to chase conservatives off the board.
If they succeed and the board will becomme this liberal haven that they dream about, there won't be any challenge, and the board will gradually be dumbed down. No matter how intelligent the libs. might be.

Same principle applied many years ago, when libs. were the minority and conservatives were in majority (as I was told).

 

[sigh]

That might well be the case, but right now GB political conservatives are vastly outnombered, like
1 to 5-10 liberal posters. And a few of the latter have been ganging up in trying to chase conservatives off the board.
If they succeed and the board will becomme this liberal haven that they dream about, there won't be any challenge, and the board will gradually be dumbed down. No matter how intelligent the libs. might be.

Same principle applied many years ago, when libs. were the minority and conservatives were in majority (as I was told).

I don't remember a time when there were more conservatives here than libs (this is a porn board after all, so you'd expect more young, more liberal members), but I've never counted so I can't say for sure. However, I do remember numerous lit conservatives (past and current) who have acted in ways similar to what you describe. There's plenty of hate talk going both ways. Right now maybe it's overbalanced to the liberal side, but it'll swing back soon enough. It always does.

 

[carlsnake]

College was tough. I was at an extremely hard engineering school with a nearly all male student body. Meanwhile, my girlfriend was 100 miles away at another college and we only saw each other once a month. I was afraid she was being screwed by her friends with benefits, and I discovered after we were married that my suspicions were correct. Everything worked out great for us, but the four years in college were torture for me.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

You made a few good points here, but said some silly stuff too. But if you can't see the difference between snorting coke and taking Adderall, or shooting heroin and taking oxycodone for postop pain, then I'm not going to convince you of anything.

I've seen what the right meds can do for people. I recall one old woman who finally got an anti-psychotic that ended her long nightmare since she was 12. Ritalin is a miracle for some kids. Lithium lets many have careers and stability.

One of my ancestors found morphine in opium, what a miracle that was.