Unemployment Now 9.7%

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Actually its 16.8% if you include everyone without a job, but the government drops you from the total once you exhaust your benefits, and doesnt count people who go from full-time to part-time.

15,000,000 out of work so far.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Actually its 16.8% if you include everyone without a job, but the government drops you from the total once you exhaust your benefits, and doesnt count people who go from full-time to part-time.

15,000,000 out of work so far.

The numbers in Oregon are 15.9% and 26.8%, James. The rest of the US is heading there due to the "President's" "Economic Stimulas Package"

 

[Liar]

The numbers in Oregon are 15.9% and 26.8%, James. The rest of the US is heading there due to the "President's" "Economic Stimulas Package"

Ok, I can buy the possibility of the stimulus thingy not working and thus not adding the jobs it was meant to do. Worst case scenario would be that it wastes money and builds up deficit, but has zero effect on the job market. Which would be bad enough.

But a negative effect? How does it subtract jobs that would have been saved if he had done nothing? That makes no sense to me, other than as a haterade talking point.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Ok, I can buy the possibility of the stimulus thingy not working and thus not adding the jobs it was meant to do. Worst case scenario would be that it wastes money and builds up deficit, but has zero effect on the job market. Which would be bad enough.

But a negative effect? How does it subtract jobs that would have been saved if he had done nothing? That makes no sense to me, other than as a haterade talking point.

Those waiting with expectaion on unemployment for the Stimulas jobs fell off the back end and are no longer counted as "Unemployed."

Had the Stimulas package been a real stimulas to the economy, jobs would have opened up and been created.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

LIAR

I call your point THE THUMB IN MY ASS FALLACY. If I jamb my thumb up my ass I can make all sorts of bogus claims about what it did to prevent bad things from happening, but you cant test my claims. You cant ever prove a negation.

But unemployment keeps rising.

Now! I have a large veggie garden. I have no goddamned idea how many veggies I'll get in October, but the crop will be bigger than had I done nothing. My claim is testable!

JJ

Yes, ma'am, its a lot worse than they reveal.

 

[R. Richard]

Let me explain. I was a computer programmer/systems analyst. I used to work on large, complex systems. Because I knew what I was doing, I could fix what was wrong with such a system and improve things.

I also watched people, some of them with PhDs, who didn't know what they were doing and attempted to work on some of the same large, complex systems, using false knowledge they had obtained from manuals. They not only couldn't fix what was wrong, they would screw the systems up so badly that the systems would no longer work.

If you try to work on a large, complex system, that you know very little about, you will, at best, accomplish very little. If you try to work on a large, complex system, using false knowledge, disaster inevitably follows.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[bronzeage]

LIAR

I call your point THE THUMB IN MY ASS FALLACY. If I jamb my thumb up my ass I can make all sorts of bogus claims about what it did to prevent bad things from happening, but you cant test my claims. You cant ever prove a negation.

But unemployment keeps rising.

Now! I have a large veggie garden. I have no goddamned idea how many veggies I'll get in October, but the crop will be bigger than had I done nothing. My claim is testable!

JJ

Yes, ma'am, its a lot worse than they reveal.

How many people do you plan to hire, to harvest your large veggie garden?


I have a barn that is on fire. Some people say that if I do nothing, the barn will burn to the ground. Others say I don't need a barn and not to worry about it.

My main concern is keeping the fire in the barn and not letting it spread to my house, or your barn, where all your veggies will be stored.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BRONZEAGE

Your analogy escapes me, like the names of Romulus & Remus' parents, but I suppose it makes sense to you. I do know that if you go to the barn fire and stick your thumb in your ass it wont put the fire out.

Lessee. I bought the veggie seeds, I bought the garden tools, I bought the fertilizer and the hardware I needed. And I dont have a fucking idea how many people all this employed. Must be a trick question.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Progressive Mindset

Only the government and libbies get optimistic about bad news.

Report a shooting to the government or a liberal and they thinks its so cool the shooter only fired 5 shots instead of 6. IF THINGS ARENT AS BAD AS THEY COULD BE, IT MEANS THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER.

 

[bronzeage]

BRONZEAGE

Your analogy escapes me, like the names of Romulus & Remus' parents, but I suppose it makes sense to you. I do know that if you go to the barn fire and stick your thumb in your ass it wont put the fire out.

Lessee. I bought the veggie seeds, I bought the garden tools, I bought the fertilizer and the hardware I needed. And I dont have a fucking idea how many people all this employed. Must be a trick question.

The economics of agriculture are complicated. The tools are capital, the seeds, fertilizer, hardware and labor are operating expenses. Add the depreciation in value of the tools to the operating expenses, then subtract that from the sale price of your veggies. If you don't actually sell your produce, use the current market value. The result, positive or negative is your before tax profit.

You didn't have to apply fertilizer. There would have been some growth without it. We will never know how much difference it made. You probably had good reasons to fertilize, but if the economics of a home garden seem like a trick question, I can see why the US economy confuses you.

 

[Liar]

BRONZEAGE

Your analogy escapes me, like the names of Romulus & Remus' parents, but I suppose it makes sense to you. I do know that if you go to the barn fire and stick your thumb in your ass it wont put the fire out.

Lessee. I bought the veggie seeds, I bought the garden tools, I bought the fertilizer and the hardware I needed. And I dont have a fucking idea how many people all this employed. Must be a trick question.

No, you illierate fucktard. It IS bad news. I didn't say it was good news. Show me where I said it was good news.

I just questioned the logic of a comment seeming that implied that the unemploment is up "due to the Stimulas". I'm completely OK with anyone saying that it was a complete and irresponsible waste of money. (but I think it's too early to call yet) And that there could have been other, better and faster ways to get things rolling. But I didn't understand her reasoning there.

And asked for an explanation. And guess what, I got one, from the one I asked for it from, someone with a brain and manners.

Though I'm not sure I agree with her asessment. But you know what, grownups can talk politics without flinging feces. Watch and learn.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

No, you illierate fucktard. It IS bad news. I didn't say it was good news. Show me where I said it was good news.

I just questioned the logic of a comment seeming that implied that the unemploment is up "due to the Stimulas". I'm completely OK with anyone saying that it was a complete and irresponsible waste of money. (but I think it's too early to call yet) And that there could have been other, better and faster ways to get things rolling. But I didn't understand her reasoning there.

And asked for an explanation. And guess what, I got one, from the one I asked for it from, someone with a brain and manners.

Though I'm not sure I agree with her asessment. But you know what, grownups can talk politics without flinging feces. Watch and learn.

Liar, have you ever read what FDR did during the great depression to stimulate the economy? He spent vast amounts of money "priming the pump" in a stimulas package. The difference was, FDR created the TVA, the BPA, the federal hiway project, the Boardman Project, Boulder Dam and other projects that did nothing but create jobs.

Rather than bail out the banks, FDR closed them to stop the hemorrage of cash from the "runs" on the banks. He did nothing much to salvage Wall Street either. After all, weren't the banks and the Wall Street brokers the real reason for the great depression? And weren't the Banks and Wall Street the cause of the current recession/depression (call it what you like)?

Thus far, no jobs have been created by the Obama Stimulas Package, only promises of temporary employment. At the height of the depression in the 1930's the Rate of Unemployed was 20%. The current numbers are hard to find, but my guess is they are hovering around 15-16% and getting worse.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JJ

Youre right!

America went crazy with public works projects during the Depression. Plus CCC for the kiddies.

But this round someone made deals with corporate America to kill small business, small banks, and folks in general. When they foreclose on your house these same folks will be there to buy it for the depressed value. They dont want people to work; if you work they get no bargains.

 

[CharleyH]

Actually its 16.8% if you include everyone without a job, but the government drops you from the total once you exhaust your benefits, and doesnt count people who go from full-time to part-time.

15,000,000 out of work so far.

These stats may be true in the USA, but not in the rest of the world. Have you thought of emigrating?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CHARLEYH

I'm retired, why would I want to leave the circus-horror show here?

I need to be certain you and the rest of the Usual Suspects have jobs HERE to pay my benefits.

 

[DesertPirate]

The numbers in Oregon are 15.9% and 26.8%, James. The rest of the US is heading there due to the "President's" "Economic Stimulas Package"

12% - 14% here in NC.
In the 12 years I have lived here we have lost over 700,000 jobs over seas. We just have offices here, there is no furniture or textiles produced in this area anymore.

 

[DesertPirate]

JJ

Youre right!

America went crazy with public works projects during the Depression. Plus CCC for the kiddies.

But this round someone made deals with corporate America to kill small business, small banks, and folks in general. When they foreclose on your house these same folks will be there to buy it for the depressed value. They dont want people to work; if you work they get no bargains.

The only jobs created so far are union jobs. The 85% of the workforce that don't belong to unions are not important to this administration. Just another form of bailout for for patrons of Obama.

 

[R. Richard]

Most of the job creation in the USA comes from small businesses. As has been pointed out, the 'stimulus' has really not gotten to the small businesses.

 

[DesertPirate]

Most of the job creation in the USA comes from small businesses. As has been pointed out, the 'stimulus' has really not gotten to the small businesses.

It was never intended to. It was at best a bailout for corporate types and at worst just political payoffs for buying the election.
How did GE Financial qualify for TARP money, they are a credit company, not a bank? Could that explain the unending promotion of all things Obama on NBC and it's mini clones? Paybacks.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

RICHARD

I was out driving around the other day, what I noticed is all the small business with closed doors. These are small companies that have been around a long time. But they got no stimulus money and cant get loans. Then it dawned on me that the big players planned it this way.

 

[Pure]

question

so what do you far right boys and fascists think should have been done about the banking crisis?

what should be done now about high unemployment?


simply 'let nature take its course; anyone who *really* wants a job can get one'?

better yet 'there is no crisis and never was.'?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

so what do you far right boys and fascists think should have been done about the banking crisis?

what should be done now about high unemployment?


simply 'let nature take its course; anyone who *really* wants a job can get one'?

better yet 'there is no crisis and never was.'?

Hey Jan? Did something crawl up your ass and die?

I said a long time ago that the American taxpayer is paying for this party and shoulda gotten a check for his-her share of the bill. That is, we're paying for it, let us spend it. Three things woulda happened: 1. Some would put the money in the bank, 2. Some would use the money to pay debt, and 3. Some would spend the money on new shit.

The Wall Street Guys woulda lost their asses and jumped off buildings. Lotsa crooked banks woulda been outta business with no bonus money in their pockets. And GM-CHRYSLER woulda sold off their profitable makes-models to companies that know how to make cars for a profit.

There was a whole herd of smaties that needed to get fucked and have it on their resume.

 

[R. Richard]

so what do you far right boys and fascists think should have been done about the banking crisis?

what should be done now about high unemployment?


simply 'let nature take its course; anyone who *really* wants a job can get one'?

better yet 'there is no crisis and never was.'?

The big merchant banks had to be bailed out or the effects on the international money markets would have been devastating.

The USA banks are in trouble because of property loans. The loans were made by the banks and that was because of two things, 1) A great deal of stupidity on thepart of management; 2) government pressure to "Hep' out the po' folk." The stupid bank managers are now losing their jobs in droves. As to the government presssure, the solution is to get rid of idiots like Senators Dodd and Frank, preferably permanently.

What's needed now is to create jobs. As I pointed out, small businesses create most of the jobs. What's needed is to have the government small business people go out, beat the bushes and find people who want to start/restart small businesses, lend said people the cash they needand then have a team of professionals who counsel the new/renewed businesses.

The final thing that's needed is to keep government off the new small businesses. This last is difficult, because there's always some idiot government type who reads just the one line from a 1,000 page book and decides to enforce that one line to destroy something like small businesses. The best solution is to hire a professional to deal with government ass hole with rabies. Modesty prevents me from naming a qualified individual that I know very well. However, he doesn't have or need a lot of political skills. He doesn't need an office, because he deals with idiots insdie their idiot's own houses. Finally, given a free hand, he would allow the government ass hole's family to earn big bucks in a new career in the worlds oldest profession.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

RICHARD

The government assholes are going crazy around here, arresting small business owners for all kinds of silly bullshit. Like selling hotdogs after 9PM. Just this week the cops arrested the president of the humane society for feeding a fucking baby raccoon; apprently someone has a contract with the state to care for wild animals. Its bizarre.

 

[DeeZire]

RICHARD

I was out driving around the other day, what I noticed is all the small business with closed doors. These are small companies that have been around a long time. But they got no stimulus money and cant get loans. Then it dawned on me that the big players planned it this way.

And you think it would have been better to close the banks, instead of trying to make the banks solvent? How do you get loans without solvent banks? The whole point of the bailout was to free up credit, which, to a degree, the stimulus package was successful in doing. The reason for small business failures has more to do with the recession than it has to do with government policies that are trying to mitigate the recession.

I knew Obama was screwed when he took office. No matter what he does trying to clean up Bush's mess, he still gets blamed for the carnage. The blame game works fine for the ill-informed and the ignorant, but it just looks tacky to the rest of us.