Underage Sexual "activity" what...

[Electrosexman]

I have just had Chapter 4 of Sensuality rejected because:
• Was there an underage (under 18 years old) sexual relationship in my story?
Please feel free to re-submit the story after a Volunteer Editor has examined it….

According to thesubmission guidelines:
3. No sexual activity involving bestiality (you can write stories about supernatural beasts like ghosts, unicorns, werewolves, etc.) or underage persons will be considered. For the purposes of this site, the minimum legal age is 18. This site does not publish stories, articles, essays, or other material supporting, encouraging, or defending child abuse and/or exploitation. or after you've made revisions. You can find a list of Volunteer Editors here.
I have, as suggested, submitted the chapter to a volunteer editor, but my question to the Literotica Forum and experienced members/editors is:

WHAT CONSTITUTES SEXUAL ACTIVITY?
Is tweaking of titties considered SEXUAL ACTIVITY, viz Sensuality Chapter 3 – and this was APPROVED:

“My daughter was sitting, well reclining, on the lounge with her boy friend in a moderately tight clinch. He had his hand up under her jumper, ‘probably tweaking her tit’ I said to myself. He jumped up guiltily as he saw me come in.
“Brian, it’s alright, I’m not going to ban you, but I’ve told you two the rules before. If you respect Sally you’ll abide by them. One day you can both discover what your bodies were meant for together.”

In Chapter 4 (rejected)
Is a mother education her daughter about condoms and the pill considered underage sexual activity?

Is a daughter who encourages her mother to ‘have fun’ and comments to her mother’s lover ‘le petit mort’ considered to be engaging in (unmentioned) underage sexual activity ?

The two teenagers Sally and Brian are incidental to the story but flesh it out – being related to one of the main characters: Mary Johnson. Other than the ‘tweaking’ mentioned above, no sexual activity takes place in the story.

Now, I ask also: are stories computer scanned and automatically “flagged” as rejected simply because a teenager (under 18) is mentioned?

Perhaps the submission guidelines on this “Underage” aspect need to be more specific.

Somewhat frustrated Electrosexman

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... WHAT CONSTITUTES SEXUAL ACTIVITY? ...

As it says in the sticky above:

Volunteer Editors are not Site Editors and have no control over whether or not Literotica accepts a story for posting.
...
If you are having problems or have questions about a submitted story, you can contact Laurel by Private Message. Please keep in mind that Laurel is one of the site owners and administrators and her volume of PMs and emails is probably high.

That said, I think you were lucky to get Chapter three through. Clearly the daughter is allowing a sexual advance in the section you quote and in my experience that is a no-no on here.

The rule seems to be interpreted by the site censors as any child remains as ignorant of sex as a new born baby until his or her eighteenth birthday, on which day (s)he becomes a raving sexual obsessive.

 

[emap]

If you remove the probably tweaking her clit part it it has a good chance of being accepted, you can't describe sex between a minor and anything, you can however mention that Susie is 16 and has had four lovers, so long as you leave it at that. You can only do general comments on sex between minors, start mentioning parts or positions and your instant rejected.

It also cannot be the sole focus of the story, sorta like a brutal rape, you can do one, but there has to be something else to the story or your rejected. Literotica is stringent on what can be put into stories here but it also has the most traffic.

 

[Electrosexman]

Underage Sexual activity

I think what I wrote in chapter 3 may have been read out of context

In chapter three the sexual acitivity is by Mary Johnson, the mother

the boyfriend was 'tweaking her TIT' - hand up Sally's jumper.... I doubt her CLIt would be that high.

I realise that edtiros have no control over what is posted, however as the two teenagers are far from being protagonists in the story I could not see the reason for rejection.

Pehaps it MAY be accepted after being viewed by the volunteer editor who I have asked for help.

No sexual activityof any kind takes place bewtween the tenneagers in chapter 4, Sally visit MacDonald with her mum and Sally and Brian are just participants at a family meal...

 

[freshface]

Something else to remember is that the site editors review a lot of stories each day. Your's may not have gotten a very close look. If you believe that your story, as written, meets Lit guidelines, you can resubmit it with a note in the notes box that makes your case. You can also send a PM to Laurel requesting more detailed guidance.

 

[LOAnnie2]

Someone pointed this out to me.

The rejection notice isn't a statement, it's a question.

Just resubmit and answer the question: "No, there was no underage (under 18) sexual relationship in this story"

 

[pointless]

just add a disclaimer saying that all characters are of legal age. unless you mentioned their age or otherwise indicated that are actually younger than eighteen( like saying they're a junior in high school or something like that) that should cover it.

trust me. i know. i wrote a story about two girls having sex in the summer between junior and senior year in high school and a brief allusion to masturbation before that age. i deleted the masturbation mention and added the disclaimer after i was told that most people aren't eighteen between their jr. and sr. year and the story was then accepted.

i actually didn't think about it like that. i was just writing a prequel to another story and their ages didn't even really enter my head. besides, i was eighteen before my senior year and i knew several other kids who were, but yeah, a fair percentage aren't, so i get it even if i still don't agree 100% on the reasoning i was given when i asked laurel.

 

[Electrosexman]

Underage Sexual "activity" what!

I was considering posting a story in which the mother in the past had underage sex and produced a daughter, the mother and daughter being two of the main characters in a plot which revolves around the inheritance which should have come to the father.

All this ‘underage sexual activity’ of course takes place in the past before the events of the story itself take place..

Sadly, if the strictures of Literotica are to believed there would be no point in submitting it for RED PEN treatment.

Sorry guys…. Life just aint that simple….

The so-called ‘age of consent’ means nothing to teenagers nowadays. I'm not advocating underage sex, but it happens, more oftren than not nowadays and amongh the young folk themselves.

 

[Guest]

I was considering posting a story in which the mother in the past had underage sex and produced a daughter, the mother and daughter being two of the main characters in a plot which revolves around the inheritance which should have come to the father.

All this ‘underage sexual activity’ of course takes place in the past before the events of the story itself take place..

Sadly, if the strictures of Literotica are to believed there would be no point in submitting it for RED PEN treatment.

Sorry guys…. Life just aint that simple….

The so-called ‘age of consent’ means nothing to teenagers nowadays. I'm not advocating underage sex, but it happens, more oftren than not nowadays and amongh the young folk themselves.

Quite true, and also quite beside the point. Child pornography prosecutions are widespread, and Laurel and Manu appear to have zero risk tolerance for prosecution. Can't say as I blame them; I'm prison-averse myself.

They've provided--for free--what is quite possibly the premier erotic literature site extant. I don't think we can reasonably ask them to potentially put themselves in jeopardy, too.

Lots of other places to post the sorts of stories you want to write.

 

[pointless]

I was considering posting a story in which the mother in the past had underage sex and produced a daughter, the mother and daughter being two of the main characters in a plot which revolves around the inheritance which should have come to the father.

All this ‘underage sexual activity’ of course takes place in the past before the events of the story itself take place..

Sadly, if the strictures of Literotica are to believed there would be no point in submitting it for RED PEN treatment.

Sorry guys…. Life just aint that simple….

The so-called ‘age of consent’ means nothing to teenagers nowadays. I'm not advocating underage sex, but it happens, more oftren than not nowadays and amongh the young folk themselves.

then go here. you won't get anywhere near as many reads, but there's no age limit that i'm aware of. you also get something close to the relatively instant gratification of asstr with a better voting system than lit. seriously, though, i have a story here that has over 100,000 views that there has less than 10,000 and it was actually posted there first.

lit is not going to change its rules no matter how much you want to bitch about it. this argument has been going on for years and nothing has changed. you either post elsewhere or you learn to be vague about the age of your characters if you absolutely feel that you have to write a story involving characters under the age of 18.

 

[freshface]

I was considering posting a story in which the mother in the past had underage sex and produced a daughter, the mother and daughter being two of the main characters in a plot which revolves around the inheritance which should have come to the father.

All this ‘underage sexual activity’ of course takes place in the past before the events of the story itself take place..

Sadly, if the strictures of Literotica are to believed there would be no point in submitting it for RED PEN treatment.

Sorry guys…. Life just aint that simple….

The so-called ‘age of consent’ means nothing to teenagers nowadays. I'm not advocating underage sex, but it happens, more oftren than not nowadays and amongh the young folk themselves.

Whether it's accepted really depends on how you present the underaged sex. For instance, the following description would likely be acceptable on Lit, especially since it would be back story.

"I was only sixteen when Melinda was born and had no idea that I could become pregnant my first time. Her father was captain of the football team and destined to follow his father to Harvard and Yale."

You can mention that the under aged sex occurred, you can describe the effect that that encounter had on the narrator, but you can not describe that sex in any way.

 

[Electrosexman]

Underage "sexual activity"

Very interesting that 'pointless' directed me to a story site that DOES accept “underage sexual” activity but it was “edited” out by Cibelle (as per Lit guidleines) to point to another site – somewhere.

Anyone interested in the site was can PM me

 

[pointless]

Very interesting that 'pointless' directed me to a story site that DOES accept “underage sexual” activity but it was “edited” out by Cibelle (as per Lit guidleines) to point to another site – somewhere.

Anyone interested in the site was can PM me

i'm beginning to think she has something against me. call it a hunch. if not i'd hope she takes all of lits often ignored rules so literally. i wonder if she'll be trying to remove my link to asstr in my profile next.

 

[pointless]

also, it would be lovely to know exactly what rule she's using to make these decisions. i'm no lawyer, but her judgement seems a little... off.

especially since i wasn't exactly advertising. i was just posting a link. there's a difference.

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[LOAnnie2]

Actually the ironic part is that it's been declared that words alone don't constitute pornography, and that sex stories in the written format are 100% protected, regardless of the age of the characters in it. So yes, the site is protecting itself, but you won't go to jail for writing about 16 year olds getting it on.

 

[pointless]

Actually the ironic part is that it's been declared that words alone don't constitute pornography, and that sex stories in the written format are 100% protected, regardless of the age of the characters in it. So yes, the site is protecting itself, but you won't go to jail for writing about 16 year olds getting it on.

yes, but is understandable considering that they have made attempts to change that. five, maybe six, years ago a few sites were supposedly shut down for having underage content after a law was passed that outlawed fictional stories involving underage characters. it take long, howeverm, for the law to get shutdown by the supreme court, but by then it was a little late for a handful of sites.

or so the rumor goes. i was around back then and i remember reading about it, but i never heard any hard proof. i do know that a few writers of underage stories did "disappear" for awhile because of the one site being shut down by the fbi, but it was only one site that i remember that was actually shut down by the government and the exact details were never provided in a verifiable way.

so there you go...

anyway, that was all after lit had already established its rule about stories involving characters under the age of eighteen. still, the fear is understandable in a way.

of course, it might not be fear of prosecution at all. it may simply be a business/personal decision. a lot of people simply don't like underage stories. personally, i have a line myself of about sixteen or so. anything younger than that it starts getting creepy regardless of how realistic it might be.

 

[LadyCibelle]

Very interesting that 'pointless' directed me to a story site that DOES accept “underage sexual” activity but it was “edited” out by Cibelle (as per Lit guidleines) to point to another site – somewhere.

Anyone interested in the site was can PM me

Yeah it was edited by me following Lit's guidelines. I"m not in the habit of spoonfeeding people about information easily accessible if you look where you should, so I won't do it for you either. The "other" website wasn't a website at all; ooops I"ve just noticed that

somewhere.com

is now a website....first time I noticed it.

i'm beginning to think she has something against me. call it a hunch. if not i'd hope she takes all of lits often ignored rules so literally. i wonder if she'll be trying to remove my link to asstr in my profile next.

Nope, don't have anything against you. I don't even know you. Feeling paranoid much? What is in your signature is allowed, advertising other websites is not; even if only to supply a reference to someone else. I don't make the rules, I simply follow them like everybody else.

 

[LadyCibelle]

also, it would be lovely to know exactly what rule she's using to make these decisions. i'm no lawyer, but her judgement seems a little... off.

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As for which rule I used, I've bolded and highlighted it for you. Intentional or not, you were promoting another website and it's clearly forbidden.

You can apologize now.

 

[Electrosexman]

Apology?

Lit does not seem to me to apologise for their straitlaced policy so I'm not sure why members ot posters should do so.

I'm very new to here - 3 chapters only... maybe if I get past the "blockage" three or four more to come.

Is LadyCibelle a Moderator? Or is she the site owner (laurel in disguise?) - her post doesn't show it, so how does LC edit members posts?

I'm only glad I picked up pointless's post before it was RED PENNED (or should I say fudged?)

What I have written I have written.... and no, I don't believe in under 16's either, which in most countries/jurisidicitons is the age of "consent"

 

[pointless]

As for which rule I used, I've bolded and highlighted it for you. Intentional or not, you were promoting another website and it's clearly forbidden.

You can apologize now.

why? it wasn't spam which is what that rule is obviously referring to and what i was obviously not doing. it's all about context. dude, was saying he didn't like the fact that lits rules are too strict for him, so i posted a link to another site where he could post his stories without worrying about age restrictions. that's called being helpful.

 

[michchick98]

Lit does not seem to me to apologise for their straitlaced policy so I'm not sure why members ot posters should do so.

I'm very new to here - 3 chapters only... maybe if I get past the "blockage" three or four more to come.

Is LadyCibelle a Moderator? Or is she the site owner (laurel in disguise?) - her post doesn't show it, so how does LC edit members posts?

I'm only glad I picked up pointless's post before it was RED PENNED (or should I say fudged?)

What I have written I have written.... and no, I don't believe in under 16's either, which in most countries/jurisidicitons is the age of "consent"

I think LC was directing her apology post to pointless and not you. But as everyone else has said, the rules of Literotica have been the same for many, many years. Don't describe any kind of sex act with anyone under the age of 18.

I had a friend of mine post a story that took place over several years. The characters were 17 when they first met and in one scene they were at a drive-in movie theater. They were in a van and hopped in the back. She had them kissing....only kissing....in the scene and the chapter was rejected. She removed the mention of their ages and the story was approved.

We may not like the rules, but we have to abide by them. The age of consent on Literotica is 18. Period.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... and no, I don't believe in under 16's either, which in most countries/jurisidicitons is the age of "consent"

That (for heterosexual activity) actually varies a lot from 12 in Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Holland, Malta, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Philippines and Zimbabwe to illegal at any age outside of marriage in Iran. As far as I can discover, in the USA it is 14 in Iowa, Missouri and South Carolina; 15 in Colorado; 16 in 34 other states/jurisdictions; 17 in Illinois, Nebraska, New Mexico, Louisiana, New York and Texas; 18 in Arizona, California, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin. If anyone wants to check on my researches, PM me and I'll give you the references, one per country/U.S.State!

 

[emap]

You forgot Japan, unless they changed it again age of consent in Japan is 12 still.

 

[Electrosexman]

kissing?

mickchck wrote:

. . . and hopped in the back. She had them kissing....only kissing....in the scene and the chapter was rejected. She removed the mention of their ages and the story was approved.

WHEW SACRILEGE! .... tell me where to find the Arabic Taliban section and and Sharia laws in Lit's guidelines....

I tho't the U.S. of A. was mainly "WASP'S" (white anglo-saxon prots... with a good mix of micks)

I note my (revised and explanatory noted) "Sensuality chapter 04" has had 2 views but is still pending...

 

[michchick98]

mickchck wrote:

. . . and hopped in the back. She had them kissing....only kissing....in the scene and the chapter was rejected. She removed the mention of their ages and the story was approved.

WHEW SACRILEGE! .... tell me where to find the Arabic Taliban section and and Sharia laws in Lit's guidelines....

I tho't the U.S. of A. was mainly "WASP'S" (white anglo-saxon prots... with a good mix of micks)

I note my (revised and explanatory noted) "Sensuality chapter 04" has had 2 views but is still pending...

Plain and simple, if you don't like the rules, don't post your stuff here. We (as authors on this site) can't control or change the rules. I'd tell this to anyone who complained about getting a story rejected. It's the decision of the moderators of the site.