Underage incest fantasys
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Stella_Omega
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The question is-- can I keep the Left Wing Libertine that calls herself sweetsubsarahh?I should know that, as well.
But can I still keep "Left Wing Libertine?"
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Bears don't sing and dance?
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Bears don't sing and dance?
Hey! Hey, now! Don't you go maligning Baloo... now you're just gone TOO DAMNED FAR!
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But the thrill of incest is in the taboo nature. Not in the coercion or manipulation or power struggle. The thrill of incest lies in the fact that everybody has a parent. Lots of people have siblings. Everybody has a hot relative.
The fact is that if you take any of the stories here on Lit. and add in a consanguinal relationship then there are more readers that will be thrilled by it than by adding BDSM to an incest story.
You may like to make incest or any story as real as you possibly can but you don't have to if, as writers ought, you can suspend the reader's disbelief.
I have a minute amount of experience (read none) in BDSM or role play, mind control, non-consent or interacial and anything written in any of those categories is as far fetched to me as Aldous Huxley or Stanislav Lem. So what kind of reality do I really need to be able to be drawn in to those stories? The answer is none. Because I am willing to believe every single word is true from the first page onwards.
Where is the erotica in seeing a psychiatrist for the rest of your life because of traumatic events in puberty?
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Thinking...
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Nope. My family missed out on that one. On the other hand...maybe a second cousin once removed or two....
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I'm pretty sure you're the hot relative in your family.
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I have to take issue with that.
I am neither a lesbian nor a queer. I am somewhat of a libertine, but not really a left wing one. On some things, I am actually quite conservative, although not as much so as you.
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I think everybody has noticed that, Doc. There have even been posts to that effect, lthough maybe not on this thread. The incest stories on this site are, for the most part, E/C stories, with some NC/R stories, and maybe some other kinds, such as BDSM. However, they are classified as incest, because of the relationships of the persons involved. There are probably a lot of siblings or parents and offspring who get it on together but we don't hear about them because they keep it to themselves. What we read about or hear about are "funny uncles" or fathers who rape their daughters.
We can't write about them, because of the Lit. rules. This is not a complaint, because I really don't want to read about children being victimized, and I certainly don't want to write about it. I'd much rather write about adults having fun sex with each other.
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matriarch said:
No. This has been discussed to death. When I was 17 I did not consider myself a child, and nor did I consider my daughter to be a child when she was 17.
Oh, and I hadn't realized that when you put someone on ignore, you're still occasionally obligated to read what they've written in someone else's quote.
Me, a pervert? When by practically every test that's out there in the Internet I measure up to be homemade vanilla?
But what can you expect from someone who hangs around all day in a butcher shop, decrying the fact that it's selling meat...
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Question for the liberals. Roni B, 3113, mabeuse,
i,e, some of my friends like 3113, dr mabeuse.
I will use the points of roni,
roni 2. To clarify: virtually ANY outright censorship is wrong. While I still don’t understand why anyone would not find any other subject matter more worthy to write about, I yet fully back their right to create underaged sex stories.
3. I feel, though, that the Literotica management team has every right to “censor” what appears here. It’s their site, and the guidelines are clear, and I have no trouble with that.
4. However, anyone who does write this type of story, should seek “assistance.” To wit: talk to someone about it (friend, psychiatrist, whomever). Not because this author is necessarily deranged or dangerous, but because the vast, vast majority of our civilization would be sickened by the story; therefore, discussing the fact that you are engaging in something so “hated” may well be cathartic … getting another’s point of view. Much like the thread-starter did: Where is he, anyway?
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For starters we all agree that sex acts with children are wrong, illegal, and, at least in our culture, quite harmful, judging by reports of the 'survivors.'
Actually encouraging anyone to commit such acts is likewise wrong.
Coming now to STORIES about fictional underage persons. And let's assume a 'worst case,' namely that the author stresses: the child wanted it [amicus point]; s/he had a lot to do with initiating it;
s/he did it with great relish and 'came,' and was unharmed [as per Boxlicker's fantasy] and quite pleased after, and showed an intention to keep it going.
NOW, i agree with 3113, mabeuse, and roni, most recently, that those who immerse themselves in such stories, reinforcing their false views that lots of kids out there--a) 'want it' and b)would be happy if it occurred, and c) maybe 'learn the ropes' and be grateful-- are 'sick' in some very real sense. One can confidently say it's a pathological desire.
I'm not going to get in to question of whether such individuals' use of porn reduces and deflects their urges, has no effect, or encourages them to be 'acted out.' I don't know, but maybe it can be agreed that the thousands reading lit incest stories cannot *in general* be engaged in banging mom, dad, son, or daughter. these are adult stories, but i think it's unknown whether child related fantasy stories cause more sex offenses.
I also partly agree in wondering, as mabeuse, for example, about the 'health' of those writing the stories, IF we make the assumption of mabeuse, that the writer had to mentally 'get into the frame of mind' where s/he's looking funny at kids, including his or her own.
That said, i dont think sufficient allowance has been made for the good old writing whore, who sees a market, knows the scenes desired and churns them out. Maybe the objection is parasitic on the one above: that the child-porn-author-whore is feeding the 'sick' individuals, and no one, myself included, wants to intentionally promote that.
QUESTION: What action, if any, do you plan to take, beside posting points like Roni's in AH? (it being given that you're not lobbying congress to pass anti porn laws, i.e. establish censorship)
It's good for like minded people, all liberals, to share concerns, realize how widespread they are, etc. But what next?
Let me use an example to illustrate what's behind the question, partly suggested by mabeuse. Suppose there was a site promoting Jew hatred and even the lie that Jews don't mind being shipped off, or even exterminated. Let's suppose that it's the US, not Canada or Germany, where criminal law may be applied (which i favor). Jewish activists can and have done two kinds of things: 1) Shut the site down in , or 2) marginalize it, reduce its audience to a few crazies, listening to the crazy talk of the hosts.
Given the strong views of some, why don't they/you find some sites with underage sex stories and a) get them shut down, if that's all they are, or b) get the objectionable stories dropped.
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I don't know of actions taken, but I'll suppose there isn't much. Esp. if one hangs out at Lit, where the policy is already as desired. Maybe i'm wrong. This is puzzling.
a) Dworkin was opposed to censorship, but proposed civil litigation against the producers and distributors. She used some of the same terms as mabeuse and others, that porn is "lies" about women, that it's 'hate literature' and that it, if not encouraging overt acts, leads to a climate of oppression, e.g. women being afraid to go out at night because of the danger of rape. Presumably by some guy hopped up on porn and believing its "lie" that women want it.
b) Concerned women for America do favor legislation but in practice they exert social pressures. They write to the offending source. They write to advertisers. They boycott.
As far as I can see, the libertines here *might* favor social pressures, unorganized or organized. The kind of social pressure that keeps most of us clothed in public, even if there are no criminal charges to be laid. Do you?
In simple terms, if there's this evil promoting the wrong kind of desires [i.e. sick] in the wrong kind of people, what is to be done? esp if you reject a) and b) [do you?]
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I have not included amicus on the list of those wanting discussion of the topic, but no censorship, since i think his libertarianism (on moral issues) here is hot air only. IN fact he supports the agenda of the religious right, and promotes election of its type of people. THEY do amicus' work while he pretends to favor civil discussion of how much little girls want it. While the rest of the right is open about its call for legislation (i.e. at least is honest), Ami just goes and makes posts supporting those rightwing politicians, and attacking liberal ones-- who oppose such legislation-- as degenerates. He'd vote Huckabee over Hlllary without a millisecond of hesitation. His authoritarian heart is, for most of us, worn on his sleeve.
i,e, some of my friends like 3113, dr mabeuse.
I will use the points of roni,
roni 2. To clarify: virtually ANY outright censorship is wrong. While I still don’t understand why anyone would not find any other subject matter more worthy to write about, I yet fully back their right to create underaged sex stories.
3. I feel, though, that the Literotica management team has every right to “censor” what appears here. It’s their site, and the guidelines are clear, and I have no trouble with that.
4. However, anyone who does write this type of story, should seek “assistance.” To wit: talk to someone about it (friend, psychiatrist, whomever). Not because this author is necessarily deranged or dangerous, but because the vast, vast majority of our civilization would be sickened by the story; therefore, discussing the fact that you are engaging in something so “hated” may well be cathartic … getting another’s point of view. Much like the thread-starter did: Where is he, anyway?
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For starters we all agree that sex acts with children are wrong, illegal, and, at least in our culture, quite harmful, judging by reports of the 'survivors.'
Actually encouraging anyone to commit such acts is likewise wrong.
Coming now to STORIES about fictional underage persons. And let's assume a 'worst case,' namely that the author stresses: the child wanted it [amicus point]; s/he had a lot to do with initiating it;
s/he did it with great relish and 'came,' and was unharmed [as per Boxlicker's fantasy] and quite pleased after, and showed an intention to keep it going.
NOW, i agree with 3113, mabeuse, and roni, most recently, that those who immerse themselves in such stories, reinforcing their false views that lots of kids out there--a) 'want it' and b)would be happy if it occurred, and c) maybe 'learn the ropes' and be grateful-- are 'sick' in some very real sense. One can confidently say it's a pathological desire.
I'm not going to get in to question of whether such individuals' use of porn reduces and deflects their urges, has no effect, or encourages them to be 'acted out.' I don't know, but maybe it can be agreed that the thousands reading lit incest stories cannot *in general* be engaged in banging mom, dad, son, or daughter. these are adult stories, but i think it's unknown whether child related fantasy stories cause more sex offenses.
I also partly agree in wondering, as mabeuse, for example, about the 'health' of those writing the stories, IF we make the assumption of mabeuse, that the writer had to mentally 'get into the frame of mind' where s/he's looking funny at kids, including his or her own.
That said, i dont think sufficient allowance has been made for the good old writing whore, who sees a market, knows the scenes desired and churns them out. Maybe the objection is parasitic on the one above: that the child-porn-author-whore is feeding the 'sick' individuals, and no one, myself included, wants to intentionally promote that.
QUESTION: What action, if any, do you plan to take, beside posting points like Roni's in AH? (it being given that you're not lobbying congress to pass anti porn laws, i.e. establish censorship)
It's good for like minded people, all liberals, to share concerns, realize how widespread they are, etc. But what next?
Let me use an example to illustrate what's behind the question, partly suggested by mabeuse. Suppose there was a site promoting Jew hatred and even the lie that Jews don't mind being shipped off, or even exterminated. Let's suppose that it's the US, not Canada or Germany, where criminal law may be applied (which i favor). Jewish activists can and have done two kinds of things: 1) Shut the site down in , or 2) marginalize it, reduce its audience to a few crazies, listening to the crazy talk of the hosts.
Given the strong views of some, why don't they/you find some sites with underage sex stories and a) get them shut down, if that's all they are, or b) get the objectionable stories dropped.
----
I don't know of actions taken, but I'll suppose there isn't much. Esp. if one hangs out at Lit, where the policy is already as desired. Maybe i'm wrong. This is puzzling.
a) Dworkin was opposed to censorship, but proposed civil litigation against the producers and distributors. She used some of the same terms as mabeuse and others, that porn is "lies" about women, that it's 'hate literature' and that it, if not encouraging overt acts, leads to a climate of oppression, e.g. women being afraid to go out at night because of the danger of rape. Presumably by some guy hopped up on porn and believing its "lie" that women want it.
b) Concerned women for America do favor legislation but in practice they exert social pressures. They write to the offending source. They write to advertisers. They boycott.
As far as I can see, the libertines here *might* favor social pressures, unorganized or organized. The kind of social pressure that keeps most of us clothed in public, even if there are no criminal charges to be laid. Do you?
In simple terms, if there's this evil promoting the wrong kind of desires [i.e. sick] in the wrong kind of people, what is to be done? esp if you reject a) and b) [do you?]
----
I have not included amicus on the list of those wanting discussion of the topic, but no censorship, since i think his libertarianism (on moral issues) here is hot air only. IN fact he supports the agenda of the religious right, and promotes election of its type of people. THEY do amicus' work while he pretends to favor civil discussion of how much little girls want it. While the rest of the right is open about its call for legislation (i.e. at least is honest), Ami just goes and makes posts supporting those rightwing politicians, and attacking liberal ones-- who oppose such legislation-- as degenerates. He'd vote Huckabee over Hlllary without a millisecond of hesitation. His authoritarian heart is, for most of us, worn on his sleeve.
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Well, Pure, i intend to raise my children, and to influence as many children as I can reach, to be knowledgeable about sexuality, to be non-victims and non-victimising.
I plan to point out, in threads such as this one, in many other forums, that the difference between the fantasy and the reality is miles apart.
And really, that's about all I plan to do.
Why, do you think I'm lacking?
I plan to point out, in threads such as this one, in many other forums, that the difference between the fantasy and the reality is miles apart.
And really, that's about all I plan to do.
Why, do you think I'm lacking?
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There are a lot of underage fantasies around. But what a lot of us find objectionable is the idea than under EIGHTEEN is underage! Not all that long ago puberty was considered the appropriate age. And then law got involved and the inevitable happened - it got complex and OLDER. the first age of consent was 10 by the way.
But I think most people would agree it is the adult/child sex stories that raise the questions. I dont think there woudl be many 18yos that woudl appreciate being called a child.
But I think most people would agree it is the adult/child sex stories that raise the questions. I dont think there woudl be many 18yos that woudl appreciate being called a child.
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Oh, no? Everyone's always crowing about how they don't want any censorship. Not me. Censorship? Absolutely. Put a lock on things that certain people shouldn't have access to. But it's not age that should lock anyone out of such things. I believe that everyone should be forced to take tests. Intelligence, psychology, and a 5-page essay showing that they can recognize the deeper themes and symbolism in a work of fiction. Pass all these tests, prove you've earned the right to read and or see anything you like, and we'll implant a chip giving you access to any movie, book or internet site you want.
Age doesn't mean shit. Maturity of mind does, and if a 14 year old is mature enough to see an R-rated movie, they should be allowed; likewise, if a 30 year old is going to be morally offended by seeing a photo of a man with a whip coming out of his ass, or a crucifix in a pail of urine, then that 30 year old should NOT be allowed to see such things or even know that they exist. Why bother throwing pearls before swine? If Janet Jackson's nipple gets flashed, then a special V-chip should be able to block it from being seen by those likely to be offended by it. They should never even know it happened. And those of us who can take such things in stride--and be able to keep a secret, will get to see it.
Have I hope in hell of getting this new method of censorship into practice? Nope. But I'm willing to put the idea out there.
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everyone agrees with censorship - they just disagree with where it should be applied.
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note to stella,
Well, Pure, i intend to raise my children, and to influence as many children as I can reach, to be knowledgeable about sexuality, to be non-victims and non-victimising.
I plan to point out, in threads such as this one, in many other forums, that the difference between the fantasy and the reality is miles apart.
And really, that's about all I plan to do.
Why, do you think I'm lacking?
no, not necessarily.
to me it depends on how evil, harm causing, you think underage [child] sex stories, depicting children's enjoyment [according to the author's fantasy] are.
IF, for the sake of argument you agreed with mabeuse's analogy that such a work, which "lies" and fictionally depicts the victim's enjoyment, is just like a work showing jews loving to go into gas chambers, then i'd be puzzled if you also specified only talk to children and friends here at AH.
FOR, as happens in our city, when there is an anti jewish "hate" site, efforts are made by those feeling strongly, to shut it down or isolate its audience. indeed, even in some cases, questionable procedures, eg. hacking might be employed. if you think a site encourages killing those in a group, and furthers neonazi activities, then a minor infraction like hacking seems far outweighed.
at very least they publicize the nature of the site, embarrass it, take measures to disrupt its funding, etc.
so without referring to you personally, i'm puzzled by those cases where EXTREME views are stated as to harms, AND this hypothetical person, finding a site with LOTS of this material does not even send an email, or post a denunciation. OR in the case of a site with lots of good stories but an 'adult-child sex' niche, write to its owners and request the elimination of the niche, as is the case at Literotica.
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enjoying your postings, btw
Well, Pure, i intend to raise my children, and to influence as many children as I can reach, to be knowledgeable about sexuality, to be non-victims and non-victimising.
I plan to point out, in threads such as this one, in many other forums, that the difference between the fantasy and the reality is miles apart.
And really, that's about all I plan to do.
Why, do you think I'm lacking?
no, not necessarily.
to me it depends on how evil, harm causing, you think underage [child] sex stories, depicting children's enjoyment [according to the author's fantasy] are.
IF, for the sake of argument you agreed with mabeuse's analogy that such a work, which "lies" and fictionally depicts the victim's enjoyment, is just like a work showing jews loving to go into gas chambers, then i'd be puzzled if you also specified only talk to children and friends here at AH.
FOR, as happens in our city, when there is an anti jewish "hate" site, efforts are made by those feeling strongly, to shut it down or isolate its audience. indeed, even in some cases, questionable procedures, eg. hacking might be employed. if you think a site encourages killing those in a group, and furthers neonazi activities, then a minor infraction like hacking seems far outweighed.
at very least they publicize the nature of the site, embarrass it, take measures to disrupt its funding, etc.
so without referring to you personally, i'm puzzled by those cases where EXTREME views are stated as to harms, AND this hypothetical person, finding a site with LOTS of this material does not even send an email, or post a denunciation. OR in the case of a site with lots of good stories but an 'adult-child sex' niche, write to its owners and request the elimination of the niche, as is the case at Literotica.
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enjoying your postings, btw
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For the record, I mentioned no ages. The legal age limit varies from country to country and state to state. Here in the UK, the legal age is 16.
As for not considering yourself a child at age 17, how many teenagers do?? And again, they all vary in maturity, common sense, social experience. What is right for one is not necessarily right for another.
Just saying.
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But Pure, dont you think this question MUST take into account the age in the story? a 14yo having sexual intercourse in a story may be against the rules but it happens all the time. but a 4yo is a completely different story!
The age of the character is completely relevant to the relative morality of the story.
Im ok with the rules. doesnt fuss me but I am always amused by thie '18yo thing', the line under which what is perfectly acceptable and PROMOTED for over 18s is deemed to be not only wrong but EVIL. The absolutism is scary.
The age of the character is completely relevant to the relative morality of the story.
Im ok with the rules. doesnt fuss me but I am always amused by thie '18yo thing', the line under which what is perfectly acceptable and PROMOTED for over 18s is deemed to be not only wrong but EVIL. The absolutism is scary.
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My view is that the over 18 rule is to protect this site from any possible legislation against pornography in the US. There are many politicians and church groups there who would destroy all sexually-overt sites if they could. Having an over-18 rule makes Literotica less of a target.
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