Underage incest fantasys

[amicus]

WH...nice post, refreshing to see a little reason and rationality and reliance upon facts and reality for a change.

As I have mentioned several times, I participated in this thread with the caveat that I did so as an antagonist to those who seemed reluctant to even discuss the issue.

After reading many of the responses, I think there are a lot of sick puppies, both male and female, in dire need of deep therapy concerning childhood events that have shaped their adult opinions.

Part of it is the usual, if you don't like the message, shoot the messenger, for surely he is at fault.

I sense their is a great deal of repressed guilt that is just too painful for many to discuss in the bright light of an open forum such as this.

The left wing politics in America are inching towards mandatory public service until age twenty, wherein young adults remain under the tutelage of the state virtually all their life from pre school through at least two years of college education.

The societal pressures and moral imperatives foisted off by government continue to widen the distance between the nature of the maturation process and how the liberal agenda envisions future society.

Curious...


Amicus...

 

[Stella_Omega]

WH...nice post, refreshing to see a little reason and rationality and reliance upon facts and reality for a change.

As I have mentioned several times, I participated in this thread with the caveat that I did so as an antagonist to those who seemed reluctant to even discuss the issue.

After reading many of the responses, I think there are a lot of sick puppies, both male and female, in dire need of deep therapy concerning childhood events that have shaped their adult opinions.

Part of it is the usual, if you don't like the message, shoot the messenger, for surely he is at fault.

I sense their is a great deal of repressed guilt that is just too painful for many to discuss in the bright light of an open forum such as this.

The left wing politics in America are inching towards mandatory public service until age twenty, wherein young adults remain under the tutelage of the state virtually all their life from pre school through at least two years of college education.

The societal pressures and moral imperatives foisted off by government continue to widen the distance between the nature of the maturation process and how the liberal agenda envisions future society.

Curious...


Amicus...

 

[oggbashan]

You're so cheery, og.

Hi cantdog.

I just get angry at people who equate fantasy with reality. Or those who consider that technically illegal consensual sex between teenagers, one of whom is slightly over legal age, and the other slightly under, is paedophilia and equal to the brutal rape of a small child by a predatory adult.

I can imagine doing all sorts of horrific things with no intention whatever of doing them. I can write about incest and non-consent, or weird fetishes, with no desire to practise what I write about.

Underage sex is banned on Literotica. I accept that and I only post stories that meet Literotica's guidelines. Personally I have no desire to write about "innocent" children's sexual encounters. However, does writing about it encourage the actual act? If so, many current movies and novels should be banned because they condone and support excessive violence. Shakespeare and Chaucer should be banned for some of the things they portray.

The initial post that started this thread seven years ago seems to show an unhealthy interest in children. I would have ignored it then if I had been a member at that time. I don't like fantasies about prepubescent girls but I can appreciate that adults can play games with each other that mimic childhood "play".

Thinking is not doing.

But there are real monsters out there who do heinous acts - and rarely think of the consequences for their victims, or of anything but their own gratification. They are few but they poison lives.

If local police statistics are to be believed there are several hundred paedophiles living within a twenty-mile radius of my home. Most are only guilty of downloading child porn onto a computer and have never done anything to a real child nor are they likely to. The few who have abused children are hiding among those who only thought about it.

Og

 

[starrkers]

Hi cantdog.

I just get angry at people who equate fantasy with reality. Or those who consider that technically illegal consensual sex between teenagers, one of whom is slightly over legal age, and the other slightly under, is paedophilia and equal to the brutal rape of a small child by a predatory adult.

I can imagine doing all sorts of horrific things with no intention whatever of doing them. I can write about incest and non-consent, or weird fetishes, with no desire to practise what I write about.

Underage sex is banned on Literotica. I accept that and I only post stories that meet Literotica's guidelines. Personally I have no desire to write about "innocent" children's sexual encounters. However, does writing about it encourage the actual act? If so, many current movies and novels should be banned because they condone and support excessive violence. Shakespeare and Chaucer should be banned for some of the things they portray.

The initial post that started this thread seven years ago seems to show an unhealthy interest in children. I would have ignored it then if I had been a member at that time. I don't like fantasies about prepubescent girls but I can appreciate that adults can play games with each other that mimic childhood "play".

Thinking is not doing.

But there are real monsters out there who do heinous acts - and rarely think of the consequences for their victims, or of anything but their own gratification. They are few but they poison lives.

If local police statistics are to be believed there are several hundred paedophiles living within a twenty-mile radius of my home. Most are only guilty of downloading child porn onto a computer and have never done anything to a real child nor are they likely to. The few who have abused children are hiding among those who only thought about it.

Og

Thank you. You said what I've been tryng to (and failing dismally).

 

[amicus]

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I was wondering if It reading and writing about underage incest fantays..especially about younger girls....is as disgusting as I sometimes feel it is. I do NOT condone Kiddy porn NOR sexual abuse in any way of minors, but it is still a fantasy of mine....but not that I wan't to be WITH the girl, but that I wan't to BE the girl....so would writing fantays like that make me a bad person?

"...The initial post that started this thread seven years ago seems to show an unhealthy interest in children...."

Ogg, besides being apparently semi literate, I don't detect what you call an unhealthy interest in the brief post; quite the opposite, a stipulation stating opposition to abuse or 'kiddy porn', in that post over over seven years ago.

I do wonder who drug it up and why, but then, that is irrelevant at this late date I imagine.

There are real criminals among every society, Ogg, those who have no respect for the rights and property of others and scoff at any social behavior that gets in their way.

There is also a category of 'political criminals' so deemed by legislation and laws that presents another dimension of considering criminal behavior.

For example, I cannot justify banning of any substance for any reason and to criminalize the possession of such things like Marijuana or any narcotic substance; yet millions have been prosecuted and incarcerated for those, 'political' crimes.

The same holds true for possession of pornographic material, it is viewed as a crime in many localities. Within the terms of true criminal activities, I find causing pain during sex videos, bondage and forced rape, regardless of age, to be a criminal activity as an individuals rights are violated.

I recently spent a weekend with family, two little boys, still in pull up diapers and was amused to watch both, each with a hand down the front of the diaper, exploring their early sexuality as they ran and played around the house, the mother, my daughter, just shook her head, then told them to stop doing that.

Go figure.

Human sexual development begins at birth, actually before that, in the womb, the sexual persona of the new human is taking shape.

To even postulate that a writer should not explore early sexual development and take at face value that an individual arrives at the magic age of 18, in full sexual blossom, is just pure silliness.

Yes, there are criminals, real beasts among us and yes our children should be protected from them and even protected within the home from predatory children and adults alike.

I think this subject has been taboo far too long and that to ignore it is to ignore the process of sexual maturation, leaving the writer ignorant of the cause and effects concerning adult sexual behavior.

Now, there is no 'devil's advocacy' intended in that little exposition, rather just some offered thoughts for your consideration.

Amicus...

 

[tickledkitty]

After reading many of the responses, I think there are a lot of sick puppies, both male and female, in dire need of deep therapy concerning childhood events that have shaped their adult opinions.

"Sick puppies" because they don't agree with you? Wasn't that you, dear amicus, who was going on about "personal attacks" in a previous post? What is this but a personal attack? Though you don't mention names, you are referring to those who have posted on this thread, are you not?

Curious, indeed.

 

[amicus]

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Originally Posted by amicus
After reading many of the responses, I think there are a lot of sick puppies, both male and female, in dire need of deep therapy concerning childhood events that have shaped their adult opinions.

"Sick puppies" because they don't agree with you? Wasn't that you, dear amicus, who was going on about "personal attacks" in a previous post? What is this but a personal attack? Though you don't mention names, you are referring to those who have posted on this thread, are you not?

Curious, indeed.

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I suppose, TK, if you want to pick a fight, you can, over just about anything.

I implied no personal attack on any individual, but if the shoe fits...?

We discussed earlier that perhaps a quarter to a third of all girls are sexually molested in their formative years. As a result of that, concentrating just on women, that translates to perhaps forty million women, in the US alone that suffered some sort of sexual trauma in youth and may or may not carry that with them to this day in their adult lives.

One of my stories in the "Billy" series addresses a newly married young lady who cannot find sexual satisfaction with her new husband although she loves him dearly and wants to please him and herself.

My story, created out of thin air, total fiction, although based on psychological case histories I have read and personal anecdotes shared by others, addresses sexual abuse this girl had suffered as a child that she repressed so deeply she had no memory of it. Yet it left her incapable of exploring her sexuality.

As an aside and as a quasi political issue, I think the absence of a positive male figure in a child's youth leaves both boys and girls with a vacuum, a lack of experience that, too, colors their sexual maturation in later life.

There is another story in that same series that deals with a grown woman, raised with moral principles who underwent an abortion and in later life, could not deal with her action and suffered for it in many ways.

As someone who attempts to write more than stroke stories, I want to understand these aspects of human sexuality as far back as they occur.

Now, you can keep being a 'meanie' if you want, just get in line ifin ya wanna smack on me some more.

Amicus...

 

[emap]

I readily admit I am a pervert, I mean I am here after all.

The first poster wasn't so much saying I want to take a little girl into my bed, he wanted to be the little girl taken into daddy's bed. Not exactly a normal fantasy by any stretch of the imagination, but not a bad one in this case because he seemed against it actually. The problem comes in the later newbie who revived the thread. That one has problems and is either trying to live them out or is as I said, a submissive and wanting to find someone to take control of his life. Not sure if he wants a male or a female to own him.

Not to say there is anything wrong with a submissive, just him.

 

[amicus]

emap...this is not necessarily pertinent to your last, but something crossed my mind during the reading of it and others who seem to feel disgust at the mention of father/daughter relationships.

"...Electra complex... the desire of a daughter for sexual gratification from her father..."

Euripedes, the Greek, written about 418 BC, about 2400 years ago.

Thus...the concept or the thought or feeling, has been part of human nature for rather a long time and I doubt very much that it began in 418.

Rather than deny that some may have those feelings, perhaps an exploration of events and relationships might shed light on such things?

Why do some daughters choose men to marry that mirror their fathers, and sons choose a woman similar to his mother? Is it a repressed, guilty desire, or can it be dredged up and examined?

As Wierd Harold says...I have lots of questions...



ami

 

[Stella_Omega]

emap...this is not necessarily pertinent to your last, but something crossed my mind during the reading of it and others who seem to feel disgust at the mention of father/daughter relationships.

"...Electra complex... the desire of a daughter for sexual gratification from her father..."

Euripedes, the Greek, written about 418 BC, about 2400 years ago.

Thus...the concept or the thought or feeling, has been part of human nature for rather a long time and I doubt very much that it began in 418.

Rather than deny that some may have those feelings, perhaps an exploration of events and relationships might shed light on such things?

Why do some daughters choose men to marry that mirror their fathers, and sons choose a woman similar to his mother? Is it a repressed, guilty desire, or can it be dredged up and examined?

As Wierd Harold says...I have lots of questions...



ami

YIKES! That opened a can of worms!

A teensy bit of research reveals that Electra never wanted to have sex with her father-- she helped her brother Orestes kill their mother, Clytemnestra, who had plotted the murder of Agamemnon, and who was about to kill Orestes as well, so that her lover Aegisthus could remain on the Mycenaean throne. Agememnon was the brother of Aegisthus, by the way, and Aegisthus's story is an excellent little incest tale-- He was born of a father-daughter liason. His mother killed herself in shame, eventually... Tis the stuff of which soap operas are made!

But it does seem that people find significant others that remind them of their family. It's certainly true in my case!

Only-- my husband shares traits with both my father and my mother. uh-oh...

Seriously though, my guess is that we look for a life mate that matches what we already know of family life. Not that he or she is a copy, but that their compatibility, day-to-day habits, speech patterns, all feel familiar to us and give one the sensation that this person-- is family. I really don't think it has much to do with sexuality at all.

 

[amicus]

Don't mind Stella, folks, she is obsessed with the antics of the lovable Amicus and has been stalking me from thread to thread for months now. I have declined to answer her posts for some time, which excites her even more.

(She wants me!) Actually, that isn't true, I am merely just the latest intended victim in her quest to emasculate every Alpha Male she runs up against. Good luck honey, none have thus far succeeded.

Do your own Google on the Electra Complex and make your own decision as to whether or not it is applicable in the manner I presented it.

Amicus...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh, I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Euripides's play, circa 418 BC, was about a daughter's sexual attraction towards her father.

But we can do modern psychology if you prefer;

...It can be seen from this model that Freud's writings on the Oedipus complex in females date primarily from his later writings, of the 1920s and 1930s. He believed that the Oedipal wishes in females are initially homosexual desires for the mother, and in 1925, raised the question of how females later abandon this desire for their mother, and shift their sexual desires to their fathers (Appignanesisi & Forrester, 1992). Freud believed that this stems from their disappointment in discovery that their mother lacks a penis. It is noteworthy that, as Slipp (1993) points out, "Nowhere in the Standard Edition of Freud's Collected Works does Freud discuss matricide" (Slipp, 1993, p95). wikipedia

Further down that page is a pretty funny account of one of Freud's cases; Little_Hans.

ETA;

Why, Ami, do you feel I'm trying to 'emasculate' you? I'm not attacking your virility in the least, I'm challenging your intellect.

 

[starrkers]

One has to wonder about the virility and dimension (actual or imagined) of Freud's penis, seeing as he seems inordinately preoccupied with penis envy (a term I have always thought far more applicable to males than females, but that's a nother can of worms).

 

[cantdog]

My wife says penis envy comes into play when it's late November and you only have an unheated outhouse.

 

[Stella_Omega]

One has to wonder about the virility and dimension (actual or imagined) of Freud's penis, seeing as he seems inordinately preoccupied with penis envy (a term I have always thought far more applicable to males than females, but that's a nother can of worms).

From that same wikipedia article;
"Dr. Jurgen von Scheidt speculated that most of Freud's psychoanalytical theory was a byproduct of his cocaine use.[4] Cocaine enhances dopaminergic neurotransmission increasing sexual interest and obsessive thinking. Chronic cocaine use can produce unusual thinking patterns due to the depletion of dopamine levels in the prefrontal cortex."

I think that penis envy has its place in psychology; it's not a universal experience though.

 

[Stella_Omega]

My wife says penis envy comes into play when it's late November and you only have an unheated outhouse.

I get jealous when I watch you stick it out the window for a quick piss, that's for sure!

 

[cantdog]

I get jealous when I watch you stick it out the window for a quick piss, that's for sure!

There's a lot to be said for it as a handy nozzle. Endless opportunities during playtime, too.

 

[tickledkitty]

I don't think I've ever had penis envy. I rather enjoy what I've got.

 

[cantdog]

I've always enjoyed those things, myself.

I never envied them, though. Amazed, delighted, but not made envious.

 

[tickledkitty]

I've always enjoyed those things, myself.

I never envied them, though. Amazed, delighted, but not made envious.

Same here, only vice versa.

ETA: And generally on someone over 18 and not related to me.

 

[starrkers]

I get jealous when I watch you stick it out the window for a quick piss, that's for sure!

I must admit, envy does come into play on those roadside stops during long car trips...

 

[Stella_Omega]

There's a lot to be said for it as a handy nozzle. Endless opportunities during playtime, too.

Drive stick?

 

[cantdog]

Gawd, we are sooo off-topic...

 

[Stella_Omega]

yeah, well, what else is there to say on the original topic?

Shall we talk about penis envy? I've felt it off and on in my life. Freudianly enough, it tends to dissipate when I am feeling strong physically, and confident and 'in control' in my life.

But I have to say, there were some years when I'd wake up each morning wondering where my dick was.

A sense of humor, and a good top hat...

 

[amicus]

Typical diversionary tactics when you folks have been stymied with a concept beyond your comprehension, not surprising.

What will all the boy/boys, girl/girls, and bi's here, a heterosexual discussion concerning the attraction of youth is truly beyond your ability without the guilt associated with seducing young same sex victims.

No wonder you don't feel comfortable discussing the issue.

Toodles...



Ami...