UN Resolution 1441...

[p_p_man]

13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations

Nothing about going to war...

No "repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face a state of war as a result of its continued violations..."

Just "serious consequences"...

Perhaps Bush and Blair were taught a different kind of English than the rest of us...

The illegality of the forthcoming war

ppman

 

[Alvin Brickrock]

Do tell, what do you believe to be "Serious Consequences"?

 

[p_p_man]

Do tell, what do you believe to be "Serious Consequences"?

Well it certainly ain't war. That's "final consequences" in Diplomatic Speak...

Serious consquences are any consequences that can be put to bear short of war...

ppman

 

[Cougar180]

13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations

Nothing about going to war...

No "repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face a state of war as a result of its continued violations..."

Just "serious consequences"...

Perhaps Bush and Blair were taught a different kind of English than the rest of us...

The illegality of the forthcoming war

ppman

Paaaaleeeeeeezzzzzeeeeee.

You spend your minutes typing away at the defense of a world barbarian who will definitely go down in history as a ruthless, sadistic bastard of a human being???? Books will read...there was Hitler, there was Bin Laden, there was Hussein.

Get a pair. Putting a hole in his head would be the best thing for the Iraqi people. Go sling something else...your BS taints the room.

 

[Linedrive]

Well it certainly ain't war. That's "final consequences" in Diplomatic Speak...

Serious consquences are any consequences that can be put to bear short of war...

ppman

You must be in the same mind frame as Hussein, doesn't understand an ultimatium when given one. Your defination of serious consequences is off base.

 

[Xstatic]

Probably a slap on both wrists and stand in the corner till the bell rings...

It seems the UN never DOES anything!

Saddam has been playing this game for 12 YEARS now... first he says 'We never had any bio or chemical weapons', then he says 'F!@# you, you're not allowed to look for them' (kicking out the UN weapon search teams), THEN he says 'We've already destroyed them, so stop harrassing us...'

And now, it seems that the UN (or certain countries) is quite happy to let this game go on INDEFINITELY!

Face it! Saddam is NEVER going to destroy ALL of his WMDs unless it is done FOR him... and he will do EXACTLY what he is doing now for as long as the UN LETS him do it!

 

[p_p_man]

You're all conditioned by Bush's...

cowboy mentality.

Bush's America is definitely a lost cause...

ppman

 

[Alvin Brickrock]

Well it certainly ain't war. That's "final consequences" in Diplomatic Speak...

Serious consquences are any consequences that can be put to bear short of war...

ppman

And they would be what?

There's an old saying...."if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem".

Since you're so sure that war isn't the answer, you must have an alternative solution. Please share it with the world so we can have peaceful resolve. You will surely win the Nobel.

 

[miles]

PP throws the bait on the water once again.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Probably a slap on both wrists and stand in the corner till the bell rings...

It seems the UN never DOES anything!

Saddam has been playing this game for 12 YEARS now

Do I need to point to Israel which has been defying UN Resolutions since 1948?

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

And they would be what?

There's an old saying...."if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem".

Since you're so sure that war isn't the answer, you must have an alternative solution. Please share it with the world so we can have peaceful resolve. You will surely win the Nobel.

You obviously don't read many of my threads. But for your sake I'll repeat myself for the hundredth time...

Make Iraq a UN Protectorate...

ppman

 

[Xstatic]

Re: You're all conditioned by Bush's...

cowboy mentality.

Bush's America is definitely a lost cause...

ppman

Would you prefer that we all just sit back and let this butcher (and I DON'T mean Bush - HE hasn't deliberately used nerve gas on ethnic minorities) do whatever he wants?

Great idea... now that Iran seems to be gearing up a NUCLEAR weapons program, maybe we should leave it to them. Of course, there is the slight possibility of the Middle East turning into the 5th circle of Hell, but hey, it's not in YOUR back yard, now is it?

 

[Alvin Brickrock]

You obviously don't read many of my threads. But for your sake I'll repeat myself for the hundredth time...

Make Iraq a UN Protectorate...

ppman

He already is. What's your other solution?

By "he" (Saddam) i mean Iraq.

 

[miles]

Re: Re: Probably a slap on both wrists and stand in the corner till the bell rings...

Do I need to point to Israel which has been defying UN Resolutions since 1948?

ppman

Well, that about puts the final touches on pp going back on ignore for a while until he gets some fresh comedy material.

Hans, yaya, Kuntmode, busybody and lance all wish you a warm welcome to the shit list.

Later, peeps.

 

[p_p_man]

Your defination of serious consequences is off base.

The Resolution's definition is correct. And if you read 1441 you'll find it specifically states that after the original period for Iraq to declare and disarm its weapons the UN should meet again to discuss the "serious consequences".

But Bush, realising he can't get the vote he wants, ignores the UN Resolution himself, and rushes blindly into war in a fit of pique...

ppman

 

[Alvin Brickrock]

The Resolution's definition is correct. And if you read 1441 you'll find it specifically states that after the original period for Iraq to declare and disarm its weapons the UN should meet again to discuss the "serious consequences".

What was that original period? I don't have a copy of 1441 in front of me.

 

[Linedrive]

The Resolution's definition is correct. And if you read 1441 you'll find it specifically states that after the original period for Iraq to declare and disarm its weapons the UN should meet again to discuss the "serious consequences".

But Bush, realising he can't get the vote he wants, ignores the UN Resolution himself, and rushes blindly into war in a fit of pique...

ppman

I appologize that the UN doesn't write America's foreign policy, or dictate how we will defend our interests. I know you're M.O. and I'm bored with it, I'll leave you to play with the newbies.

 

[Thrillhouse]

Re: Re: You're all conditioned by Bush's...

Would you prefer that we all just sit back and let this butcher (and I DON'T mean Bush - HE hasn't deliberately used nerve gas on ethnic minorities) do whatever he wants?

Why not? We did nothing for 15 years. And why was nothing done to Turkey after they butchered Kurds? And why will nothing be done about Saudi Arabia, the country that funded the Sept. 11th terrorists?

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: You're all conditioned by Bush's...

Would you prefer that we all just sit back and let this butcher (and I DON'T mean Bush - HE hasn't deliberately used nerve gas on ethnic minorities) do whatever he wants?

Why not? America has let other, more ruthless dictators do what they want.

Why this sudden change of heart? Could it be that you've got a Christian Fundamentalist in the White House who holds prayer meetings in the Oval Office and firmly believes he's got God on his side?

Dangerous mix that...

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

I appologize that the UN doesn't write America's foreign policy, or dictate how we will defend our interests. I know you're M.O. and I'm bored with it, I'll leave you to play with the newbies.

Can't deny the facts eh?

ppman

 

[p_p_man]

What was that original period? I don't have a copy of 1441 in front of me.

See link in first Post...

ppman

 

[Alvin Brickrock]

ppman, you are a stupid person. You can't even argue one point.

You should try the playground.

 

[p_p_man]

ppman, you are a stupid person. You can't even argue one point.

You should try the playground.

I take it that despite your pretense at being worldly you can't be bothered to click on the link?

ppman

 

[Alyx]

The Numbers

I was curious, so I looked up the United Nations budget breakdown by country. You know, who gives the U.N. how much? Here's the U.N. breakdown in U.S. dollars. I found it interesting!

Canada:
Gross: 39,704,242
Net: 34,536,208

China:
Gross: 23,779,085
Net: 20,683,922

France:
Gross: 100,362,639
Net: 87,299,111

Germany:
Gross: 151,630,470
Net: 131,893,753

Russia:
Gross: 18,625,915
Net: 16,201,505

U.K.
Gross: 85,927,555
Net: 74,742,944

U.S.
Gross: 341,475,110
Net: 341,475,110


If the United States leaves the United Nations, it looks like some other country will have to belly up to the bar and open the wallet. Otherwise, the U.N. is going to be sucking wind financially. I'm sure the New European Union can do it, with France leading the way. I hope, for the sake of the E.U., that the communist party in France, which currently counts 20% of the voting public as members, doesn't take hold.

 

[Alyx]

This is what I don't understand

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From U.N. Resolution 1441:

Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein

From U.N. Resolution 687:

8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of:

(a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities;

(b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities;

10. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally undertake not to use, develop, construct or acquire any of the items specified in paragraphs 8 and 9 above and requests the Secretary-General, in consultation with the Special Commission, to develop a plan for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraq's compliance with this paragraph, to be submitted to the Security Council for approval within one hundred and twenty days of the passage of this resolution;

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Since Iraq has been, and still is, in clear violation of Resolution 687, should a cease-fire still exist? The cease-fire was BASED on that resolution.

Is the U.N violating its own resolution by not acting?

After going through these U.N. Resolutions I DID learn one thing. Never plow your way through weighty U.N. documents at 2:54 am.

Nighters, all!

~Alyx~