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Ukraine needs one more year to win, and Congress can make that happen now ​

Ukraine has a pathway to a military and diplomatic victory, but so does Russia. Russian President Vladimir Putin is amassing a strategic reserve in preparation for a spring offensive. He feels emboldened after his sham re-election to take even more territory.

Only more artillery shells and air defense missiles will allow Ukraine to halt Russian advances and turn the tide in a war that threatens its very survival. Ukraine wins if it can continue to counter Russia’s onslaught with allied support; Russia wins if the West fails to support Ukraine.
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The way I look at it is we are killing Russians, making Putins life miserable and trying out our aging military weapon and kicking the shit out of Russians in general and notice Biden is not telling the Ukrainians how to run the war, and not one drop of American blood spilled. Is that whats wrong with the fucking GOP morons like MTG
 
OlderFitterWiser said:
The west isn't producing ammunition or manpower as quickly or as cost effectively as Russia.

You can't send them what you don't have.

Have enough people not died yet, or will we wait till the last Ukrainian? Asking for a friend.
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For every round we give to the Ukrainian army to fire at the Russians they reply with ten. The Secretary of The Army has said we are going to triple the US production rate of 155mm ammunition but it will take time to build the plants to do so and even at that rate the Russian production levels will still be higher. We have to replenish our stocks, the stocks we've drawn down in Europe, Israel, and South Korea. Americans are not being told just how far behind we are at present in the production of 155mm ammunition and in artillery replacement tubes as well.
 
Rightguide said:
The Secretary of The Army has said we are going to triple the US production rate of 155mm ammunition but it will take time to build the plants to do so and even at that rate the Russian production levels will still be higher.
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We need to do this anyway. Accuracy and reliability of Russian weapons has historically been overstated.
 
desecration said:
We need to do this anyway. Accuracy and reliability of Russian weapons has historically been overstated.
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The bottom line problem is our ammunition stocks have been depleted to dangerous levels. To the point of threatening our national security and our ability to field a credible force. We have a lot of problems in our logistical military space. Don't kid yourself about Russian artillery it decimated our ground forces in Vietnam and it's decimated the Ukrainian Army as well. this is the US military view on Russian artillery systems:

The current U.S. military assessment of Russian artillery systems indicates that Russian forces have a significant artillery advantage along the frontline. This advantage is quantified as a five-to-one ratio, which could potentially increase to ten-to-one in the coming weeks1.

Russian artillery systems are known for their precision and effectiveness. The ‘Koalitsiya-SV’ is a self-propelled artillery system that uses AI to lock onto targets up to 70 km away, with a deviation radius of about one to two meters, making it comparable to a sniper rifle in terms of accuracy1. Additionally, Russian artillery practices in Ukraine have adapted to overcome challenges and achieve greater efficacy, with artillery being central to the Russian way of war2.

Feel free to click those links for more information.
 
The numerical advantage is nothing new, and during the Cold War we overestimated their accuracy as well. Vietnam was Soviet and Chinese gear which predominated mostly by volume.
 
desecration said:
The numerical advantage is nothing new, and during the Cold War we overestimated their accuracy as well. Vietnam was Soviet and Chinese gear which predominated mostly by volume.
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As it does today with better accuracy. I'm not saying they have superior or guided accuracy. They have operational accuracy and overmatch in numbers of rounds on target. Check that first link it will take you to an article on their accuracy and capability. I'm not blowing their horn but the worst thing we can do is to underestimate the capability as the Ukrainians have done over the last year and a half. There are WWI levels of death on both sides of that battlefield.
 
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