Two2Tango Troll

[Guest]

After you get your dick out of your mouth notice that on the second thread FeatherLight got "caught" on Literotica by MusclesBaby the same night she was raped. He sounds like the leading suspect to me.

 

[Purple Haze]

What I meant was what else is there besides blow jobs.

 

[DarlingBri]

Deepthroat--

You obviously are secure in your convictions and have taken the time to investigate your point of view. Why don't you want us to know who you are?

--Bri

 

[dza]

lol at PH. and Siren god bless your sarcasm, its a welcome releif

 

[TygerEyez]

Being new, I hate to put my two cents on this, but...

Why can't everyone just drop it? I mean, even if they did lie, who cares? It's not like what they do affects you personally, does it?

I feel bad for those that come to this board who have this happen to them, and everyone's so hardened that they receive no help.

Other than them, the most people post, the more stupid the reason gets.

Just let it go, and be a little happier.

Now, who's up for a game of Twister?

 

[Siren]

Licci...go find Mistress

 

[Purple Haze]

Oh come here Licci-Nicci and suck my Pricci-Dicci.

LMAO!

 

[TygerEyez]

Yeesh... sorry.

 

[Siren]

Well I find peeing to be a welcome relief.....

 

[Nicole]

Licci~Nicci, get used to it you are about to be completely and utterly ignored.

Have fun won't you

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

[Edited by Dixon Carter Lee on 05-17-2001 at 09:15 AM]

 

[dza]

yes, this is of the utmost fucking importance

 

[DevilMayCare]

What can I say, I'm playing with the quotes thread and keep running into little gems that seem perfect for this thread. How about -

Storing milk in a sieve, you complain of bad luck?

Afghan Proverb

 

[Purple Haze]

My grass has become the utmost.

Goodbye.

 

[Siren]

Licci dont get your panties in a wad.....

 

[dza]

go wack some weeds haze. later - dza also signs off, not that anyone will notice or care. (which is probably a good thing)

 

[TygerEyez]

Re: Licci dont get your panties in a wad.....

It's just the lets all play when we are in the middle of a discussion is not usually welcomed.

For that I apologize.

*gracious curtsey, and steps out*

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

[Edited by Dixon Carter Lee on 05-17-2001 at 09:16 AM]

 

[Siren]

Bull Lit God came from a troll

 

[Deborah]

Dixie, you are a load of shit. I don't know any other way to put it.

This is how you have effectively handled trolls ...

"PARTY THREAD! - That Stupid Annoying Bitch Naked Hunny Finally Went to Sleep!!"
http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=14416

Oh, I know who that troll was too, and why Naked Hunny got trolled. Didn't you uncover that in the effective manner in which you handled the troll?

I don't give a shit about trolls. I give a shit about THE TROLL. And the issues are not just trolling and fake suicide and rape scams, they also include voting fraud and plagiarism.

 

[KillerMuffin]

I do wonder if the individual that I think is Naked Hunny's troll is the same individual that you think is Naked Hunny's troll, Deborah. I've got rocks for brains when it comes to sniffing out patterns and similarities in posts. But this one, well, there was an obviosity to it that seemed to screech this individual's username.

*smacks head on desk*

Well carp. *stalking away and grumbling in disgust* Now I'm troll hunting. Yeesh.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Siren - It's 2656 if you're counting...

KillerMuffin.

We hypocritically talk about justice for those hurt by trolls. What about justice for the innocent sheep caught up in the crossfire? Just because they're stupid, mindless, and incapable of doing more than teeheeing means it's okay to occasionally snipe one down in the war?
Who is to judge what justice has happened? Who is to judge which posters are useless and expendable? Who is to judge whether or not there are acceptable casualties in this war? Who is to say that it's okay to hurt an innocent sheep because the intentions are honorable?

(I know this wasn’t aimed strictly at me, honey)

I would have to say that I don’t really care very much about justice. Deb does. I don’t. Justice isn’t my job. Room mother isn’t my job. I have no obligation to this board, or the people who post on it, except that which I assume for myself. Today, the job I assumed was defending Deb against some of the shit that’s been said to me both privately in emails and here on the board.

Many trolls and regular members offend my personal sense of right and wrong. I judge them the same way everyone else judges the things in their world – based on my own opinions and experiences.

Unlike Deb, I have absolutely no interest in stopping trolls or bringing them to “justice” (if there is such a thing). All I know is that some days I get irritated. Some days I don’t.

I don’t like the possibility of plagiarism, but I haven’t seen proof of that to my satisfaction, so I won’t address that.

Voter fraud pisses me off not so much for the personal attacks against me, as I do the fact that everyone seems content to say “don’t let it bother you” instead of addressing it. But, even that doesn’t drive my emotions very far in this.

And, I also don’t really care who does or doesn’t get hurt.

My motivation is strictly the fact that Deb gets the shaft while otherwise intelligent people defend assholes. I’m tired of seeing it, so I posted on it.

If a SHeeP gets hurt by something here, it’s certainly unfortunate. I never wish harm upon anyone. Maybe they will think twice about their personal survivor skills in the future. I explored this at length in the “Personal Announcements, Should We Care” thread. I don’t think we have to bubble-wrap or scotch-guard the world for others. It’s just life. The child-safe caps are off. If something I say hurts someone, then they need to give serious consideration as to WHY what I said hurt them. Is it because it was true? Is it because they have placed too much importance on some name on a screen expressing a harsh opinion?

I don’t aim to teach or avenge anyone. I’m just me.

We can't control or be responsible for another person's behavior, particularly online. However, we can be responsible for our own. MP can say that I'm not thinking. My opinion is that she's lost a little bit of her objectivity. Don't just consider Deborah and the service she is trying to preform for the board. Think about the mindless sheep as well. They have a right to not get hurt in the name of justice.

Not only do I agree we cannot be responsible for another person’s behavior, I don’t think we can be responsible for another person’s emotions. If an “innocent sheep” gets hurt over something I (or anyone else) posts, they can email me and I will engage them in private conversation and explore things with them. Otherwise, life’s rough – wear a cup.

You are entitled to your opinion on my objectivity. I’m sure that, from time to time, in the course of certain arguments, I’ve lost it. I would maintain that I’ve held onto it more than I’ve lost it. I do the best I can with my temper, my emotions, and my mind working in tandem. You find me the human being who does more than the best they can.

I say again that I do not support Deborah (or anyone else) blindly. I’m sorry if you feel that way, but if the other things I’ve posted on this issue don’t convince you, nothing else I say here will.

The reason I seem to have no problem with trolls being trolls and such a big problem with Deb doing her thing is that Trolls are the lowest common denominator on this board. Deborah is a better person than that.

Yes. We hold our own to a higher standard. Well said, and a good point and I agree with you entirely.

DarlingBri

Accusations like Deb's irritate me. Back it up, or shut up. I can't back mine up, so I have the good grace to stay quiet on the subject. Some people simply have a missing filter between brain and keyboard. We call that "good judgement."

You seem to spend a great deal of time expressing the fact that you are above conversations like this. You’ve yet to prove it.

Deb can irritate you, she can offend you, she can frustrate you by not “proving” the things she says to your satisfaction. All this I respect as your opinion and I see the logic of. However, I say she doesn’t owe you or anyone else anything. You’re entitled to your personal definition of good judgment. My response to it would be:

1. Know that I adore you
2. If you really are above such things, please don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out of this, or any other conversation to which your great contribution is: “So sodding what?” Entering into a discussion on the basis of insulting those people having the discussion is asinine and insulting to those of us in the discussion.

As you know, I do agree with you about people who post their personal laundry. I’ve explored that to death on another thread. It’s relevant because I guess it’s the motivation behind some of the view people hold on this troll issue.

Dixon Carter Lee

First you state I misrepresent you by “lazy reading thread reading” and then it was that I’m “a lazy thinker.” You say I’m not as bright as I think I am. Well, I guess that could be so. Let me let you in on something, sweetheart, you’re not as complicated as you think you are. You’re not over my head, honey. You’re not over A LOT of people’s heads.

You state I’m clever but I don’t bother to do analysis? Fair enough. You’re entitled to express your opinion.

You state that my emotions get in the way of my critical thinking skills? Yep. From time to time they do. I have emotions. I’m not a robot. More often then not, though, I’ll stand by my critical thinking skills even while in the heat of my own emotion.

You state that I’m “a knee jerk intellectual” and “somewhat immature.” Fair enough. You’re entitled to express your opinion.

Only…BUT WAIT. Because then you say: “How about that? I just categorized you neatly based on a few posts. Think that sums up who you truly are?”

See, with this nice little tactic, you get to call me names and THEN pretend like you were just citing an EXAMPLE.

See, Dixon, here is a big difference between you and I. You spend a lot of time setting up these little games which allow you to come back later and say “Tisk tisk tisk! That’s not what I said at all.” You post as though you are imparting your divine wisdom to us and teaching us lessons. When, the truth is, many of us see it, we just don’t care to engage in it. When you do this sort of thing, you employ all the subtlety of KR when he says “LOOK HERE” just so he can later post “HA HA HA, MADE YOU LOOK.”

My opinion of you is based upon the WAY YOU POST. It is the only thing my opinion of you CAN be based on. You have the singular talent of constantly presenting routine information like it was profound.

For Example:

I didn't attack any trolls last week. I satarized them. If you make a bully into a joke, he loses his sting. If you fight a bully by saying "fuck you", he wins. After a week of trying to turn a couple of trolls into comic book caharacters that wouldn't hurt a fly, I gave up, because more people wanted to say "Fuck you" and lose.

No shit. When you give over your temper to a bully, the bully wins. Wow!!!

Know what else? Not everyone makes a bully into a joke the same way.
Know what else? Not everyone cares about “winning or losing.”
Know what else? Not everyone defines “winning” and “losing” the same way.

Any more lessons for us?

You post as though you dwell in some cloud city of intellect that makes your satirical and joking skills better than others. Sometimes you ARE hilarious, babe. Other times, you’re not funny so much as you are pretentious. If you learned anything being a stand-up, then you learned that people laugh at different jokes at different times. Sometimes high-brow humor will play to a low-class crowd, sometimes the potty jokes kill in uptown clubs. The comic doesn’t make the decision. The audience does.

To be fair, maybe you’re not so much a hypocrite in this regard as you are simply clueless. I didn’t find Cheyenne or Siren funny in the times they went head to head with Woody. Makes sense, they were pissed. On the other hand, I found ProblemChild hilarious. You were also funny when you went after the Woodmeister. Right up to the point where you pulled up and started insulting people for doing what you yourself had just done in the name of “maturity.” You are not the sage of all wisdom and no one here is your child.

But, I suppose, maybe from your perspective, since your personal limit had been reached and no one was measuring up to your personal standards of satire, it was time for you to cease and then issue your royal displeasure over anyone who had the gall to continue.

It didn’t bother me that you walked on, Dix. I respected that a great deal. It bothered me that you participated and then stopped and criticized those who continued. I find it hypocritical. I now reiterate arrogant because you seem to think your “satirizing” is any different from those others who made fun.

This is my point -- Deb (and you, apparently) HAVE no interest in stopping the trolling, only in getting back at them.

I cannot speak for Deb. I have little hope or interest in stopping them. I have absolutely no interest in getting back at them. (They’re here, they’re queer, I deal with them) when I am so inclined. That’s all.

And, Dix, should you like to take a personal tally of how often I engage trolls, and how often you do – just over the 6 months since I joined – I welcome you to do so.

So, you use phrases like "hypocrite" and "backpeddaler" (did you? I'm not sure) where I use phrases like "grown-up" and "rapproachment".

Same meaning different vocabulary. I appreciate that you see a distinction. I do not. A rose by any other name – a hypocrite by any other excuse. It all smells the same.

You know, my whole life I've run into idiot men and shallow women who measure manhood and maturity by how hard a person hits. Think about a solution that involves more than kicking and you run the risk of being called "pussy".

More divine wisdom. This type of comment is exactly the times I find you condescending and pretentious. You want to call me and others “shallow” and “idiot” without actually doing so. You want to cut off the alternative route of being labeled “a pussy” before we even do so. And, once more, all you’re doing is saying something that is OBVIOUS as if you were stating the profound.

The Woody situation could have been made to go away very easily. In fact, it did go away three or four times, but was always brought back up by people who weren't finished kicking (or at least by people "talking" about kicking).

I agree. I said so to many people privately. But, since I participated in the kicking, I wasn’t going to endlessly berate those who were still going at it. Back on the “Wolves” thread, Whispersecret and I attempted to diffuse and distract with our own humor. The kickers weren’t interested. You participated in the kicking, you tried to diffuse and distract with your own humor, but you still want to berate those who are still going at it. You’re no better. You’re no more mature. You’ve gotten in the mud, too, honey, you’ve just tried to wash off harder than some others.

As for trolls that have been vanquished by a combination of ingoring them and satarizing them without constant "fuck yous" many were before your time but include womanlover, hell, and three or four I recall off the top of my head, though their names escape me.

So…1 that you can name. I’ll even take your word on several. I’m glad to hear it. I don’t think it’s a drop in the bucket of the ones that come here. And – you know what else – I think MANY of the trolls will never disappear because they are regulars. But, you try to vanquish them all you like in your own way.

Much as it may not seem like it, I respect YOUR intentions as much as I respect Deborah’s. I just object to the manner in which you present yourself more than I object to hers. It’s just my opinion, Dix. Immature and unclever as it may be.

Trolls are vanquished with time, effort, satire and a mature approach. Not one single troll that has been merely "fuck you'd" to death has ever let up. Would you agree with that?

I do agree. I also don’t care. (They’re here…they’re queer, I’m used to them). All I know is that you appear to try and do both, and seem to feel it’s okay to play both sides of the fence as long as YOU do it, but you want to “chide” those who don’t follow your oh-so-illustrious example. Your manner and your superiority irritate me more than Deb’s harshness. That’s just my personal view.

CelestialBody
Hey you.

Siren
I’m honestly not trying to illuminate anyone. Those who get it get it. Those who don’t, probably never will.

But, this one thing you said is the crux of my WHOLE position, and I’d like to thank you for posting it:

Where is your righteous indignation for the liars, fakers and manipulators?

THANK YOU, honey. This is EXACTLY what I’m trying to say (at considerably more length).

I don’t say agree with Deb or disagree with Deb. All I say is that when you start making HER the bad guy INSTEAD of those she goes after, you’ve LOST perspective.

Deborah
FALSE. But, as you know, it doesn’t matter to me one way or the other.

MY BOTTOM LINE –

I don’t want anyone to get hurt, but I don’t feel sorry for those who set themselves up for the fall.

I agree that at times I’m probably as hypocritical and superior as anyone here – Dix included. I have no problem admitting to it. He’s probably right in that I’m not as clever as I think I am.

But Deborah is NOT the “bad guy” in this situation. Much as she may confuse or irritate some of you. And I will defend that belief to the teeth.

MP

 

[DarlingBri]

MP

I am not above conversations like this. I merely have just the one point, made ad nauseum, every time threads like this one pop up, ad nauseum.

I am not above any conversation. I like conversation. Nor am I above being nauseated, in fact. Although I'm not as keen on nausea as I am on conversation.

I just don't like Deb.

[Edited by DarlingBri on 04-26-2001 at 06:12 PM]

 

[Madame Pandora]

Re: MP

I just don't like Deb.

YES!!!! AND THIS IS FINE!!!!

I just wish more people would admit, like you just did, that their positions have less to do with morality or maturity and a lot more to do with not liking Deb.

MP

 

[Siren]

Re: Siren - It's 2656 if you're counting...