I just saw, on the news, about the Santana School Shooting, and am just disgusted, just disgusted. Fucking sick! And now the fucking media has more to glorify for the youth of America to gargle on in contemplation, of how they too can be newsworthy.
Two are dead so far. I just can't believe that it happened again!!! :(
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How Tragic!
No one could have convinced me when I was a teenager, so many years ago, that a time would come when people my age would be killing each other on the streets and in the schools. It still seems unbelievable, though the amount of violence in every form of media, suggests we've become accustomed to harsh, cruel behavior. It is so tragic! Yet the conditions creating this culture of violence, complete disregard for lives of others, will not easily respond to efforts to change our world. Do we work on broken families, violence in families, television violence, a fractured economy that demands so much of families just to keep their heads above water, drugs used by so many to run away from the demands of life, but that spawns violence on our streets?
Its so easy to point a finger at a kid, a kid's parents, a school, its administrator. But the situation is so complex that the only response that doesn't demonize someone is sadness at the tragedy. My heart goes out to all the families in this community, including the family of the troubled boy who perpetrated this horrific act.
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No one could have convinced me when I was a teenager, so many years ago, that a time would come when people my age would be killing each other on the streets and in the schools. It still seems unbelievable, though the amount of violence in every form of media, suggests we've become accustomed to harsh, cruel behavior. It is so tragic! Yet the conditions creating this culture of violence, complete disregard for lives of others, will not easily respond to efforts to change our world. Do we work on broken families, violence in families, television violence, a fractured economy that demands so much of families just to keep their heads above water, drugs used by so many to run away from the demands of life, but that spawns violence on our streets?
Its so easy to point a finger at a kid, a kid's parents, a school, its administrator. But the situation is so complex that the only response that doesn't demonize someone is sadness at the tragedy. My heart goes out to all the families in this community, including the family of the troubled boy who perpetrated this horrific act.
This popped into my mind, when I heard about it...
Why would a parent not care about what their kids are doing to not notice anything was wrong in the lives of their kids?
A lot of kids hold their shit together through the cruelties of adolescense via the love that their family has for them, if it is shown and honored within the family unit.
Well, some people want to blame the music they listen too, society, pop culture that glorifies violence, and the like...
I will never point the finger about they why's and who's to blame, specifically, but I can't help but glare in the direction of the parents, for not having the daily concern for their kids that they should have.
We will never have to worry about *bratcats* chitlins raising hell like that..cause they know she cares about them.
I would never have resorted to this kind of shit, and I was a total social outcast in highschool. And I mean, people went out of their fucking way to ruin my reputation, and make my life hell. I am sure I have recovered completely, and although it hurts really bad when it is happening, I still knew my mom and dad loved me because everyday they made me sit down at dinner and talk to them like normal people.
My parents didn't have all of the answers, and they rarely got the whole story from me on much, but it made me feel accepted somewhere, and now that I have readjusted and have a fortunate and happy life. I am just so bummed for everyone envolved in this aweful incident.
Why would a parent not care about what their kids are doing to not notice anything was wrong in the lives of their kids?
A lot of kids hold their shit together through the cruelties of adolescense via the love that their family has for them, if it is shown and honored within the family unit.
Well, some people want to blame the music they listen too, society, pop culture that glorifies violence, and the like...
I will never point the finger about they why's and who's to blame, specifically, but I can't help but glare in the direction of the parents, for not having the daily concern for their kids that they should have.
We will never have to worry about *bratcats* chitlins raising hell like that..cause they know she cares about them.
I would never have resorted to this kind of shit, and I was a total social outcast in highschool. And I mean, people went out of their fucking way to ruin my reputation, and make my life hell. I am sure I have recovered completely, and although it hurts really bad when it is happening, I still knew my mom and dad loved me because everyday they made me sit down at dinner and talk to them like normal people.
My parents didn't have all of the answers, and they rarely got the whole story from me on much, but it made me feel accepted somewhere, and now that I have readjusted and have a fortunate and happy life. I am just so bummed for everyone envolved in this aweful incident.
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It is truly a sad state of affairs, but I feel that (equally sadly) the basic, natural, biological ability to procreate does not in itself guarantee or confer any meaning for those who become parents. Meaning and responsibility are expected of those who bring children into the world, and this meaning and responsibility varies from region to region. Beset by so many variables I'm dismayed to suggest that the latest event comes as no surprise. It is a civilised voice which attempts to ensure a decent upbringing for all children, a voice which is to be commended. It seems, however that the civilising process is far from complete ...
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When will it end??
I have to say that I just saw this on the news 5 minutes ago...I didn't have a chance to catch the news yesterday. I'm just sitting here stunned..again. My mother works in the front office of some local public schools, and at one time had such a fear and pain to even think of such things...too scarey, too possible. The year that the bulk of the shootings..two school years ago..I remember saying. Oh god, I can't wait for summer break. Maybe once it gets out of the news..the kids will have their attention turned, and it will break the cycle of madness. And, yes...it did work that way for a while..yet here we are again. All I can say is my thoughts are with all families involved. Just horrifying to think of, let along to be a part of. May we never have to address such pain as that in our own personal lives.
Another thought...I graduated in 1994...not so long ago. What a different world it is, already.
I have to say that I just saw this on the news 5 minutes ago...I didn't have a chance to catch the news yesterday. I'm just sitting here stunned..again. My mother works in the front office of some local public schools, and at one time had such a fear and pain to even think of such things...too scarey, too possible. The year that the bulk of the shootings..two school years ago..I remember saying. Oh god, I can't wait for summer break. Maybe once it gets out of the news..the kids will have their attention turned, and it will break the cycle of madness. And, yes...it did work that way for a while..yet here we are again. All I can say is my thoughts are with all families involved. Just horrifying to think of, let along to be a part of. May we never have to address such pain as that in our own personal lives.
Another thought...I graduated in 1994...not so long ago. What a different world it is, already.
Ally sweetie, and you said you couldn't put together a response that would resound....I am still thinking about it, and am pretty impressed.
I am clearly floored by the changes that have occured in the past 10 years. Cherrypop is right on, it wasn't that long ago that you could not have to worry about this. I don't get it but I saw it commin. I spent about 4 years hangin in my off time with the kids who are now just graduating. I mentored a few, and lost a few (2 dead of Heroin od), and seen a few get on their feet.
I was younger then, around 20-24, so I took my adult wisdom and my ability to relate and lent out my ear, and you wanna know what they all said their apathy came from...Excessive, and unrealistic expectations by their families, namely one particular parent, who was unaccepting of their faults and alientated them in some way. This parent would be highly concerned with how the child was effecting them and not how they were effecting the child.
This kind of parental selfishness is more common now than ever, as the truth of moral commitment pressures us to mold, and the social call for the wanton hedonism of the mid 70's. You can see it in music videos and you can fucking see it in the little girls department of Target...and that were the conflict between youths, themselves and adult culture begins, It is then carried out into the world when the walk out the front door.
I am clearly floored by the changes that have occured in the past 10 years. Cherrypop is right on, it wasn't that long ago that you could not have to worry about this. I don't get it but I saw it commin. I spent about 4 years hangin in my off time with the kids who are now just graduating. I mentored a few, and lost a few (2 dead of Heroin od), and seen a few get on their feet.
I was younger then, around 20-24, so I took my adult wisdom and my ability to relate and lent out my ear, and you wanna know what they all said their apathy came from...Excessive, and unrealistic expectations by their families, namely one particular parent, who was unaccepting of their faults and alientated them in some way. This parent would be highly concerned with how the child was effecting them and not how they were effecting the child.
This kind of parental selfishness is more common now than ever, as the truth of moral commitment pressures us to mold, and the social call for the wanton hedonism of the mid 70's. You can see it in music videos and you can fucking see it in the little girls department of Target...and that were the conflict between youths, themselves and adult culture begins, It is then carried out into the world when the walk out the front door.
Thanks G.R. ...
... just wish the world was a better place so I didn't have to dwell on such things. It isn't, but the dialogue here is helpful in its own little way; and I think it's worthwhile sharing views in an open-minded forum where we can hear different viewpoints. More importantly is how we respond to different views ... as there are too many occasions, as has been seen, when a 'reply' can be all too final.
... just wish the world was a better place so I didn't have to dwell on such things. It isn't, but the dialogue here is helpful in its own little way; and I think it's worthwhile sharing views in an open-minded forum where we can hear different viewpoints. More importantly is how we respond to different views ... as there are too many occasions, as has been seen, when a 'reply' can be all too final.
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riff said:It's a terrible shame.
I suppose if all of the students were permitted to carry concealed weapons, then this wouldn't have happened.
I don't know how to take your reply. Are you being honest or ironic?
If you're being honest, don´t you think it might have evolved into more dead kids if they all had been carrying guns??
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G.R. said:
Thank you...I've appreciated all you have had to offer, as well. As for the second remark I quoted you on...BRAVO!!! This brings me to a point I would love to make...just because you can have children doesn't mean you should! Anyone can be a father, but it takes a special man to be a daddy. The same with moms. If you can't give your all...don't.
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i think that you are all correct that parenting has alot to do with what happened...also that the kids that have been picked on, beat up, harrassed are being empowered by the easy access to weapons...not to be anti-nra here...but the guns seem to be alot more accessible then they were when i was a kid...i didnt know anyone who had a gun, or even saw a gun except on tv
what makes this even sadder is that the shooter had told people he was going to do it...his friends patted him down to check that he didnt have a weapon...if only they had checked his backpack
sad for all of us, and our kids that go to school everyday wondering if it is going to be them next
what makes this even sadder is that the shooter had told people he was going to do it...his friends patted him down to check that he didnt have a weapon...if only they had checked his backpack
sad for all of us, and our kids that go to school everyday wondering if it is going to be them next
eastcoastbaby said:
Excellent points....man I know I couldn't have gotten a gun 11 years ago when I was 16!
I am only going to say that I think I am never letting my possible, future childern go to public schools! I am gonna homeschoool them and let them pick thier extraciricular stuff, like sports or whatever...unless parents are killing coaches or vise versa, by that time!
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g.r.
the worries of being a parent are constant...my daughter goes to an all girl catholic high school, and you know what? it could happen there...the fears we have as parents are something our parents never imagined...
however, having said that, unfortunately we cant as parents wrap our children in cottonwool, but teach them to be savvy...and yes, how to hide incase of something bad happening...and she loves being with her friends...she says she doesnt ever think about it happening to her...i think about it constantly...sighing
but would i change anything in regard to her...no way!
i just love her and keep my fingers crossed...and know that ive done my level best...and yes, grinning, i let her listen to rap!
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the worries of being a parent are constant...my daughter goes to an all girl catholic high school, and you know what? it could happen there...the fears we have as parents are something our parents never imagined...
however, having said that, unfortunately we cant as parents wrap our children in cottonwool, but teach them to be savvy...and yes, how to hide incase of something bad happening...and she loves being with her friends...she says she doesnt ever think about it happening to her...i think about it constantly...sighing
but would i change anything in regard to her...no way!
i just love her and keep my fingers crossed...and know that ive done my level best...and yes, grinning, i let her listen to rap!
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HERE'S WHAT PISSES ME OFF
What pisses me off is that at least 3 people, including one adult, knew about it before it happened and did nothing about it. I think that they should all be held responsible for it, as well as the 15 year old boy. If not, the parents of the murdered students should sue them all for wrongful death.
What pisses me off is that at least 3 people, including one adult, knew about it before it happened and did nothing about it. I think that they should all be held responsible for it, as well as the 15 year old boy. If not, the parents of the murdered students should sue them all for wrongful death.
I trust the same, Shelby, and thank you. This has to be hard for her to bare ontop of her already existant pain.
I am glad to know, ECB, that there are, concerned parents, who love their kids selflessly, try to guide them, but allow them the liberty to grow into the individual that they are, in a comfortable fashion. I am proud of ya baby, cause I know it ain't easy, to turn your babies over to the cold, cruel world!
Hey Guydj, I didn't know that, what a fucking disgrace!!!
I am glad to know, ECB, that there are, concerned parents, who love their kids selflessly, try to guide them, but allow them the liberty to grow into the individual that they are, in a comfortable fashion. I am proud of ya baby, cause I know it ain't easy, to turn your babies over to the cold, cruel world!
Hey Guydj, I didn't know that, what a fucking disgrace!!!
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With this school shooting, and the new Government, does anyone think it will change the gun laws there in the states??
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eastcoastbaby said:
Guns are definitely NOT easier to get today. There is just less hesitation by certain shitheads to use them.
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They steal them, they buy them on the black market, and they buy them legally.
It is just as easy to steal them as ever, but it is more difficult to buy them legally, and I would guess illegally, due to the increased activity of the ATF in the past few decades.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a law passed (in my lifetime at least) that has made guns more accessible to anyone, especially minors.
The exception to this might be the 32 or so state laws which allow concealed carry, which isn't really an issue dealing with the purchase of guns, but rather their use.
They steal them, they buy them on the black market, and they buy them legally.
It is just as easy to steal them as ever, but it is more difficult to buy them legally, and I would guess illegally, due to the increased activity of the ATF in the past few decades.
As far as I know, there hasn't been a law passed (in my lifetime at least) that has made guns more accessible to anyone, especially minors.
The exception to this might be the 32 or so state laws which allow concealed carry, which isn't really an issue dealing with the purchase of guns, but rather their use.
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The gun debate is not an easy one, especially in America because of the Constitution. Here in Australia (which is NO WAY perfect) all fully and semi automatic weapons are banned, and the only people allowed to own weapons (besides the police of course) are those that are Registered. To be Registered you must belong to a registered gun club, or be a farmer.
Since I think it was 96 when a man went and gunned down 63 people killing 36 of them, we have not had a major shooting incidence. Yes people get murdered, but thankfully, nothing like the school shootings that happen there.
When my brother in law went off the deep end, he told the police if he had a gun he would have used it and killed his family and anyone who got in the way. Before the gun legislation in 97, he owned a fully automatic rifle. Because of the legislation, he had to turn it in along with his licence.
As I said, Australia is not perfect on the gun laws, but I believe when kids are afraid to go to school because they dont feel safe because of guns, then something has to be done. Which rights come first...the right to carry a gun, or the right of a child to go to school and learn with out feeling afraid?
Since I think it was 96 when a man went and gunned down 63 people killing 36 of them, we have not had a major shooting incidence. Yes people get murdered, but thankfully, nothing like the school shootings that happen there.
When my brother in law went off the deep end, he told the police if he had a gun he would have used it and killed his family and anyone who got in the way. Before the gun legislation in 97, he owned a fully automatic rifle. Because of the legislation, he had to turn it in along with his licence.
As I said, Australia is not perfect on the gun laws, but I believe when kids are afraid to go to school because they dont feel safe because of guns, then something has to be done. Which rights come first...the right to carry a gun, or the right of a child to go to school and learn with out feeling afraid?
PC, I think I must have been a nieve teen! I did a lot of rec. weed smoking, um and other stuff, so I am not that innocent, but I really must have been out of touch with they way things work with getting guns. I guess it might be that I never tried, too.
Besides, my parents didn't own any or anything.
Minxy, I am impressed with those statistics, and relieved that that law was passed, and that you are okay. It is amazing how twists of fate work. Amazing.
Thank you all for the great imput, I am hoping to have a better understanding of were these guns are coming from.
If I had one wish, it would be to take guns and bombs out of human history and fate, and then there would be no means of shootings or bombings that kill the innocent. Man, we need that wish fullfilled.
Besides, my parents didn't own any or anything.
Minxy, I am impressed with those statistics, and relieved that that law was passed, and that you are okay. It is amazing how twists of fate work. Amazing.
Thank you all for the great imput, I am hoping to have a better understanding of were these guns are coming from.
If I had one wish, it would be to take guns and bombs out of human history and fate, and then there would be no means of shootings or bombings that kill the innocent. Man, we need that wish fullfilled.
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