Turn rape into love?

[alohadave]

That was obviously Ayn Rand's fantasy. Yet if something like that had really happened to Rand, I'd guess she'd try to kick the guy in the nuts. And she'd have every right to do so.

i wouldn't take anything she wrote as what she actually believed. For all that her books were about self sufficiency she spent years on welfare.

 

[Bramblethorn]

The problem there is that Stockholm Syndrome might not actually be real. It’s never gotten into the DSM because the research is flimsy, it’s extremely hard to study and, most damningly, the Stockholm case which coined the term was a gigantic police fuckup from start to finish where the police put the victims lives at risk more than the perpetrators did. The victims had genuine reasons to defend their kidnappers in that case.

Further - SS was invented by the police psychologist who had been in charge of negotiations with the kidnappers, after one of the victims was outspoken in criticising his negotiation strategy. It seems very much like an attempt to protect his own reputation by labelling a critic as crazy.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Oh (slapping forehead). A major example which I completely forgot. The Magna Charta of 1215 had two separate sections (6 and 8) intended to limit forced marriage in England.

 

[AWhoopsieDaisy]

Depends on the situation. I'd say its possible if the innital rape was due to a communication error or a situation where someone tried to back out half way and the other was too far gone. That's still rape but not violent and consent was present at some point, one person just didn't consent to the continuation.

 

[MediocreAuthor]

Do you have any ideas as to how to write a plausible "rape turns to love" story? Or is it too sick too pull off?

I'm about to reference the first series I ever wrote, and it isn't very good. A fellow author called it "unpolished" which seems both fair and a little kind, to be honest.

But in my series Test Subjects, I tell the story of a man and a woman trapped in a white room. They are forced by their captors to commit sex acts, under the threat of punishment. Most of the intercourse is reluctance rather than rape, but there is one case in the last chapter of actual rape.

In the end, the couple [SPOILERS] does end up as a loving couple.

Is it realistic? Of course not. It's absurd in a number of ways. Was the story successful? That depends on your definition of success... the first chapter is the lowest rated thing I've written, but it also has the second most favorites (45) of anything I've written. The subsequent chapters are all 4.5+ so I guess it was successful enough. Almost all of the commenters were satisficed with the conclusion to the series.

I have another story, Fucky Friday, which features rape, where a man forcibly takes his wife sexually, then she turns the tables on him. I am proud of that story, and it is my most popular. It is also incredibly unrealistic, but I stand behind it as a good story. Of course, it starts with a loving couple and then introduces rape, and the love doesn't leave... that's a bit different, but I thought I'd bring it up, regardless.

So rape-to-love stories are definitely possible, as long as you through realism out the window. Which I honestly prefer when I write NC/R. I don't want my NC/R stories being too realistic. It spoils the fun.

 

[JohnSm123]

Just about anything can be successfully done in fiction. If I was writing this up, I'd probably have the rape victim attracted to the raper before the rape and the story would be centered on the afterward--how they worked themselves into a loving/accepting relationship after that. The question then would be whether the story could be accepted at Lit. Maybe so, as it follows "wanted it in the end" requirement.

Wait, are rape stories not allowed on Lit? There's a whole section about them.
https://www.literotica.com/c/non-consent-stories/77-page

 

[AWhoopsieDaisy]

Wait, are rape stories not allowed on Lit? There's a whole section about them.
https://www.literotica.com/c/non-consent-stories/77-page

It's allowed but there is some fine print. It's weird.

 

[SeraphNocturne]

Wait, are rape stories not allowed on Lit? There's a whole section about them.
https://www.literotica.com/c/non-consent-stories/77-page

Via Content Guidelines, it’s permitted, with restriction:

Ravishment/non-consent fantasies in which the “victim” receives no thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and/or permanently physically harmed/abused/maimed/killed.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Wait, are rape stories not allowed on Lit? There's a whole section about them.
https://www.literotica.com/c/non-consent-stories/77-page

From the FAQ:

Lit DOES NOT publish works of any type featuring the following content:

Ravishment/non-consent fantasies in which the “victim” receives no thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and/or permanently physically harmed/abused/maimed/killed.

Ravishment, nonconsensual, dubiously consensual, or consensual-nonconsensual fantasies involving real-life people, groups/organizations, or copyrighted characters. Literotica does not publish non-con fanfic.

In short, a rape fantasy where the victim eventually "enjoys" the experience might fly (heavily dependent on context and the degree if gratuitious violence), whereas a rapist fantasy probably wouldn't.

I think, to answer your original question, it comes down to how well you wrote the story, and whatever human sensitivity or empathy you might bring to it. If it's merely gratuitous, it's very likely going to be tasteless.

But in terms of publishing it here on Lit, you need to write it, submit it, and only Laurel will decide if she'll permit it.

 

[KeithD]

Wait, are rape stories not allowed on Lit? There's a whole section about them.
https://www.literotica.com/c/non-consent-stories/77-page

I have no interest in another running of that circle-jerk "discussion."

 

[Cagivagurl]

Is there a plausible way to turn a rape story into a love story? I heard something similar was done in an old TV series (General Hospital, the names were Luke and Laura), but I have never watched it, so I don't know how exactly it played out.

I once read a story where a son raped his mother, and then his mother decided she liked it and they became a happy couple just like that.

What about you? Do you have any ideas as to how to write a plausible "rape turns to love" story? Or is it too sick too pull off?

Rape is not a sexual act
It's deplorable, it is a crime of hate. Do you understand how many women's lives have been destroyed by it. Physically, and mentally.
The cemeteries around the world are full of women's graves who couldn't get over it, and committed suicide as the only way out...

The fact you think it could be turned into a love story shows exactly what sort of person you are....
Rape is disgusting and deplorable
Cagivagurl

 

[Winter_Fare]

The same argument could be made for any other horrible human act. Robbery, suicide, murder, assault, kidnapping, brainwashing, even adultery, all these thing scar people... In real life.

But this is fantasy land, not real life. These are stories, not biopics, not epistles or how to guides on how to live. A varied and vivid imagination doesn't make someone a bad person.

 

[gunhilltrain]

i wouldn't take anything she wrote as what she actually believed. For all that her books were about self sufficiency she spent years on welfare.

I can't find any period of her life when she was on welfare in the United States. The only time she was really poor was after her father's pharmacy in Russia (St. Petersburg) was taken over by the Boleshiveks in 1917. (She was twelve by that time.) She settled in the United States in 1925. Near the end of her life, after retirement age, she did collect Social Security and Medicare benefits.

I think she was quite serious when advocating minimal government programs. And: there are many people of later generations, and many people in powerful positions, who are pushing for that right now.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I have no interest in another running of that circle-jerk "discussion."

Keith, you're missing out on all of the fun. This is the Authors' Circle-Jerk Hangout.

 

[Rob_Royale]

I'm not offended by much, but the very idea he's suggesting is right up there. But then again Mr. Smith makes a habit of it.

 

[alohadave]

I can't find any period of her life when she was on welfare in the United States. The only time she was really poor was after her father's pharmacy in Russia (St. Petersburg) was taken over by the Boleshiveks in 1917. (She was twelve by that time.) She settled in the United States in 1925. Near the end of her life, after retirement age, she did collect Social Security and Medicare benefits.

I think she was quite serious when advocating minimal government programs. And: there are many people of later generations, and many people in powerful positions, who are pushing for that right now.

She claimed that she was justified in accepting the money as restitution for being forced to participate against her will, instead of it being an entitlement.

 

[SimonDoom]

The fact you think it could be turned into a love story shows exactly what sort of person you are....

Cagivagurl

That's uncalled for. You have no idea what sort of person he is. None. Leave it at that.

Nobody here disagrees with your characterization of what rape is in real life. But imagination is not limited by reality. Others' fantasies are not limited by your personal experiences, no matter how important they are to you.

 

[Cagivagurl]

That's uncalled for. You have no idea what sort of person he is. None. Leave it at that.

Nobody here disagrees with your characterization of what rape is in real life. But imagination is not limited by reality. Others' fantasies are not limited by your personal experiences, no matter how important they are to you.

You are entitled to your opinion...
Nothing more. Nothing less. You have expressed that...
Move on.

Cagivagurl

 

[SimonDoom]

You are entitled to your opinion...
Nothing more. Nothing less. You have expressed that...
Move on.

Cagivagurl

I won't move on. When Author's Hangout members get nasty and intolerant with other members, as you did in that post, I will call them on it. I'll keep doing so.

 

[gunhilltrain]

She claimed that she was justified in accepting the money as restitution for being forced to participate against her will, instead of it being an entitlement.

I think that was true. I was just trying to say that she was pretty consistent in her beliefs although, like most of us, she was capable of a few self-delusions. That social security justification sounds like it may have been one of them. I mean, hey, collect the money and then give it to one's favorite think tank! But, she's been gone for over forty years and we can't ask her about it now.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Well, let’s start by asking what ‘forced’ means. Yes, I originally used the term, but I mention it now because I think everybody will have their own definition.

BobbyBrandt for instance says we should, “differentiate the act of rape from non-consensual sex, whether forced or through other types of control or coercion.” That would, so far as I can see, mean that any event not involving a club wouldn't be 'rape'. Reducto ad absurdum then, four huge but gentle men holding a completely unwilling woman down (without injury) while a fifth penetrates her would not be rape. I’m not picking on BB, just pointing out how wobbly our individual perceptions can be. For myself, I would suggest that any major degree of coercion pushes marriage into the ‘forced’ category.

Historically however, there have been any number of cases. One might talk of the ‘shotgun wedding’, but we’ll look further.

‘Bride kidnapping’ was common in Africa. The ‘groom’ and his buds grabbed a woman and, posession being nine-tenths of law, claimed her from her family as his wife. Forcible sex reduced her 'value' to her family, thus reducing the bride price, ick. Over-simplification, but correct in essence.

The Bible records many instances of forced marriage. King Saul had given his daughter, Michal, as wife to David. When Saul changed his mind and attempted to have David killed, Michal warned her husband, who fled. Enraged, Saul forced her to marry another man, even though David was still alive.

The Roman legend about the ‘Rape of the Sabines’ is often said to have had some basis in fact. Faced with a shortage of women in the new city, the Roman leader Romulus forcibly kidnapped a bunch of Sabine women, giving them in marriage to his troops.

In waning days of the Middle Ages in Europe, money was shifting from the land-wealthy nobility to goods-wealthy merchants. More than one young noblewoman was married off to a commoner in return for settling Daddy’s debts. I doubt many of them went happily. Ditto for the political marriages of nobles across time.

In the Middle East recently, ISIS’s adoption of forcible marriage has been well covered.

The list is almost endless. On top of that one may consider that any arranged marriage has at least the potential for force if the society and husband in question place a high value on a husband’s ‘marital rights’.

I truly appreciate your restraint.

My comment was intended to target the motivation behind the "force" applied by the perpetrator of the non-consensual sex. With rape, it has been discussed that the motivation is one of violence against the victim more so than sexual gratification for the perpetrator.

This doesn't mean that a bunch of college guys taking advantage of some drunk girl shouldn't be classified as rape, or does it?

 

[Altissimus]

Is there a plausible way to turn a rape story into a love story?

CNC moving into Romance has been done quite a lot. I've done it myself. While I've had some comments saying 'not plausible', the scores/favourites/other comments suggest it was mostly enjoyed by the readers.

Not to be picky, but it does depend a little on how ardently you're crying 'rape' - which is banned on lit anyway. I think this is a moving boundary in the non-consent category, and it depends very much on how things are portrayed.

 

[Altissimus]

Any rational person knows that words like pleasure and love have no place when it comes to rape.

And yet 'rape' fantasies are still very common. Excerpt from "The Cambridge Handbook of Evolutionary Perspectives on Sexual Psychology":

Fantasies involving sexual aggression are very common. Men fantasize more than women about forcing someone to have sex. Some studies report that women fantasize more about being forced to have sex, but others have failed to find this sex differences. Still, more women than men report that the fantasy of being forced to have sex is among their favourites.

Personally, I regard this more as 'ravishment' or simpler dominance/submission than actual rape*. Rape is an act of violence, and in that way I agree with you Tilan - pleasure and love have no place in this literal definition. But in the world of fantasy, 'forced' sex, consensual-non-consent, reluctance in its various forms - these are all common enough forms of sexual escapism. D/s has been unequivocally popular since the dawn of time, and the lines are blurred between CNC, D/s, and forced sex. At what point do you cry 'rape'? Well, Lit seems to allow quite a lot of this stuff, but I think they'd take a very dim view of portrayals of non-consensual violent sex. I'm assuming; I wouldn't actually know - I don't seek to either read or write such things.

* note this comment is in the context of Lit. In the real world, rape is where someone has said 'no', and the definition is far clearer. I don't think this definition is so simple in the world of erotica.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

According to this line of thinking, people could justify any horrific fantasy by claiming it's just a product of their vivid imagination. So, why not endorse pedophilia as well? It's all just fantasy, right? And why not throw in necrophilia and genocide while we're at it? Where's the line drawn? Well, apparently, it's determined by the site owners, which, in my opinion, is way too broad.

I was about to post something similar. Their rules are inconsistent, to put it mildly. If it is all fantasy, then everything should be allowed. Or if it's not all just fantasy then it shouldn't be allowed. The way they allow rape with that minimal condition that there must be a sliver of pleasure involved is probably aimed to appease the needs of a certain part of the readership. To me, Lit rules look like some very arbitrary lines that are drawn as a combination of some personal moral stance, and the need to attract readers by allowing something that probably shouldn't be allowed.
To make myself clear, I think that anything that is considered a serious crime in real life shouldn't be sexualized, be it underage, rape, or anything else.

 

[Differentendeavours]

First of all, the question itself shows a complete lack of understanding of what rape is and what it represents.

That said, I feel kind of old being the one who remembers the rape scene on General Hospital. It was the beginning of the Luke and Laura period of the show which catapulted General Hospital not only to the top of the soap opera heap, but into one of the most popular American TV shows of the Era. The song that played during the rape scene soon shot to the top of the charts, as well!

It is hard to imagine such an episode airing today. No explanation was ever offered for how she fell for him as a result of it. It was appalling really. She divorced her husband, who went from being a good guy into a bad guy. Needless to say, Luke went from being a bad guy to a good guy, who would later team up with Elizabeth Taylor (a fan of the show, who asked to be written into it with a brand new character!) to save the world from annihilation.

It became a bit far fetched after that.