Turkey changes its name

[gxnn]

This country has become more and more powerful and even says No to Finland and Sweden when they want to make troubles by joining NATO. It may also become a potential rival to America when it doesn't want to sanction Russia

It would not like its name to sound like the main dish of Thanksgiving any more. Only that the new name of the country is not English at all and it might be difficult for people around the world to spell it correctly using the usual keyboard of computer or cell phone.

 

[pecksniff]

It's easy enough to pronounce, if you don't bother trying to figure out the phonetic significance of the umlauts.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This country has become more and more powerful and even says No to Finland and Sweden when they want to make troubles by joining NATO. It may also become a potential rival to America when it doesn't want to sanction Russia

It would not like its name to sound like the main dish of Thanksgiving any more. Only that the new name of the country is not English at all and it might be difficult for people around the world to spell it correctly using the usual keyboard of computer or cell phone.

Do you have a point in here? Or are you just trolling for a reaction?

 

[phrodeau]

It’s really simple to type Türkiye on a cellphone.

 

[PaxNurgle]

It ought to call itself "Kornishgamehenistan."

 

[pecksniff]

Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone from Constantinople, still a Turkish delight on a moonlit night.

Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople, so if you've a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul.

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it, I can't say -- people still like it better that way.

Take me back to Constantinople! No, you can't go back to Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople -- why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks'.

 

[tenyari]

I really dislike Turkey's politics and such. I could wax poetic on how many things I disagree with them about.

BUT THAT has NOTHING to do with THIS.

On the name change, I've no issues. I imagine they want it for the same reason Burma became Myanmar and we now call Canton Guangzhao - get rid of the legacy of colonialism.

The country has actually had the name Türkiye since 1923. They're just asking people to respect that now.

 

[Btq97]

Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone from Constantinople, still a Turkish delight on a moonlit night.

Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople, so if you've a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul.

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it, I can't say -- people still like it better that way.

Take me back to Constantinople! No, you can't go back to Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople -- why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks'.

Tune

 

[gxnn]

Do you have a point in here? Or are you just trolling for a reaction?

I do. It is clearly presented in the statement I made.
I am not. It looks like you are looking for some attention that you may not deserve elsewhere.

 

[gxnn]

It’s really simple to type Türkiye on a cellphone.

I do not find it easy to type that U with two points over it without resorting to other means and I do not know how to pronounce this German letter.

 

[oggbashan]

I do not find it easy to type that U with two points over it without resorting to other means and I do not know how to pronounce this German letter.

Say Turkey-Yay.

 

[jaF0]

What about BigGiantAssholeistan?

 

[oggbashan]

It is part of a growing trend. Most languages used to have their own versions of names of countries and cities in other lands:

England is not Angleterre. London is not Londres or Londra.

Germany is Deutschland.

 

[rockcasbah]

They’re just trying to skip out in their international debts.

“ hello, Turkey, this is the World Bank….”

“ sorry, nobody here by that name” click.

 

[tenyari]

Anyone who believes "those filthy foreigners need to write in English" even in their own countries and in how/what they name themselves or their countries has... issues...

 

[oggbashan]

Anyone who believes "those filthy foreigners need to write in English" even in their own countries and they name themselves or their countries has... issues...

I was impressed when the French President Macron gave a longish speech in English to congratulate the Queen on her 75 year reign.

And the Ukrainian President is as voluble in English as anyone.

Too many of our UK politicians are monoglot. The exceptions can be great but some only manage a few words.

 

[pecksniff]

Say Turkey-Yay.

But which syllable is accented?

 

[mayfly13]

On the name change, I've no issues. I imagine they want it for the same reason Burma became Myanmar and we now call Canton Guangzhao
- get rid of the legacy of colonialism.

The country has actually had the name Türkiye since 1923. They're just asking people to respect that now.

You're raising an interesting issue.

It's actually a later interest of mine, I lately became aware of how pervasive it is.
Billions of people act as if they are still British subjects, trying to live by worldviews that don't fit them,with buzzwords like rationality and responsibility and so on. I imagine that therapy offices are full of them, and they get further damaged by Anglo-colonial-minded therapists of all ethnicities.


But I don't fully grasp how using certain keyboard characters could change that, you have to explain it more.
imo -- Like it or not,English is now lingua franca, it's just about making easier for all of us to communicate. There are similar things - accentuated sylables or or characters that people don't use for French and Slavic languages, it would make it more complicated for everyone.

 

[mayfly13]

I was impressed when the French President Macron gave a longish speech in English to congratulate the Queen on her 75 year reign.

And the Ukrainian President is as voluble in English as anyone.

Too many of our UK politicians are monoglot. The exceptions can be great but some only manage a few words.

but--in the line of what tenyany brought up--
your thinking in this post Does sound colonial to me, ogg.
there's a feeling of the English gentile who is complimenting the baboos for their ability to speak his language.

English nowadays is merely a skill that anyone who wants to have access to or be heard by the international community - be they Chinese, Indian or British - needs to master.

 

[tenyari]

But I don't fully grasp how using certain keyboard characters could change that, you have to explain it more.
imo -- Like it or not,English is now lingua franca, it's just about making easier for all of us to communicate. There are similar things - accentuated sylables or or characters that people don't use for French and Slavic languages, it would make it more complicated for everyone.

Picture this mental image: You're a Korean in 1920. Japan has occupied your country. You can go to jail for speaking your own language, and you've been assigned a new Japanese name and again, if you use your Korean name: go to jail.

Now it's 1945 and you get your country back. Your language, and calling yourselves by your own name - that's extremely important to your sense of self. It's your community, it's you, it's how you reclaim yourselves and your sense of pride. It's how you say to the world that you exist.

Burma became Myanmar to say that "this is us, our country, we decide who were are, and we are taking our name back."

If I walked into your house and repainted it, and demanded you call it my "Tenyari-stan", you'd be rightly ticked off. Once you'd managed to kick my butt out of there, you'd want to tell everyone the place is "mayfly's crib".

So Peking becomes Beijing. French Indochina becomes Vietnam, and it goes on.

Asking Turkey to spell itself the way 'Americans want'... why shouldn't China demand the USA write it's name as 美国 ?

 

[jaF0]

Asking Turkey to spell itself the way 'Americans want'... why shouldn't China demand the USA write it's name as 美国 ?

"Academic consensus is that English is a world language, with some authors such as British linguists David Crystal and David Graddol going so far as to consider it the only one. Authors who take a pluralist approach nevertheless consider English to inhabit a unique position as the foremost world language; for instance, in Abram de Swaan's global language system, English is the sole occupant of the highest position in the hierarchy: the hypercentral language."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_language



Turks can call themselves MudDaubers at home for all I care, but in the world of international relations, it's Turkey. Dressing, gravy or no.

 

[mayfly13]

Picture this mental image: You're a Korean in 1920. Japan has occupied your country. You can go to jail for speaking your own language, and you've

Burma became Myanmar to say that "this is us, our country, we decide who were are, and we are taking our name back."
So Peking becomes Beijing. French Indochina becomes Vietnam, and it goes on.

good points. And I wouldn't mind adding a few more characters like stressed syllables on my keyboard to write Turkey's & other countries' names.

Asking Turkey to spell itself the way 'Americans want'... why shouldn't China demand the USA write it's name as 美国 ?

naaaah,
This would be about Chinese supremacy battling the Anglo one.

Why should I study Chinese in order to understand what those characters mean? Or study Greek in order to pronounce and write their country's name Ελλάς?

You guys are welcome to put them inTO brackets after the Anglicised nameS of your country, when addressing an International audience. Because I, a non-native Engkish can't be bothered to study yet another language

 

[pecksniff]

But which syllable is accented?

Does anybody know? This is important.

 

[phrodeau]

I do not find it easy to type that U with two points over it without resorting to other means and I do not know how to pronounce this German letter.

Press and hold the letter on a cellphone, âñd åłl šørtś ōf ôptįõńß áppęàr.

 

[jaF0]

Does anybody know? This is important.

No, it isn't.