Truth about the Bali Bombings

[Fae_Girl]

In Australia, most people realised evry quickly that the supposed mastermind of the 2002 Bali bombing was nothing of the kind. We didn't beleive what the Indonesian police and governemtn were saying because this "Amarozi" fool didn't even know how to make a simple pip bomb. He didn't know how to make any bomb at all. When he spoke, even the Indonesian people questioned in their newspapers the police clam that he was the mastermind, because he talked like a retarded moron, and most definitely didn't have the brains or the knowledge to plan any such bombing.

It would've been no surprise to find that Indonesian police were just corrput and finding a patsy. The importance of the SBS-TV report is that he was juist a patsy, the Indonesian military, police, and intelligence services are actively involved in creating the false image of a terrorist problem, fabricating terrorist groups and evidence out of thin air - because as one Indonesian general mentioned, they were getting money from the USA to fight terrorism. Therefore they needed to have some terrorism to fight.

 

[Fae_Girl]

Bad timing and poor taste. If you joked about the WTC attacks in the USA would people be happy about it?

yes, let's start a thread about jokes about 9-11. I can see that going down well. That Oliver Clozoff is a wanker.

 

[Roses_N_Lavender]

Reporters...
You goota love them. They'll write anything, fake anything, make anything up in a heartbeat that serves their political purposes and anymore, they're not even bothering to hide it as the only people buying their act are the ones who believe it too...
Like religion, you just got to believe!
Dude, the NY Times won't even run a story like that, so it's got to be from the far, far, far wacko Left!

Idiotic comment of the week above

Congratulations, you have put yourself in the running for being the most stupidly ignorant American when commenting about Australia and official Australian government news organisations.

 

[ImpWizard]

Bloody Hell.

It's being shown again on SBS at 1pm where live. I read about the whole thing in the newspaper already, but since I'm at work I've asked a flatmate (who's not working today) to make sure we record it.

So many people dead, and it was all so a bunch of corrupt cops and military officers could con the USA into giving them money to fight terrorism. One of those generals boasted on TV that they got 50 million dollars from the Americans, in order to "fight terrorism". They created the "terrorism" themselves and pocketed the money.

Fuck, I'm really pissed off.

 

[Gringao]

And equally there are plenty of oppositely religiously inspired nutballs that are ready to put large numbers of them in the ground based largely on manufactured reasoning to oppose reactions which in themselves relate to previous actions in an orchestrated 1300 year old war.

You only see what you want to see.

Perhaps, Woody, but I'm speaking to reality over theory.

 

[Silvergirl]

Bloody Hell.

It's being shown again on SBS at 1pm where live. I read about the whole thing in the newspaper already, but since I'm at work I've asked a flatmate (who's not working today) to make sure we record it.

So many people dead, and it was all so a bunch of corrupt cops and military officers could con the USA into giving them money to fight terrorism. One of those generals boasted on TV that they got 50 million dollars from the Americans, in order to "fight terrorism". They created the "terrorism" themselves and pocketed the money.

Fuck, I'm really pissed off.

It makes me angry too.

Already the government and the US-dominated corporate media in Australia are trying to distract attention away from this.

I've sent emails to all my friends making sure that they know about this and people can start to push the government into admitting the truth of the situation and start doing something about it, before more Aussies get killed in Bali or Jakarta by the next set-up "terrorist bombing" by the Indonesian intelligence services and military.

The whole thing stinks.

 

[Silvergirl]

Perhaps, Woody, but I'm speaking to reality over theory.

You haven't so far on this subject.

You've only shown yourself to be a nutcase without a clue about what's going on. Your first kneejerk reaction was the dumbest comment I've ever seen anyone ever say about any Australian mainstream news organisation, especially in regards to one that is a national government funded and official television broadcaster.

 

[Silvergirl]

yes, let's start a thread about jokes about 9-11. I can see that going down well. That Oliver Clozoff is a wanker.

I agree. If was a gentleman, or at least had some respect for others, he would never have said what he said in the first place. He didn't even apologise.

 

[Silvergirl]

The Captain gets it completely wrong again.

Read the article instead of gas bagging your typical (and ill placed) bullshit.

The evidence cited, including video, in the SBS documentary is incontrovertible. The fact that the Australian Federal Government under John Howard's administration is now trying to pretend it will go away, and seeking to cover it up just shows how fake the "War on Terror" really is, and how far John Howard's government will bend over to satisfy their Indonesian allies.

You've definitely lost it, btw, when you decide to criticize a well respected news organisation which in this case has got it completely right.

Of course he got it wrong. He's another arrogant and ignorant wingnut just like Gringao. They don't know anything about SBS, and just criticized the report without even reading the article in full, or knowing the credibility of the source. They knew nothing, and spouted garbage instead.

Just so they maybe are a little wiser in the future, here's what the site Link TV says about SBS;

SBS Dateline, which began in 1984, is Australia's longest-running international current affairs program. It has a well-earned reputation for authoritative and incisive reporting.

SBS is also world renowned as being the no.1 best in translation and subtitling of foreign language films and television broadcasts. They've got an extremely good reputation internationally - but fools like Gringao and the Captain would rather make dumb sillyass comments without properly doing any research because they're too lazy and ignorant to know such things.

 

[Gringao]

You haven't so far on this subject.

You've only shown yourself to be a nutcase without a clue about what's going on. Your first kneejerk reaction was the dumbest comment I've ever seen anyone ever say about any Australian mainstream news organisation, especially in regards to one that is a national government funded and official television broadcaster.

My first comment on this topic was a direct quote from the brother of the 2002 bomber and his insistence that the bombings would continue as long as Aussie babes pranced around Bali in bikinis, offending Muslim sensibilities. If it's bonkers, don't blame me, blame the Islamist nutballs.

 

[Gringao]

I agree. If was a gentleman, or at least had some respect for others, he would never have said what he said in the first place. He didn't even apologise.

All I can say is that at least the US went after the actual organization that perpetrated 9-11 instead of huddling in some post-modern LitCrit session to grind out yet another pompous, self-indulgent tract blaming people who had nothing to do with it and proffering the usual nostrums as a cure.

I can't think of anything more insulting to the dead than what SBS is doing.

 

[Roses_N_Lavender]

My first comment on this topic was a direct quote from the brother of the 2002 bomber and his insistence that the bombings would continue as long as Aussie babes pranced around Bali in bikinis, offending Muslim sensibilities. If it's bonkers, don't blame me, blame the Islamist nutballs.

Except that his brother didn't do the bombings in spite of the claims of the Indonesian police. The excuse about bikinis was made up garbage.

 

[Roses_N_Lavender]

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I can't think of anything more insulting to the dead than what SBS is doing.

Do you even THINK before you post this rubbish?

What SBS is doing is exactly what they should be doing; trying to put a stop to the terrorism by informing everyone that it's a mistake to fund the people who are actually behind the terrorism, namely, the corrupt Indonesian military, cops, and intelligence services.

Anybody who has had experience on the ground with human rights in Indonesia or its annexations has been witnessing this sort of carry on for years.

In Indonesia, the militia/military/terrorist: their aims are the same, their names are the same. (and their guns and explosives from ADI are the same too). JI was created 1978 by Brig Jenderal Ali Murtopo of Satuan Gagas Intelijen (KOPASSUS) to draw anti-Suharto peeps out of the shadows.

These claims on SBS aren't new, the TNI and POLRI involvement in terror has been around since before 1965 (check inth so-called communist coup" followed by Suhartos bloodbath).

Australia and the USA better start standing up to this truth: if they really want to stop the terrorists in Indonesia, they should stop arming them and stop falling for the con-job that is being perpetrated.

 

[Roses_N_Lavender]

There were suspicions about the Indonesian military's high level involvement in the 2002 Bali bombing published in the The Jakarta Post back in January 2003.

The article was written by Robert Finnegan, Jakarta Post Editor. He didn't say it outright, but asked a lot of very good questions.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=424

 

[Gringao]

Except that his brother didn't do the bombings in spite of the claims of the Indonesian police. The excuse about bikinis was made up garbage.

There's ample evidence that just this sort of thing is driving the wackier elements in the Islamist fringe to precisely these acts of mayhem. What makes you think this fruitcake is making this up?

 

[Roses_N_Lavender]

There's ample evidence that just this sort of thing is driving the wackier elements in the Islamist fringe to precisely these acts of mayhem.

Evidence? Where? What?

All you've mentioned is the rubbish mouthed off by one single fool whose own brother's involvement in the bombing is extremely questionable.

What makes you think this fruitcake is making this up?

Because that's the only possible conclusion when the claims promoted by the Indonesian police are unsupported by the evidence which they have cited, and that the brother in question hasn't the slightest ability in real bomb making.

The Indonesian police are widely considered in their own country to be entirely untrustworthy by the general public and the Indonesian news media.

They couldn't describe how the bombs were made, what explosives were used, what device was used to trigger them, or how the operation was planned. Yet, despite knowing nothing about the answers to any of these questions, the Indonesian police claim to have caught the bombers and the mastermind; supposed "bombers" who themselves can't answer of those questions. That fool Amarozi was used to make a video where he showed how the bombs were made, but as any one who knows anything about the materials that he was shown to be using in that re-enactment he did everything wrong. Experts even in Indonesia said he would've blown himself to pieces as soon as he tried to mix the powder. He knew nothing. He can't even describe how to make a simple bomb with gunpowder properly. He doesn't even know how to make a pipe bomb or any other kind of bomb.

If he doesn't know how it was done, and none of his "claimed" allies know how it was done, then it's pretty clear that he and they didn't do the bombing; they don't know how it was done. Keep that in mind. That's been clear since they were first brought out by the Indonesian police with the great fanfare of "We got the bombers". The Indonesian newspapers were suspicious immediately; Indonesians know how things really work in their country. Anyone who knows anything at all about Indonesia and the way things really work there would never trust the Indonesian police version of anything. They're corrupt. It's normal. It's part of the way things are.

What are you trying to do? Convince people that it's okay for the US taxpayer to pay more tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars for a job that isn't being done? Do you think that it's okay that this fraudulent con game continues?

 

[Cutie_Kitty]

I watched it too. It was an excellent expose on the Indonesian Military and BIN involvement in terror and bombs. It really lifts the lid on what is going on and the involvement of these criminals.
The Australian government must review it's attitude to Indonesia and any proposed links or co-operation with their military considering what has now started to come to light.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Oh great.

DonkeyDick has a girlfriend now.

Oh great . . . Silly Philly hubby not yet back from murdering Iraqi civilians??

 

[ImpWizard]

I watched it too. It was an excellent expose on the Indonesian Military and BIN involvement in terror and bombs. It really lifts the lid on what is going on and the involvement of these criminals.
The Australian government must review it's attitude to Indonesia and any proposed links or co-operation with their military considering what has now started to come to light.

George Negus and David O'Shea should be nominated for awards for this. They showed that real investigative reporting still exists in Australia. The rest of the mainstream news media have been acting like cowards in comparison.

 

[Lovelynice]

What are you trying to do? Convince people that it's okay for the US taxpayer to pay more tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars for a job that isn't being done? Do you think that it's okay that this fraudulent con game continues?

It's not just the USA, it's also the EU, Australia, a whole lot of countries have been conned into sponsoring and supporting this corruption with billions of dollars. It's a very successful cash cow.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Ohhh, the mother wheel in the sky keeps on turnin’
I don’t know where I’ll be tomorrow…

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

It was on TV A_J!

TV doesn't lie!

Gawd, you're a dolt A_J...

 

[Don K Dyck]

It was on TV A_J!

TV doesn't lie!

Gawd, you're a dolt A_J...

You said it SIN . . . you said it . . .

 

[ImpWizard]

Ohhh, the mother wheel in the sky keeps on turnin’
I don’t know where I’ll be tomorrow…

Aren't you the dopey one! Having no facts, and totally ignorant (as usual) you can say nothing but the irrelevant.

 

[ImpWizard]

It was on TV A_J!

TV doesn't lie!

Gawd, you're a dolt A_J...

You could only wish in your dreams that any of your American news media had such credibility. None of them comes even close.

SBS did a brilliant job of blowing the cover off the faked "War against Terrorism" in Indonesia, that has cost more lives because it's been funded by the stupid confidence of the USA, EU, and Australia in corrupt Indonesian police, military, and intel services.