Truth about the Bali Bombings

[Fat_lot_of_good]

LOL, Gringao has fought many battles with reality and in his mind he's won them all.

Wouldn't SBS be in huge legal trouble if they were wrong about this?

yes, they would be. Yet every time somebody's called them on fact at other times when they've come out with something very unpopular with government officialdom they've managed to prove their case in court. I doubt that George Negus and David O'Shea would risk their careers over this if they didn't believe it was true either.

 

[woody54]

Rense and a Russian Communist propaganda sheet. And I'm told my sources - the New York Times and the LA Times - aren't sufficiently reliable to persuade. Oh, the irony...

If I didn't know better, I'd swear you fruitcakes were Karl Rove plants, charged with the task of utterly discrediting the Left.

You are deranged.
How is it leftist to report a government conspiracy? Because they are not complicit in the plan?
The irony of your criticism is that when the Bilderbergers meet, major media are invited, not to report to the masses but to learn to context of the plans being made so reporting of events is managed in the most appropriate way.

If it was expected for media men to be independent assessors of unfolding events, there would be no purpose to their sharing the information of those meetings.

Independent news doesn't have that predetermination of how events will unfold so look for traditional truths surrounding events. There are still dedicated , honest newsmen out there, they just dint work in the vanilla PC Corporate mainstream.

I think its fucking amusing you use Karl Rove as a scumbag slur against non nut case rightwingnut dupes when so many of your own strongly held ideas came straight out of the conniving shit bags mouth.

 

[Gringao]

1. It is becoming increasingly obvious to Blind Freddie that the major perpetrators of the so-called "terror" are the minions of the Fascist regime in the White House . . . the CIA and corporate AMeriKKKa . . .

THESE are the people/entities with the unlimited funds to bribe/purchase the police and politians and influence to do their bidding as necessary.

2. BY "we can influence the higher-ups" you seem to mean that "we can bribe/purchase their support . . . even to the extent of "assisting" in setting up bombings to support the so-called "campaign against terrorism".

Gringao . . . the script for this Shrubya "terror" scenario was written decades ago by Ray Bradbury in Fahrenheit 451 . . . you should read it . . .

I have. Sci-Fi fan of long standing. Reality fan even longer.

I'll just cite your wild-eyed rant as just more evidence of the serious intellectual and ideological cul-de-sac the Left has gotten itself into. If the ALP and Democratic Party are to regain anything resembling popular support in their respective nations, people like you, Woody, Rob are going to have to be thrown overboard. The Left needs to clean its Augean stables of the lunatic droppings that are fouling it.

 

[woody54]

I have. Sci-Fi fan of long standing. Reality fan even longer.

I'll just cite your wild-eyed rant as just more evidence of the serious intellectual and ideological cul-de-sac the Left has gotten itself into. If the ALP and Democratic Party are to regain anything resembling popular support in their respective nations, people like you, Woody, Rob are going to have to be thrown overboard. The Left needs to clean its Augean stables of the lunatic droppings that are fouling it.

You definitely have a screw loose up there.

There is NO connection between this left and right crap you try to paint everything with and either an international religious pushback or potenial associated corruption in other governments.

It is this whole lamebrainer line of thinkung that has the US fighting a war for unrelated reasons to those promugated and in a State foreign politically from the fuckers you were actually mad at.

If the US had a Democrat in office next week, exactly the same stupidity will continue because it is CFR policy for globalisation.

By the time the public begins to wonder about the political hoaxes they live with becoming too obvious , a party change restores their faith for another venture down the same trail.

Then you will blame everything on the crony capitalists fuckers.... and the same policies will continue under your nose.

You really need a grounding in the real world view.

 

[Gringao]

You definitely have a screw loose up there.

There is NO connection between this left and right crap you try to paint everything with and either an international religious pushback or potenial associated corruption in other governments.

It is this whole lamebrainer line of thinkung that has the US fighting a war for unrelated reasons to those promugated and in a State foreign politically from the fuckers you were actually mad at.

If the US had a Democrat in office next week, exactly the same stupidity will continue because it is CFR policy for globalisation.

By the time the public begins to wonder about the political hoaxes they live with becoming too obvious , a party change restores their faith for another venture down the same trail.

Then you will blame everything on the crony capitalists fuckers.... and the same policies will continue under your nose.

You really need a grounding in the real world view.

Ah...of course, the CFR. I should have known. They're in league with the International Zionist Conspiracy, I hear. Along with the Bilderbirgers, Illuminati, Masons, Papists and Rockefellers. All gonna rule the world, I hear. At least that's what it says on the shortwave when we get our tinfoil beenies adjusted just right.

Well, that pretty much explains it all for me. Thanks for confirming my suspicions, Woody. I know exactly where you and Don stand now.

 

[Don K Dyck]

I have. Sci-Fi fan of long standing. Reality fan even longer.

I'll just cite your wild-eyed rant as just more evidence of the serious intellectual and ideological cul-de-sac the Left has gotten itself into.

If the ALP and Democratic Party are to regain anything resembling popular support in their respective nations, people like you, Woody, Rob are going to have to be thrown overboard. The Left needs to clean its Augean stables of the lunatic droppings that are fouling it.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, Gringao . . . you do have a rigid and irrelevant view of politics . . .

Haven't you heard . . . that in democracies that have compulsory voting governments lose elections, oppositions rarely win elections . . .

I cite the case of the unlosable 2001 Oz election where Honest Johnnie Howard was returned to office by using the age old threat of the Asian invasion and the "Kids Overboard" lie . . .

Methinks Woody and Rob, that Gringao has seen the error of his "logic" and cannot face the fact that his personal view of the world is incongruous with what is actually happening.

I mean, AmeriKKKan government propaganda says "The government will look after you" as they rip up social welfare programmes to pay the over $us 1 BILLION PER WEEK cost of the illegal, immoral invasion, occupation and carpet-bagging of Iraq . . .

. . . as 40% of the home service National Guard are "conscripted" to serve "on rotation" in the Iraq active war zone where deaths since "peace" was declared have exceeded the death toll of the invasion . . .

. . . as millions of skilled and unskilled manufacturing jobs are exported to low labour cost Asian countries leaving highly trained American workers to do menial service jobs only considered fit for the millions of illegal immigrants that flood into America to prop up the declining economy of the "American Dream" that has become the "AmeriKKKan Nightmare" . . .

. . . as Divine Intervention against AmeriKKKa in the form of Katrina, Rita and Wilma smash their way across the political States that spawned this Shrubya Fascist government in the "Land of the free" . . .

 

[Gringao]

John Howard won an election after 2001, too. Didn't he? About a year ago, as I remember. Even added to his Senate majority margin, right?

Whatever his failings as a PM, Howard is most blessed in his opposition. Only your fellow lunatics in the Islamist movement are more willing to self-destruct, Don.

 

[ImpWizard]

John Howard won an election after 2001, too. Didn't he? About a year ago, as I remember. Even added to his Senate majority margin, right?

There have been often repeated suspicions about those last two elections,due to timely "brown-outs" and computer failures - and right there on TV, SUDDENLY the vote results swapped around! Everyone watching the vote scores on election night saw it happen.

Whatever his failings as a PM, Howard is most blessed in his opposition. Only your fellow lunatics in the Islamist movement are more willing to self-destruct, Don.

The only lunatic on this thread is you. You've managed to spout delusional bullshit for post after post wthout any real facts anywhere.

 

[ImpWizard]

You definitely have a screw loose up there.

There is NO connection between this left and right crap you try to paint everything with and either an international religious pushback or potenial associated corruption in other governments.

....

Gringao has far more than just a screw loose, he's missing a whole hardware store full of them

 

[Don K Dyck]

John Howard won an election after 2001, too. Didn't he? About a year ago, as I remember. Even added to his Senate majority margin, right?

Whatever his failings as a PM, Howard is most blessed in his opposition. Only your fellow lunatics in the Islamist movement are more willing to self-destruct, Don.

Now you have become delusional Gringao . . . I am not in the Islamist movement . . . I am in the "save America movement", saving America from the Fascist regime in the White House that was elected in "unusual circumstances" in 2000 . . . and remains as a plague on the world ever since . . .

In Oz sadly, Beasley, the Labor Leader, is unlikely to become Prime Minister . . . but I have found very few people willing to admit to voting for Howard and the conservative Liberal/National "coalition" parties . . . in either 2001 or 2004 . . .

 

[woody54]

Now you have become delusional Gringao . . . I am not in the Islamist movement . . . I am in the "save America movement", saving America from the Fascist regime in the White House that was elected in "unusual circumstances" in 2000 . . . and remains as a plague on the world ever since . . .

In Oz sadly, Beasley, the Labor Leader, is unlikely to become Prime Minister . . . but I have found very few people willing to admit to voting for Howard and the conservative Liberal/National "coalition" parties . . . in either 2001 or 2004 . . .

Don, you should know you are either for Bush or for Terrorism (Islam).
Its the only way G can sort out who he should be attacking because he doesnt understand the underlying politics.

War mentality and lack of credible alternative policies does let a party machine lumber on in Australia just as it did in the US but it doesnt automatically infer credibility on the winner when the choices were of such low value to start with. This bunny or that bunny running the ship still has you in big trouble.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Gringao has far more than just a screw loose, he's missing a whole hardware store full of them

Yeah but he's got plenty of duct tape to hold himself together so THERE!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I have. Sci-Fi fan of long standing.

Well that explains your points of view right there.

Reality fan even longer.

In the same sense that Zack Sinclair is a fan of Mel Gibson...

 

[Cutie_Kitty]

In Oz sadly, Beasley, the Labor Leader, is unlikely to become Prime Minister . . . but I have found very few people willing to admit to voting for Howard and the conservative Liberal/National "coalition" parties . . . in either 2001 or 2004 . . .

It's due to the way the preferential voting system works; the most commonly voted as least liked is the one that wins.

 

[Gringao]

There have been often repeated suspicions about those last two elections,due to timely "brown-outs" and computer failures - and right there on TV, SUDDENLY the vote results swapped around! Everyone watching the vote scores on election night saw it happen.

HAHAHAhahahaha!!! First we're treated with a prediction of utter political destruction of the Wicked Howard Regime then, when that fails to materialize, we're regaled with wild-eyed tales of stolen votes, rigged elections, dark tales of conspiracy.

I love it...I absolutely love it. God in Heaven, I wish you drooling maniacs were here in America to help destroy the Democratic Party more quickly than MoveOn and associated nutball organizations are doing it. But keep up the good work in Oz!

 

[Gringao]

Now you have become delusional Gringao . . . I am not in the Islamist movement . . . I am in the "save America movement", saving America from the Fascist regime in the White House that was elected in "unusual circumstances" in 2000 . . . and remains as a plague on the world ever since . . .

In Oz sadly, Beasley, the Labor Leader, is unlikely to become Prime Minister . . . but I have found very few people willing to admit to voting for Howard and the conservative Liberal/National "coalition" parties . . . in either 2001 or 2004 . . .

I know you're not in the Islamist movement, Dickhead. You're just a cheerleader that thinks he's the guy carrying the ball. You're pals with the Islamists, as I accurately pointed out...a freelance apologist.

No shit that the ALP is on its way to political obscurity. When it picks emotionally disturbed kooks like Mark Latham for its PM candidate, you know the talent pool is pretty shallow. It's drawing off of folks like you.

 

[Gringao]

It's due to the way the preferential voting system works; the most commonly voted as least liked is the one that wins.

Behold the "reality-based" community.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I know you're not in the Islamist movement, Dickhead. You're just a cheerleader that thinks he's the guy carrying the ball. You're pals with the Islamists, as I accurately pointed out...a freelance apologist.

No shit that the ALP is on its way to political obscurity. When it picks emotionally disturbed kooks like Mark Latham for its PM candidate, you know the talent pool is pretty shallow. It's drawing off of folks like you.

Speaking of kooks, how's that kook Michael Badnarik doing lately? You know, the Jimmy Carter-supporting anti war kook that you voted for?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Behold the "reality-based" community.

She'd have to snort crack cocaine for a week straight to be as far removed from reality as you are.

 

[Gringao]

Speaking of kooks, how's that kook Michael Badnarik doing lately? You know, the Jimmy Carter-supporting anti war kook that you voted for?

Sinking into the obscurity from which he came, I'm sure. How's Bush, the guy you voted for?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Sinking into the obscurity from which he came, I'm sure. How's Bush, the guy you voted for?

I voted for Kerry. As penance for voting for Bush the first time around.

 

[Gringao]

I voted for Kerry. As penance for voting for Bush the first time around.

So you're trying to say that you're responsible for Bush invading Afghanistan AND Iraq, right? Is that what you're saying here?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

So you're trying to say that you're responsible for Bush invading Afghanistan AND Iraq, right? Is that what you're saying here?

I'm saying I voted for him the first time before I found out he lied about Iraq.

Or is it now a sin on that lonely planet Gringao to support someone and then turn against them when they turn out to be a schmuck later on?

 

[Gringao]

I'm saying I voted for him the first time before I found out he lied about Iraq.

Or is it now a sin on that lonely planet Gringao to support someone and then turn against them when they turn out to be a schmuck later on?

I thought that voting for someone made you an iron-clad follower of all of his views, known and unknown. Is that not now the case?

 

[woody54]

I thought that voting for someone made you an iron-clad follower of all of his views, known and unknown. Is that not now the case?

No , you are confusing your own blind obedient pattern of political support.

You wouldn't recognise another case if it fell on your head. it would still be wrong.