Trumpers are flying the black flag

[pecksniff]

Which is curious, because historically, the black flag is the flag of leftist anarchism.

Article.

Steve Bannon, Trump's former campaign chairman and White House strategist, has now threatened to recruit Republican-fascist "shock troops" with the apparent goal of undermining the U.S. government, and by implication multiracial democracy, if and when Trump and the Republicans regain control of both Congress and the White House.

On a daily basis Fox News and other elements of the right-wing disinformation propaganda machine use stochastic terrorism and other techniques to radicalize their audience into committing acts of political violence. To this point, the Democratic Party and the political and news media class in general have remained in denial, and largely passive in response.

In one troubling new development, Trump supporters have begun flying all-black American flags, in an implicit threat to harm or kill their opponents — meaning nonwhite people, "socialist liberals," Muslims, vaccinated people and others deemed to be "enemies" of "real America." As media critic Eric Boehlert recently noted, the liberal opinion site Living Blue in Texas is sounding the alarm about the specific meaning of the black flag and the Republican-fascists support for terrorism and other political violence. That post, "Are Your Republican Neighbors Planning on Killing You?", merits lengthy quotation:

t didn't take long to find hundreds of videos where these Trumpers and so-called patriots were hanging black American flags. ...

Black American flags are the flags that mean "no quarter shall be given." They are the opposite of the white flag of surrender.

According to the people on TikTok and the Sun (British tabloid), the black American flag originated in the civil war and was flown by the Confederates.

It means that they will not surrender, will not take prisoners, and are willing to die for their cause. It means they will execute their enemies.

Who are their enemies? Pretty much any non-Conservative. You know, Democrats, Liberals, LGBTQ, BIPOC, and the vaccinated. ...

So, we're the enemy, and they're openly professing to want to execute us. … So, why are they doing this
Covid vaccinations, mostly. They believe that Joe Biden has declared a civil war on them by mandating that employers with over 100 employees and the military have vaccinations. . . .

However you interpret these videos posted by Trump followers and other neofascists — which could be mainly performative — it is clearly true that the American right is increasingly willing to accept or condone violence as a means of expanding and protecting their social and political power. (Salon did not find licensed news photographs of these flags, and has made the editorial decision not to reproduce the images mentioned above, which are easy to find on social media.)

Public opinion polls and other research have repeatedly shown that millions of Republican voters and Trump followers would support the use of violence to remove Joe Biden from office because of the "Big Lie" and their belief that that he is not a legitimate president. Similarly, a large proportion of Republicans believe that the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 were "patriots" whose use of violence was justified.

 

[adrina]

With continual anti-government propaganda, is there really a surprise here?

 

[pecksniff]

With continual anti-government propaganda, is there really a surprise here?

Well, it does seem to raise it to a new and fiercer level -- "no quarter."

 

[The_Trouvere]

For the record I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and for Joe Biden in 2020.

Nevertheless, the violence caused to date by the Trumpers has been much less costly than the estimated two billion dollars in damages that was caused by the "mainly peaceful protests against racial injustice" that followed the death of a man who had resisted arrest, and who had several felony convictions, and several illegitimate children he did nothing to support.

 

[CornusKousa]

Which is curious, because historically, the black flag is the flag of leftist anarchism.

Anarchism is partisan left or right the same way atheism is a religious denomination.

It's really not left or right.

 

[BBW_T&A_Lover]

Which is curious, because historically, the black flag is the flag of leftist anarchism.

Are you surprised? I've never seen such hypocrisy from any group. Lefties are racist? Lefties want fascism and dictatorship.

FUCK ALL OF THEM. I just pray the orange queen dies soon to cause them to go into chaos.

 

[pecksniff]

Anarchism is partisan left or right the same way atheism is a religious denomination.

It's really not left or right.

Well, no. Anarchism is not a more extreme form of libertarianism -- it differs fundamentally from American libertarianism in that it is a European leftist tradition closely associated with Marxism.

In a nutshell, libertarians oppose the state because they see it as a threat to private property, and anarchists oppose the state because they see it as a guardian of private property.

And then there are AnCaps, of whom the less said the better.

 

[pecksniff]

I just pray the orange queen dies soon to cause them to go into chaos.

That won't necessarily solve the problem. The existence of nationalist populism is the problem. Perot's Reform Party morphed into the Tea Partiers, who morphed into the Trumpers, who will find some other iteration after he passes from the scene.

 

[adrina]

For the record I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and for Joe Biden in 2020.

Nevertheless, the violence caused to date by the Trumpers has been much less costly than the estimated two billion dollars in damages that was caused by the "mainly peaceful protests against racial injustice" that followed the death of a man who had resisted arrest, and who had several felony convictions, and several illegitimate children he did nothing to support.

I appreciate your points. However I must offer two considerations.

1. The material damage vs the collateral damage to the country by the Trumpers. Hard to gauge but must be considered. How does one measure the cost of extremism and misinformation? Whether it be blown up abortion clinics or FB posts that make people believe the covid vaccine will kill them? I wouldn't want to be the underwriter for those.

2. The millions and billions and (equivalent) trillions gained by the USA as a result of slave labor. How much are we losing from (essentially) race riots that we gained by slave labor?

 

[pecksniff]

I appreciate your points. However I must offer two considerations.

1. The material damage vs the collateral damage to the country by the Trumpers. Hard to gauge but must be considered. How does one measure the cost of extremism and misinformation? Whether it be blown up abortion clinics or FB posts that make people believe the covid vaccine will kill them? I wouldn't want to be the underwriter for those.

2. The millions and billions and (equivalent) trillions gained by the USA as a result of slave labor. How much are we losing from (essentially) race riots that we gained by slave labor?

You must understand that Trouvere is the kind of racist who still buys the old racial pseudoscience.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Well, it does seem to raise it to a new and fiercer level -- "no quarter."

Don't worry, Pecky, i'll make sure you're treated well in detention.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Well, no. Anarchism is not a more extreme form of libertarianism -- it differs fundamentally from American libertarianism in that it is a European leftist tradition closely associated with Marxism.

In a nutshell, libertarians oppose the state because they see it as a threat to private property, and anarchists oppose the state because they see it as a guardian of private property.

And then there are AnCaps, of whom the less said the better.

Pecky's "anarchists" are big-government anarchists.

 

[Dribble]

You must understand that Trouvere is the kind of racist who still buys the old racial pseudoscience.

And the kind that lies. No fucking way he voted for Hillary

 

[The_Trouvere]

I appreciate your points. However I must offer two considerations.

1. The material damage vs the collateral damage to the country by the Trumpers. Hard to gauge but must be considered. How does one measure the cost of extremism and misinformation? Whether it be blown up abortion clinics or FB posts that make people believe the covid vaccine will kill them? I wouldn't want to be the underwriter for those.

2. The millions and billions and (equivalent) trillions gained by the USA as a result of slave labor. How much are we losing from (essentially) race riots that we gained by slave labor?

Negro slavery benefited those rich enough to own slaves at the expense of those not rich enough. Immediately prior to the Civil War a young, healthy, male slave could cost as much as one thousand dollars. To give and example of what that was worth back then, during the Civil War Union privates were paid $130 a month.

In slave states family farms could not compete with plantations. Every skilled trade and every profession paid less in slave states than in free states. The great majority of European immigrants traveled to free states, rather than slave states, because the free states were where the economic opportunities were. These included one of my ancestors who fought in the Union Army during the Civil War.

The South has always been the backwater of the United States. The industrial revolution happened in the North. The computer revolution is happening on the west coast.

It cannot be said that whites owe blacks anything for the unpaid labor of their slave ancestors. Without those blacks the crime rate in the United States would be much lower. The cost of our criminal justice and welfare systems would be much lower. On the other hand American Negroes tend to be more prosperous and in better health than African Negroes.

 

[pecksniff]

On the other hand American Negroes tend to be more prosperous and in better health than African Negroes.

What else would you expect of people who live in a First World country?

 

[adrina]

Negro slavery benefited those rich enough to own slaves at the expense of those not rich enough. Immediately prior to the Civil War a young, healthy, male slave could cost as much as one thousand dollars. To give and example of what that was worth back then, during the Civil War Union privates were paid $130 a month.

In slave states family farms could not compete with plantations. Every skilled trade and every profession paid less in slave states than in free states. The great majority of European immigrants traveled to free states, rather than slave states, because the free states were where the economic opportunities were. These included one of my ancestors who fought in the Union Army during the Civil War.

The South has always been the backwater of the United States. The industrial revolution happened in the North. The computer revolution is happening on the west coast.

It cannot be said that whites owe blacks anything for the unpaid labor of their slave ancestors. Without those blacks the crime rate in the United States would be much lower. The cost of our criminal justice and welfare systems would be much lower. On the other hand American Negroes tend to be more prosperous and in better health than African Negroes.

Okay then... thanks for clarifying your position and the complete dismissal of what I said.

I'll make sure to give your perspective all due consideration.

 

[The_Trouvere]

You must understand that Trouvere is the kind of racist who still buys the old racial pseudoscience.

What is pseudo about it? After the revelations of the Holocaust fewer people in the West wanted to believe that racial differences mattered, or that they even existed. Nevertheless, durable evidence of those differences has persisted. It is ironic that the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence has led to the belief that there are no inferior races. Of course, when I discuss superior and inferior races I discuss average differences and different tendencies, not absolute differences.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

You must understand that Trouvere is the kind of racist who still buys the old racial pseudoscience.

Kinda reminds me of the racism of Kristen Clarke, no?

 

[The_Trouvere]

What else would you expect of people who live in a First World country?

No where on earth is there a black majority, black run country with a high standard of living, a low crime rate, and a well functioning government. Nor is there evidence of a black majority, black run country moving in that direction.

 

[CornusKousa]

Well, no. Anarchism is not a more extreme form of libertarianism -- it differs fundamentally from American libertarianism in that it is a European leftist tradition closely associated with Marxism.

In a nutshell, libertarians oppose the state because they see it as a threat to private property, and anarchists oppose the state because they see it as a guardian of private property.

Yes, and either way.... getting rid of government, whatever the reason, is neither left nor right wing.

The same way atheism isn't a religion.

Without a government (anarchism) there is no left or right "wing'.

And then there are AnCaps, of whom the less said the better.

That's because they expose how fucking silly the "left wing" anarchist are.

They understand that human society overwhelmingly does NOT become an equity centric collective in the absence of authority.

They understand quite the opposite happens, the reality of that is what gets the left so mad. It absolutely exposes leftist for the authoritarians they have to be, you CAN'T have what you want without putting big government guns to someone else's head and taking it from them first.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Okay then... thanks for clarifying your position and the complete dismissal of what I said.

I'll make sure to give your perspective all due consideration.

I agree with your first point. I disagree with your second point for reasons I expressed. The only reason I did not need time to respond to your second point is because I have encountered it many times before.

 

[adrina]

I agree with your first point. I disagree with your second point for reasons I expressed. The only reason I did not need time to respond to your second point is because I have encountered it many times before.

You prioritized what you prioritized and ignored what you ignored.

Sometimes what people don't say is more important what they do.

In your case... both.

I'm a bit surprised. I expected more... thoughtfulness.

 

[pecksniff]

What is pseudo about it?

You won't find any psychologist who believes there are hereditary psychological differences, in intelligence or "monogamy" or any other characteristic, between "racial" groups or any other kind of population groups.

There is, in fact, less genetic variation among humans than among chimpanzees.

 

[jaF0]

Okay then... thanks for clarifying your position and the complete dismissal of what I said.

I'll make sure to give your perspective all due consideration.

That one outed itself as a BB by about the third post a few days ago.

 

[The_Trouvere]

And the kind that lies. No fucking way he voted for Hillary

if I voted for Trump in 2016 I would be proud of it, like the Trumpers here on Literotica. I have always disliked Trump. I have always thought he was low class and vulgar. Trump demonstrates that money cannot buy class.

On the other hand, I have always liked Bill and Hillary Clinton.