Trump says he and Putin have agreed to start 'negotiations' to end Ukraine war

[ll74]

I support liberal values and ideals....how am I not??

I'm not the authoritarian control freak here Politruk...that's YOU!




The USA was founded on their English liberal ideals and values. English/classical liberals and their ideological decedents the libertarians ARE the most American liberal there is. Our nation was BORN of the ideology.

So why not?

Chad and Politruk are the same person.

Not literally,but definitely figuratively

 

[Politruk]

Chad and Politruk are the same person.

Not literally,but definitely figuratively

My opposite number would be some much more intellectual right-winger than Chad. He is not my equal.

 

[UltraChad]

This is what "liberal" means in American political discourse for the past hundred years.

Not even and that's a lie.

 

[UltraChad]

My opposite number would be some much more intellectual right-winger than Chad. He is not my equal.

LOL you persist in delusions backed up by FEE FEES.

 

[ll74]

My opposite number would be some much more intellectual right-winger than Chad. He is not my equal.

Lol...you're both a joke of a person.

 

[UltraChad]

Lol...you're both a joke of a person.

At least he says what he says doesn't worm around on it and get all mealymouthed about everything.

Spinless fuckin' worm.

 

[ll74]

At least he says what he says doesn't worm around on it and get all mealymouthed about everything.

Spinless fuckin' worm.

You get fixated on stupid words.

I'm excited to see what the word will be next week.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Lol...you're both a joke of a person.

Deluks & Schitzy666?

 

[UltraChad]

You get fixated on stupid words.

I'm excited to see what the word will be next week.

Words mean things.

Sorry that English is hard for you.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Words mean things.

Sorry that English is hard for you.

без проблем !

 

[ll74]

Words mean things.

And you get fixated on one word every week.

Almost as fun to watch at your friends that get fixated on people.

 

[Politruk]

U.S. Doubles Down on Demand That Ukraine Sign Minerals Deal

The Trump administration is stepping up its push for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to hand mineral rights worth hundreds of billions of dollars to the U.S., after Zelensky’s initial rejection of the demand fueled President Trump’s escalating broadsides against Ukraine’s leader.

The White House called Zelensky’s refusal to sign a deal it proposed and his criticism of Trump unacceptable, a day after Zelensky said Trump is living in a “disinformation” bubble and Trump countered by calling Zelensky a dictator.

“They need to tone it down and take a hard look and sign that deal,” Trump’s national security adviser Mike Waltz said Thursday of Ukraine’s leadership on Fox News.

Zelensky has said he is open to a deal, but that it needs more work.

 

[Politruk]

Words mean things.

They never do seem to mean what you insist they do. "Liberal," for instance, means this, not this.

 

[UltraChad]

They never do seem to mean what you insist they do. "Liberal," for instance, means this, not this.

Liar gotta lie and deny.


This is liberalism.

liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism


Libertarians, being decedents of American English liberals, are liberals.

Authoritarian socialist like yourself just don't like them. Especially when they point out you and yours are absolutely NO friend of liberty in any sense of the term. Because you guys aren't liberal, you're authoritarian, that's why you're always so pro collective authority over individual liberty. In pretty much everything you do.

You hate HATE individual liberty of almost if not every sort. You're not liberal. Just another dishonest lefty hiding behind the label of their FAR REICH WING betters.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Wall Street Journal Exclusive:

White House and Ukraine Close In on Deal for Mineral Rights

The U.S. and Ukraine are nearing a deal that would hand valuable mineral rights to the U.S., an agreement that the Trump administration has sought as compensation for military aid to fight off Russia’s invasion, people familiar with the matter said.

Ukraine had refused to sign such a deal earlier this week, sparking a war of words between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and fears of a break in relations between Washington and Kyiv.

In an apparent nod to an impending deal, Zelensky said in a nightly video address Friday that teams of U.S. and Ukrainian negotiators were working on a draft agreement.

“This is an agreement that can strengthen our relations, and the key is to work out the details to ensure its effectiveness,” he said. “I look forward to the outcome—a just result.”
https://www.wsj.com/world/white-hou...4c672?st=QaCv1o&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[Cogan]

No books or journalist have been banned.

No people were hauled to jail for saying things that upset politicians like in Europe.

So this is fake news from the President and the White House it self? Interesting.......
And what European country is putting people in jail for speaking up and upset the politicians? Some old eastern countries maybe, but they are Putin and Trump friendly so....

 

[UltraChad]

So this is fake news from the President and the White House it self? Interesting.......

Banned from WH isn't banned in general.

The press has no entitlement to the presidents personal space and or time.

And what European country is putting people in jail for speaking up and upset the politicians?

Germany.


60 min interview about them raiding people like terrorist over mean internet post....Germans think it's funny!!

UK too....no free speech there either, haven't been for some time as they've been fining/jailing comedians since the mid 2010's.

Some old eastern countries maybe, but they are Putin and Trump friendly so....

Yea they learned about "progress" the first time around, we have a lot of USSR, Cuban, Korean and Chinese refugees in the USA who aren't very big fans of "progress" either.....for the same reasons.

 

[Cogan]

Banned from WH isn't banned in general.

The press has no entitlement to the presidents personal space and or time.

But they are banned because they try to use the "Freedom of speech" witch will be depending on what Trump thinks at the moment. He has done so before.
Even Trump allied FOX News thinks he's gone too far this time.

Germany.


60 min interview about them raiding people like terrorist over mean internet post....Germans think it's funny!!

UK too....no free speech there either, haven't been for some time as they've been fining/jailing comedians since the mid 2010's.

Have you seen the clip?
This is not something new to the Europeans. Rasist posters and svastikas has been forbidden since the end of WW2. And you have never been allowed to call someone derogatory things like I see you do here on the thread for example. Nothing strange to us and nothing new.

I have never understand the need for doing so either. The discussion climate will not benefit from using hatful and derogatory words when you are out of arguments. That only means you are loosing the discussion.

 

[UltraChad]

But they are banned because they try to use the "Freedom of speech" witch will be depending on what Trump thinks at the moment. He has done so before.

That almost makes sense.

No they aren't banned. AP is allowed to write whatever they want just like all the other leftist outlets who aren't entitled to the presidents time/space.

They aren't being punished, prosecuted, regulated against or censored in any way.

Even Trump allied FOX News thinks he's gone too far this time.

FOX news is controlled opposition. Follow the money....the money FOX and it's billionaire owner want.

Have you seen the clip?

Yes. Many Americans have been following Europe's crusade against free speech for many years now. Democrats who SO DESPERATELY wish they were European have taken up your anti-free speech sentiments and tried to push them here.

This is not something new to the Europeans.

Trust me, we Americans are VERY AWARE of how anti-free speech you guys are. It's literally why it's our 1st amendment RIGHT and that is the only reasons Democrats did go full Gestapo on the USA the way Europeans have in their nations.

I have never understand the need for doing so either. The discussion climate will not benefit from using hatful and derogatory words when you are out of arguments. That only means you are loosing the discussion.

I understand you're anti-free speech like most Europeans and see no problem with silencing people who say thing YOU don't like. Question is how will you feel when someone decides when YOU are the one saying offensive things??

Maybe that is why you guys are so fucking TERRIFIED of your opposition being elected to power?? You know they're going to give you some of your own medicine.....just like the Democrats are right now.

Looking at the polls and how far right Europe is sliding right now? I'd be terrified if I were you too.

 

[Cogan]

I understand you're anti-free speech like most Europeans and see no problem with silencing people who say thing YOU don't like. Question is how will you feel when someone decides when YOU are the one saying offensive things??

No I'm not! And if they don't change the rules like your country is doing now, I'm on the safe side.
I don't call people retarded or bitch or fucking idiots. It does not benefit the discussion at all.

Maybe that is why you guys are so fucking TERRIFIED of your opposition being elected to power?? You know they're going to give you some of your own medicine.....just like the Democrats are right now.

Were I live the opposition is ruling.

Looking at the polls and how far right Europe is sliding right now? I'd be terrified if I were you too.

I am!

 

[UltraChad]

No I'm not!

You literally just advocated censorship and go on to make justifications for censorship in this very post.

Censored and regulated speech is NOT free speech. Quite literally the opposite.

It's amazing how consistently and regularly Europeans see the words "Free speech" and think "Speech MY proffered political party exerts totalitarian iron fisted control over." LOL

And if they don't change the rules like your country is doing now,

We aren't changing the rules in my country. 1st Amendment free speech is still a thing.

Where did you come up with that idea that it wasn't??

I'm on the safe side.

When in history have the censorious thought police ever been on the safe side??

Historically speaking they are rather consistently some of the first put up against the wall along with the other groups of elites who went too far on their power trips.

I am!

Why? Don't you like all the authority and power they have to control your life???

You sure seem to think everyone else likes you having that power over them......

 

[Cogan]

You literally just advocated censorship and go on to make justifications for censorship in this very post.

Censored and regulated speech is NOT free speech. Quite literally the opposite.

It's amazing how consistently and regularly Europeans see the words "Free speech" and think "Speech MY proffered political party exerts totalitarian iron fisted control over." LOL

It is not a political decision that says what you can say and not. It's ruled by the law and not a political party. It is tried in court and sometimes they go free and sometimes they don't Most of the times when they are convicted it is because it is considered to be hate to some religious group or some immigrant group.
Our history here in Europe is not to be seen lightly on, and anything going in that direction is controlled by the law.
So yes, posting a picture of a power management and call it a children's playground for a specific group of people is in my opinion rasist and therefore forbidden to post by the law.

We aren't changing the rules in my country. 1st Amendment free speech is still a thing.

Where did you come up with that idea that it wasn't??

And still Musk takes down things he don't like on X. Several Journalists has been taken down from Twitter when he took over it.

When in history have the censorious thought police ever been on the safe side??

Historically speaking they are rather consistently some of the first put up against the wall along with the other groups of elites who went too far on their power trips.

You are right there.

Why? Don't you like all the authority and power they have to control your life???

You sure seem to think everyone else likes you having that power over them......

Well, a politician (a Swedish Trump supporter) once said to me many years ago, that because I married my south European wife I should go to jail and she would be sent back to were she came from when their party had enough power. They are close now and have a lot to say about already. I think they have a lot to do before they get to me, and he is no longer active in the party, but that's how it will be if they get enough power.
My kids have a double membership due to inheritance law, and the party is trying to push a law that make them choose.

 

[ll74]

Shitting on 80 years of allyship born out of horrific war.


The 47 way!

 

[UltraChad]

It is not a political decision that says what you can say and not. It's ruled by the law and not a political party. It is tried in court and sometimes they go free and sometimes they don't Most of the times when they are convicted it is because it is considered to be hate to some religious group or some immigrant group.

Our history here in Europe is not to be seen lightly on, and anything going in that direction is controlled by the law.
So yes, posting a picture of a power management and call it a children's playground for a specific group of people is in my opinion rasist and therefore forbidden to post by the law.

You can't separate law from politics. Politics is literally about the control of law and political parties control politics. These things are all directly connected to each other in every modern nation state.

And I understand the law is the law. But the law regulating speech is still anti-free speech.

And still Musk takes down things he don't like on X. Several Journalists has been taken down from Twitter when he took over it.

Yep and it was an anti-free speech move. Done by a CEO with his private company.

And due to that along with a lot of other social media issues with regard to free speech rights issue this over the last decade or so has become a hotly contested issue that needs to be directly addressed by Congress in the near future.

Well, a politician (a Swedish Trump supporter) once said to me many years ago, that because I married my south European wife I should go to jail and she would be sent back to were she came from when their party had enough power.

So can I ask, do you think all Trump supporters are like that?

Because I think you're putting your local concept of nationalism onto the US idea of it which along with a wildly anti-trump media is giving you some pretty off the walls ideas about Trump. Probably think he's orange hitler out here getting white people to sport hunt anyone without blond hair and blue eyes like rodents right?

They are close now and have a lot to say about already. I think they have a lot to do before they get to me, and he is no longer active in the party, but that's how it will be if they get enough power.

I understand why you don't want that. But I also understand their desire to protect and preserve their culture/nation/people too.

In the USA things are a good bit different. Our "FAR REICH WING NAZI FASCIST!!" just want the border secured and immigration laws followed. We want our tax dollars spent on our nations NEEDS before other nations wants. For that we are smeared as Nazis. LOL

My kids have a double membership due to inheritance law, and the party is trying to push a law that make them choose.

Well depending on the countries in question and how their relations are, I can understand that being a reasonable position in some circumstances.

If she were....Russian....would it make sense if they did that??

 

[UltraChad]

Shitting on 80 years of allyship born out of horrific war.


The 47 way!

Allyship that went one sided and largely maintained by one side long ago for an enemy that fell 35 going on 36 years ago.

What sense does it make for us to maintain this alliance against the ghosts of 1989??