Trump says he and Putin have agreed to start 'negotiations' to end Ukraine war

[AlexBailey]

Yeah.. I know, and I also know that not everyone thinks like your president.

But.. you must admit, whether people are republicans or democrats, it does not really matter: there are a great majority of Americans who thinks that USA got nothing to do with the war in Ukraine.
Who does not understand why USA cannot do business with Russia (so much potential to earn money!)
Who cares more about what is going on in America, than that old and far away place that is Europe.

It is so easy to be lulled into the belief that USA is the big wallet, paying for everything.. but first of all: USA is approximately the same size as Europe.
And when it comes to the war in Ukraine, Europe stands for more than 60% of the aid/donations.
Telling us to step up and do more, I am starting to see some issues.

This whole situation is awfully complex and difficult.
It is national economy, private economy, private beliefs and values all mixed together.

But, the moment you have a leader who says that violence is the answer. Who starts to break 80 years of alliances, for own private gain. Who encourages to ethnic cleansing.


I cannot see how this can ever be fixed.

Donald Trump is now defying court orders. He is a tyrant who is above the law. He and his supporters are dismantling programs that are designed to help Americans who have fallen through the cracks while lowering taxes on those who are already rich.

They want the homeless and those with mental health issues to simply go away. Many are promoting the use of concentration camps in lieu of assistance.

This is only the first few weeks of this administration. It will get much worse.

 

[Cat]

Donald Trump is now defying court orders. He is a tyrant who is above the law. He and his supporters are dismantling programs that are designed to help Americans who have fallen through the cracks while lowering taxes on those who are already rich.

They want the homeless and those with mental health issues to simply go away. Many are promoting the use of concentration camps in lieu of assistance.

This is only the first few weeks of this administration. It will get much worse.

Ugh.. well. That is truly bad.

... How is it going with his promise of cheaper grocery products?

What about all of the minority groups who supported your president, are they being valued and appreciated now?

I am sorry Alex, I really wish that there were some clever people, who by some miracle could do something.

But as it stands right now: Europe used to be able to do trading with USA, and we have always been more than willing to step up and help.
It is just.. we need to rearrange our national economical plans, because Putin finally seems to have gotten some leverage, and you know how it is with men who cares less about the peasants than the rich - we need to be prepared for more war, Putin and your president both wants to be remembered as legends.

 

[Cat]

Donald Trump is now defying court orders. He is a tyrant who is above the law. He and his supporters are dismantling programs that are designed to help Americans who have fallen through the cracks while lowering taxes on those who are already rich.

They want the homeless and those with mental health issues to simply go away. Many are promoting the use of concentration camps in lieu of assistance.

This is only the first few weeks of this administration. It will get much worse.

This makes me wonder.. how many people have ever seen or visited a concentration camp?

I have visited 3. Those places are not to be taken lightly. Ever.

 

[ll74]

This whole situation is awfully complex and difficult.
It is national economy, private economy, private beliefs and values all mixed together.

But, the moment you have a leader who says that violence is the answer. Who starts to break 80 years of alliances, for own private gain. Who encourages to ethnic cleansing.


I cannot see how this can ever be fixed.

Add in the fact that thousands, if not millions, of Americans are cheering him on and believing his lies. My Twitter feed yesterday was full of people dunking on Zelensky and praising Putin yesterday....simply disgusting.

 

[Cat]

Add in the fact that thousands, if not millions, of Americans are cheering him on and believing his lies. My Twitter feed yesterday was full of people dunking on Zelensky and praising Putin yesterday....simply disgusting.

And Sisyphus thought he had it tough.. okay, he did! You cannot and should not ever compare "who got it worse".

But, it is kinda uphill, no?

 

[Cogan]

This makes me wonder.. how many people have ever seen or visited a concentration camp?

I have visited 3. Those places are not to be taken lightly. Ever.

I have and it makes me tear up every time thinking that there are still people capable of repeating it again and again.
Not yet in such a big scale though.

 

[stxjimmy]

Imagine that neighbor has the power to fuckin' kill ALL OF YOU several different ways and is tired of your shit.

Changes the dynamic a bit now doesn't it?

Doesn’t make them right

 

[Cogan]

And there is the issue.

We don't really have many. Most are just dependents who've grown not only away from US values, but totally arrogant and entitled to our money.

They mostly seem under the impression that the US is obligated to join them in national suicide by totalitarian thought policing of their citizenry while foreigners are allowed to come in and just savage the people and rat fuck the economy, because anything else is RACIST and FASCIST!!! They want to do that, rock on, but we are under no such obligation and we're not going to protect or do business with that kind of self destructive insanity.

If that's so, I must wonder why you are still in Europe with your troops? If America disagrees so much with our way of living I suggest the American troops leave Europe immediately!

 

[Politruk]

They mostly seem under the impression that the US is obligated to join them in national suicide

Every country in Europe is more long-run sustainable than the U.S.

 

[Politruk]

Europe CHOSE to import an archaic anti-European rape culture.

You are a liar.

 

[Politruk]

So my take, for what it's worth, which is absolutely nothing, is there will be no agreement, the war will go on, but Putin's refusal to sign will end up giving Trump the excuse he needs (for his base) to continue to support Ukraine.

Trump doesn't want to support Ukraine.

 

[UltraChad]

Doesn’t make them right

No but they are effective.

 

[UltraChad]

If that's so, I must wonder why you are still in Europe with your troops?

That's a good fuckin' question. Hopefully they won't be much longer.

If America disagrees so much with our way of living I suggest the American troops leave Europe immediately!

MAGA agrees, protecting fascist is not in our best interest.

 

[UltraChad]

Every country in Europe is more long-run sustainable than the U.S.

Then why are they collapsing? Many of them, AGAIN within living memory and 3-4 times since the US was founded??? LOL

You are a liar.

Nope. Europeans allowed this, they could have stopped it at any time and chose otherwise.

Trump doesn't want to support Ukraine.

GOOD!!

The fuck are we supporting Ukraine for??

 

[Cogan]

That's a good fuckin' question. Hopefully they won't be much longer.



MAGA agrees, protecting fascist is not in our best interest.

That’s interesting since you are busy being just that.
And we’ve got some in the past so we know how they act.

 

[Politruk]

MAGA agrees, protecting fascist is not in our best interest.

That's the last thing MAGA would ever agree on!

 

[Politruk]

Then why are they collapsing?

They're not. Not a single country in Europe is showing the slightest sign of it.

Nope. Europeans allowed this, they could have stopped it at any time and chose otherwise.

No immigrant group in Europe has a "rape culture."

The fuck are we supporting Ukraine for??

Same reason we supported Kuwait in 1991.

 

[UltraChad]

That’s interesting since you are busy being just that.

No. Not being self destructive woke-tards isn't fascism just because the news media has been saying it is for the last 15 years.

And we’ve got some in the past so we know how they act.

Yea......and who's arresting their own citizens to protect the feelings of illegal migrants and criminals who violate their citizens??

Not my side!! We liberals are for free speech and other "FAR REICH" ideas like individual rights.

 

[Cogan]

No. Not being self destructive woke-tards isn't fascism just because the news media has been saying it is for the last 15 years.




Yea......and who's arresting their own citizens to protect the feelings of illegal migrants and criminals who violate their citizens??

Not my side!! We liberals are for free speech and other "FAR REICH" ideas like individual rights.

Free speech? Is it free speech to ban books or journalists to say what they want?

 

[Politruk]

We liberals

Lie.

 

[UltraChad]

Free speech? Is it free speech to ban books or journalists to say what they want?

No books or journalist have been banned.

No people were hauled to jail for saying things that upset politicians like in Europe.

 

[UltraChad]

Lie.

Not a lie.

Your assertion that the totalitarian Karencommies are "liberal" is the lie.

Totalitarian control freaks aren't liberals.

 

[Politruk]

Not a lie.

Your assertion that the totalitarian Karencommies are "liberal" is the lie.

Totalitarian control freaks aren't liberals.

Never again claim the name of "liberal." You are not one. English or classical liberals -- libertarians -- have no right to that name, not in America.

 

[UltraChad]

Never again claim the name of "liberal." You are not one.

I support liberal values and ideals....how am I not??

I'm not the authoritarian control freak here Politruk...that's YOU!

English or classical liberals -- libertarians -- have no right to that name, not in America.

The USA was founded on their English liberal ideals and values. English/classical liberals and their ideological decedents the libertarians ARE the most American liberal there is. Our nation was BORN of the ideology.

So why not?

 

[Politruk]

I support liberal values and ideals....how am I not??

I'm not the authoritarian control freak here Politruk...that's YOU!




The USA was founded on their English liberal ideals and values. English/classical liberals and their ideological decedents the libertarians ARE the most American liberal there is. Our nation was BORN of the ideology.

So why not?

This is what "liberal" means in American political discourse for the past hundred years.