Trump fucks up again. Ukraine negotiation goes sideways

[ChloeTzang]

Wonder what he's going to be saying in a couples of years time when Ukraine will only settle for Kursk, Belgorod, Rostov and the Kuban

 

[Lazaran]

Basically it was a non-event, where Trump didn't pressure Putin at all. No ceasefire, and Trump wants Russia and Ukraine to negotiate with each other - and we know how that goes. Russia repeats its demands which it knows will not be agreed to, and it goes nowhere.

What Trump did say was if the talks goes nowjhere the USA will walk away, so in essence he's given Putin a carte blanche to continue the war.

https://unn.ua/en/news/axios-learne...enskyy-leaders-some-were-surprised-or-shocked

I heard some pundit say “Putin feels he has the upper hand and is acting like it”.

That ^ says A LOT.

Ever since DONOLD & THE REPUBLICANS BLOCKED MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE FOR SIX MONTHS BACK IN 2024, Putin has been acting like he has the upper hand & pressing his advantage.

Once DonOld became "president" (Putin’s puppet in the White House again), Putin REALLY acted like he has the upper hand. It’s like he KNEW ahead of time exactly what DonOld would do at every turn when it came the the war in Ukraine and’ "diplomatic negotiations".

Weird…



I suspect DonOld just might be collaborating with Putin & Russia (and the Saudis, etc).



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russia has already lost this war.

Ukraine already crossed the point where it can no longer be defeated militarily time ago.

This chart shows the decline of russian power and the irreversible rise of Ukrainian resilience.
War continues because stopping it means the end of Putin.

This graph tracks the strategic balance between russia and Ukraine from February 22, 2022, the eve of the full-scale invasion, through a projected horizon into 2026.

russia’s Decline (Red Line)
Feb 2022 (100%): Russia was expected to conquer Kyiv in 3 days. It held overwhelming superiority in numbers, armor, and air power.

Mid-2022 (~75%): After failing to take Kyiv and losing in Kharkiv and Kherson, russia’s perceived power dropped sharply.

2023 (~60%): Continued losses in personnel and equipment (over 15,000 armored vehicles destroyed) exposed deep flaws in logistics and morale.

2024 (~45%): Despite minor territorial gains, russian casualties exceed 450,000. Sanctions and isolation weaken long-term capacity.

Mid-2024 (~35%): Drone warfare and Western precision weapons render russian tactics increasingly obsolete. Internal fatigue grows.

2025 (~25%): A breaking point is projected if no strategic breakthrough is achieved and losses continue at this pace.

2026 (~10%): russia approaches a state of military exhaustion. Its economy and manpower cannot sustain further expansion.

Ukraine’s Rise (Blue Line)
Feb 2022 (0%): Ukraine was seen as fragile, likely to fall quickly.

Mid-2022 (~20%): Unexpected battlefield successes shifted global perception. Morale surged.

2023 (~40%): Ukraine integrates NATO doctrine, Western tech, and forms a hardened, experienced military.

2024 (~60%): With high-precision strikes, strategic defense, and drone dominance, Ukraine becomes militarily unbreakable, this is the turning point.

Mid-2024 to 2026 (75% → 95%): Ukraine’s capability continues rising with international support, while its defense infrastructure strengthens to NATO levels.

This war is no longer about territory. It’s about time.
Time favors Ukraine.
The longer the war continues with sustained Western support, the closer russia approaches its breaking point.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Hmmmmm

 

[ChloeTzang]

The truth is, Trump just sucks up to Putin for whatever reason, and hates Ukraine and will, literally, do anything to stab them in the back and run them down that he can

 

[ChloeTzang]

Zelensky and five other European leaders contacted Trump after his call with Putin, expecting him to push Putin to agree to a ceasefire or Trump would impose new sanctions on him, but were unpleasantly surprised — Axios

Instead, Trump said that Putin had agreed to talks, stressed that the United States would not participate in those talks, and rejected the idea of imposing sanctions on Putin at this time.

According to sources, some of the leaders who participated in the call seemed "surprised" or "shocked."

And in Trump's own words, Putin played him like a drum and he didn't even realize it

 

[dmallord]

Zelensky and five other European leaders contacted Trump after his call with Putin, expecting him to push Putin to agree to a ceasefire or Trump would impose new sanctions on him, but were unpleasantly surprised — Axios

Instead, Trump said that Putin had agreed to talks, stressed that the United States would not participate in those talks, and rejected the idea of imposing sanctions on Putin at this time.

According to sources, some of the leaders who participated in the call seemed "surprised" or "shocked."

And in Trump's own words, Putin played him like a drum and he didn't even realize it

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This is the craziest logic of any one looking at the war between the two nations. Trump is an idiot.

 

[ChloeTzang]

And more Trump nonsense. He's not a joke, he's a disaster.

On top of that he, after more or less giving Putin the go ahead and keep attacking Ukraine and saying the US won't do anything about it, he's intent on downssizing and pulling the US out of NATO while Putin is threatening yet more neighbors.

Note the wording in his statement: "in 2-4 weeks he would be ready to say whether the steps and actions taken by Ukraine...." The U.S. is also pushing back on G7 plans to include “further support” for Ukraine in a joint statement by finance ministers in Canada — and is also resisting calls to label Russia’s invasion “illegal,” Politico reports.

It's pretty obvious Putin has something on Trump. The EU really needs to stand up on their own feet and start ignoring him and just moving ahead.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Zelensky and five other European leaders contacted Trump after his call with Putin, expecting him to push Putin to agree to a ceasefire or Trump would impose new sanctions on him, but were unpleasantly surprised — Axios

Instead, Trump said that Putin had agreed to talks, stressed that the United States would not participate in those talks, and rejected the idea of imposing sanctions on Putin at this time.

According to sources, some of the leaders who participated in the call seemed "surprised" or "shocked."

And in Trump's own words, Putin played him like a drum and he didn't even realize it

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Trump’s focus on reopening trade with Russia is deplorable.

When do we think it will happen? My guess is Trump will drop most of the sanctions on Russia in 2026.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump’s focus on reopening trade with Russia is deplorable.

When do we think it will happen? My guess is Trump will drop most of the sanctions on Russia in 2026.

He'll use "no ceasefire" and "no meaningful negogiations" as an excuse, blame Zelensky for not surrendering and drop American sanctions. My guess is another 2-3 months

 

[ChloeTzang]

Former Ukrainian presidential advisor Andriy Portnov — a top official under ex-president and traitor Viktor Yanukovych — was shot dead near Madrid. He fled from Moscow to Madrid. Clearly Russian operation to get rid of a person who knows too much. Probability is this was the Russian FSB clearing up some loose ends.

THIS is how you deal uith Russians and Russian collaborators. Nice professional hit. We can expect a lot more of these world wide and inside Russia over the next few years as collaborators and war criminals meet with their just desserts.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ahhhhhhh, he was wanted for treason in Ukraine so it couild well be a Ukrainian hit....

 

[PersonalFavors]

Former Ukrainian presidential advisor Andriy Portnov — a top official under ex-president and traitor Viktor Yanukovych — was shot dead near Madrid. He fled from Moscow to Madrid. Clearly Russian operation to get rid of a person who knows too much. Probability is this was the Russian FSB clearing up some loose ends.

THIS is how you deal uith Russians and Russian collaborators. Nice professional hit. We can expect a lot more of these world wide and inside Russia over the next few years as collaborators and war criminals meet with their just desserts.



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Wow that's a lot of back fat on that guy.

 

[Baztrachian]

From what I've heard, except in non-Russian provinces like Chechnya, there are no independence movements. Nobody wants an independent Novgorod or St. Petersburg, or even an independent Siberia.

There is an independence movement in Königsberg.

https://www.interpretermag.com/konigsberg-cries-out-for-independence-from-moscow-activist-says/

(Excerpt)

Staunton, January 12 – Kaliningrad — or Königsberg as it was historically called and is known to many of its residents — because of its geographic situation as an exclave and the current economic and political situation “simply cries out for the need for separation from [Moscow], for independence and the setting up of a sovereign republic, Anton Chadsky says.

In a comment on Rufabula.com, the journalist and activist who has been following developments there since 2011 and who last year moved to the exclave says that the current sad state of the region is a reflection of “the barbaric approach of the Muscovites to culture” and to the life of the people there.

 

[eric_erosfan]

Ahhhhhhh, he was wanted for treason in Ukraine so it couild well be a Ukrainian hit....

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I can almost hear the silencer that put him down.

 

[eric_erosfan]

I can almost hear the silencer that put him down.

I'm surprised this doesn't happen more here. Maybe they need "no tax on hits" All professional killings are tax-free. Lol.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Sadly, the title of this thread should be changed to "Trump Betrays Ukraine"

After the last coupleof weeks, it's compltely obvious that Trump has no interest in a just peace, or even a ceasefire. He wants his trade deals with Russia, no matter the cost to Ukraine and he is doing his best to ensure Russia wins. At this point, really, the EU needs to accept that the USA is no longer an alyy or a friend, bite the bullet, and do everythung they can to assist Ukraine - Putin has made it plain he does not accept the independance of states who gained their freedom from the USSR and after the Ukraine, he will be coming fir the Baltic States and Finland.

Trump has already indicated the USA is done with NATO, and having show enough weakness to encourage Putin, he is now intent on pulling S troops out at the very mment his policies have giuven a carte blanch to Putin to go ahead, making war MORE likely.

 

[Dw313]

Chloe, this is a bit harsh but I am afraid you’re right.
The guy has screwed up relations with Europe and likely as not driven a wedge between the two. The only positive is driving the U.K. back into the EU.
This is going to take years to put right.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Based on the latest developments, here’s roughly what Putin said to Trump during their last phone call — translated from Kremlin-speak into human language:

"Donald, you and I could be making billions — billions and billions — but there’s one obstacle: Ukraine. It’s our backyard, it’s our business. I totally get it — you can’t just force them to surrender overnight. But we’re about to crush them — all I ask is that you don’t get in our way. Let the problem solve itself. It’ll disappear. It won’t be your headache anymore. Nobody will bother you about that worthless little Ukraine and that dumb, stubborn Zelensky who has no respect for a great leader of all time like you. And then you and I can get down to real business — like true masters of the world. You and me."

I'm reading the below as Trump saying that he has launched a "peace process", so he can now declare his "major victory," in hs own mind at least, and kick off his long-awaited shady business schemes with the Kremlin (aka "large scale TRADE with the United States." ALtho what large scale trade is possible with a country with a GDP equivalent to about Texas or California is a mystery, particularly once the Ukrainians have done destroying Russia's economy and industry,

The absolutely scary thing here is, Trump believes his own bullshit.

 

[Dw313]

Hear this:

The American president increasingly used his influence to create conflicts, intensify existing conflicts, and, above all, to keep conflicts from being resolved peacefully. For years this man looked for a dispute anywhere in the world, but preferably in Europe, that he could use to create political entanglements with American economic obligations to one of the contending sides, which would then steadily involve America in the conflict and thus divert attention from his own confused domestic economic policies.

Adolf Hitler

 

[ChloeTzang]

There;s also a bit of realpolitik going on over Ukraine within the US Administration.

The members of Team Trump with presidential ambitions - Rubio and Vance - are being rather circumspect in their rhetoric. Both have to maintain the impossible, fan-serving bluff that America is both invincible and all too easily castrated by the mere threat of Muscovite escalation. The net policy vector emerging from this political reality is ongoing material support for Ukraine paired with public claims that Trump wants peace but Zelensky is crazy and the whole affair is Europe’s problem. Basically, the past six months of worrying about what Trump will do to Ukraine have been a gigantic waste of time and energy. Media attention has been fixed on the so-called peace process, with its failure creating the necessary narrative space for Europe to dramatically boost military spending.

Trump has made himself increasingy irrelevant to both sides. They will pay him lip service, humor him, but on the ground he will be ignored. There will be no ceasefire, and no trade deals....and likely when the war is over and Russia defeated, the mineral deal with Trump will be tossed out the door.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Dw313]

Who is Rand Paul? The appeaser in somebody’s pocket?