Trump fucks up again. Ukraine negotiation goes sideways

[ChloeTzang]

Russia is not changimg it's demands. Putin can't afford to back down and Ukraone will not surrender.

This is all just a show for Trump by both sides. The end result is the war will go on but Reump will do his best to find a way to blame Zelensky for not surrenderig to Russia. I'm afriad that whatever else Trump may be doing that's good for the USA, his entire approach to Ukraine reduces him to the moral level of sewage pond scum. He's a clown, and unfortinately, a killer clown.

 

[ChloeTzang]

LOL. Here we go. Trump can't organize a party in a brewery.

Russia demands that talks with Ukraine take place without US, Turkish representatives​

Ukraine has blamed Russia for undermining the expected peace talks in Istanbul by demanding a one-on-one meeting, excluding Turkish or U.S. officials, at the last minute, Sky News and the Guardian reported on May 16. The news comes before what would be the first negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow since 2022. Turkish officials were expected to open the talks, while U.S. delegates are in Istanbul for separate meetings with Moscow and Kyiv representatives.

After Moscow proposed to hold peace talks in Turkey this week, President Volodymyr Zelensky agreed and invited Russian President Vladimir Putin for a face-to-face meeting. The Russian leader declined to attend and appointed his aide, Vladimir Medinsky, to lead the talks. The Russian delegation included deputy ministers and lower-level aides and excluded top officials like Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. Zelensky commented that Moscow has dispatched a "sham delegation," while Western officials presented the move as an indication that Putin is not serious about peace efforts. Kyiv and its allies have urged Moscow to adopt an unconditional ceasefire starting May 12 as the first step toward peace talks — a proposal Russia has ignored. While Ukrainian officials said they hope to discuss a possible truce in Istanbul, Russia presented the meeting as the continuation of the 2022 talks and stressed the need to address what it sees as the "root causes" of the war.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine...stanbul-peace-talks-with-last-minute-demands/

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukrainian delegation is rightly refusing to speak Russian to the Russian delegation and is using a translator to communicate.

 

[ChloeTzang]

"I had a great relationship with Hitler. If he hadn't run out of gas there'd be no more Jews."

The man's sick in the head and as for those tank's - they ran out of gas and then got annihilated by the Ukrainians. Who will keep on fucking the Russians over until Putin eats lead. Asfor Witkoff, he sure did an incrddible job of achieving nothing and repeating Putin's lines like a trained monkey. Trump is out f his league, out of depth, and he;s either on Putin's payroll or being played like a gullible fool. Or a combination of both. Who knows, but what is evident is his intent to try and force a surrender onto Ukraine.

What's also evident to everyone but Trump is that Ukraine will not capitulate. They will fight on with or without Trump, and if it's to be withut Trump, the USA will never have another ally who will stand with them on anything. Trump has turned into a walking and talking foreign policiy disaster on the only major issue that really counts.

Taiwan should be feelimg really twitchy right now, because Trump is giving them more opportunities than Biden ever did.

As for Trump, so much for all hus bullshit on pressuring Russia and Putin. He hasn't, he can't and he won't. At some stage Europe is going to have to break with Trump and cut the USA out of this one.




Also, Trump has no real idea what happened, or what is happening now. The Russians ran out of fuel. They also got stuck because the Ukrainian warriors blew the dam on the river and then the Ukrainian warriors picked them off one by one! The special forces that were supposed to seize the airport were eliminated by Ukrainians who headed for the sound of the guns and attacked the Russians whereever they found them. All Trump can do at this point is make himself even more obnoxious and detestable than he already is, enhance his growing reputation as Putin's ass-boy, and make sure more Ukrainians are killed before Russia is defeated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923660003254403435

 

[ll74]

"I had a great relationship with Hitler. If he hadn't run out of gas there'd be no more Jews."

The man's sick in the head and as for those tank's - they ran out of gas and then got annihilated by the Ukrainians. Who will keep on fucking the Russians over until Putin eats lead. Asfor Witkoff, he sure did an incrddible job of achieving nothing and repeating Putin's lines like a trained monkey. Trump is out f his league, out of depth, and he;s either on Putin's payroll or being played like a gullible fool. Or a combination of both. Who knows, but what is evident is his intent to try and force a surrender onto Ukraine.

What's also evident to everyone but Trump is that Ukraine will not capitulate. They will fight on with or without Trump, and if it's to be withut Trump, the USA will never have another ally who will stand with them on anything. Trump has turned into a walking and talking foreign policiy disaster on the only major issue that really counts.

Taiwan should be feelimg really twitchy right now, because Trump is giving them more opportunities than Biden ever did.

As for Trump, so much for all hus bullshit on pressuring Russia and Putin. He hasn't, he can't and he won't. At some stage Europe is going to have to break with Trump and cut the USA out of this one.


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Also, Trump has no real idea what happened, or what is happening now. The Russians ran out of fuel. They also got stuck because the Ukrainian warriors blew the dam on the river and then the Ukrainian warriors picked them off one by one! The special forces that were supposed to seize the airport were eliminated by Ukrainians who headed for the sound of the guns and attacked the Russians whereever they found them. All Trump can do at this point is make himself even more obnoxious and detestable than he already is, enhance his growing reputation as Putin's ass-boy, and make sure more Ukrainians are killed before Russia is defeated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923660003254403435

Jfc, this guy

dear leader sucks more Putin cock than the average MAGA fuck sucks his

 

[ChloeTzang]

Jfc, this guy

dear leader sucks more Putin cock than the average MAGA fuck sucks his

Everything he says about Ukraine makes me furious. At some point the EU and Zelensky just need to tell him to fuck right off and don't come back. I know they have to stroke him for now, which is sickening, but needs must etc etc etc. But when the time is right.....

Hopefully the Europeans really get their collective ass into gear and remilitarize faster along with funding the Ukraine defense industry, because you can bet your bucks if Putin attacks Finland and the Baltics, Trump will whine and make excuses and do nothing. Germany and Poland seem to be the only ones really doing anything visible tho. Perhaps the Baltics too, and Finland always does things quietly.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

And Trump still thinks he can "cit a deal." He's fucking delusional. His brain's going the way of Biden's.

Personally, I think: Bryansk. Kursk. Belgorod. Voronezh. Rostov and Volgograd (the Kuban) are all required to be ceded to Ukraine as part of the final peace settlement. The Russian Federation to be broken up and Muscovy denazified and demilitarized. All nukes to be handed over to Ukraine. How's that?

 

[MajorRewrite]

“The world will become much safer in 2–3 weeks,” Trump said. “I’ll meet with Putin as soon as we can arrange it,” he added.

2 weeks?!?

So world peace and a new healthcare plan will be announced the same day?!?! Extraordinary.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

The damage Trump is doing to the US in incalculable. It's really the end of the US as THE world power. We're now well on the way to a multi-polar world divided between Europe, China and the US.

He'll never impose sanctions on Russia. He's all talk and bluster. A week ago, he was saying heavy sanctions on Russia if no ceasefire. Never happened. Now he's acting like he never said it and blaming Zelensky again.

Putin’s strongest asset? Despite Putin repeatedly rejecting a ceasefire and Ukraine having accepted an unconditional one two months ago, Trump continues to blame Zelensky and refuses to hold russia accountable—just like a russian asset would. In a recent Fox News interview, Trump once again blamed Zelensky and Ukraine, while refusing to hold Putin and russia accountable. He still claims Ukraine ’doesn’t have the cards’ and avoids blaming russia—even as it kills civilians and rejects ceasefires. Weak and traitorous. If russia had sent an asset to run the US, they couldn’t have done a better job sabotaging the country and its allies without getting caught. Trump acts as the perfect bad-faith actor—consistently undermining US interests at every turn. Putin must be happy!

Republicans who claim to support Ukraine while still backing Trump are either acting in bad faith or not smart enough to realize that it’s impossible to support both at the same time

 

[dmallord]

1. Existing Sanctions:

• The US has already imposed extensive sanctions on numerous Russian banks, including some of the largest institutions.
• These sanctions vary in their severity, ranging from restrictions on new debt and equity to full blocking sanctions that essentially cut off banks from the US financial system.

2. Potential for Further Sanctions:

• Secondary Sanctions: The US could potentially expand the use of secondary sanctions, which target foreign banks that do business with sanctioned Russian banks.
• Targeting Remaining Banks: The US could impose sanctions on Russian banks that haven't yet been targeted, though the list of major unsanctioned banks may be relatively short.
• Sectoral Sanctions: The US could introduce sectoral sanctions, impacting entire industries or financial activities, which could indirectly affect Russian banks involved in those sectors.

3. Factors Influencing Trump's Decision:

• Political Considerations: Trump's willingness to impose further sanctions could depend on his broader foreign policy goals and his stance towards Russia, according to DW.
• Economic Impact: The potential economic consequences of further sanctions on both Russia and the global economy would likely be a factor in any decision.
• International Cooperation: The effectiveness of further sanctions could depend on the degree of cooperation from US allies.

In conclusion:

• While the US has already sanctioned many Russian banks, there is still potential for further action, including secondary sanctions and targeting remaining unsanctioned banks.
• However, whether President Trump chooses to impose further sanctions depends on a complex interplay of political, economic, and international factors.

CHTgpt sourced?

 

[ChloeTzang]

It really couldn't be clearer. Trumps every action and word says he supports Putin.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Witkoff is as delusional as ever. The disagreements between Ukraine and Russia have in no way been reduced - they are worlds apart.

Russia continues to insist on a Ukraine capitulation. Trump needs to stop wasting everyone's time, but of course he won't. because Zelensky holds no cards......

Please Witkoff, just stop now. Russia just openly posted they dont want to talk again till oct. amd the only thing they're interested in is winning

 

[Dw313]

No news here.
Let's look at why Donald Trump cannot end the war in Ukraine, despite his bold promises.

The war began because Vladimir Putin believed he could use military force to subjugate Ukraine—to install a puppet government, impose a new political order, erase the country’s national identity, and eliterally exterminate the Ukrainian leadership, intelligentsia, members of the armed forces and police. They came prepaed with lists of people to execute and mobile cematoriums to dispose of the bodies. This was Putin’s war of choice. The Ukrainians didn’t choose this war—it was forced upon them. Ukrainians resisted because they had to.

Trump’s approach to “brokering peace” started with trying to persuade Ukraine to stop fighting, give up its territories occupied by Russia, abandon its defence, accept a change in government, and sign a ceasefire deal that would give Russia most of what it wanted—in exchange for no guarantee of American security support once the fighting stopped. Does that sound appealing? Not to most Ukrainians.

Zelensky doesn’t have the political space to agree to surrender. Ukrainian society simply wouldn’t accept it even if Zelensky wanted to. And as for Trump sitting down with Putin—he came to the table with no cards in hand. The only thing he could offer Putin was a promise to pressure Ukraine into capitulation, lift sanctions, and entertain vague talk of future cooperation. But the sanctions that hurt Russia the most are European sanctions, and Europe sees Russia as a growing threat—especially if it succeeds in Ukraine. So no, Europe won’t help Trump force Ukraine to surrender. Quite the opposite. Europe will help Zelemsky push back at Trump.

There is only one credible path to ending this war: sending a clear signal to the Russians that Putin will not win. And that means supporting Ukraine’s defense, not undercutting it. Anyone with real-world experience of this war understands that. It’s foreign policy 101.

But the Trump team hasn’t even gotten that far—so the war will go on.

Based on the latest talking points, Trump will blame Zelensky and Ukraine for the lack of progress, he will walk away from Ukraine, lift sanctions on Russia and blame the war on Biden.

Not quite sure what Trump thinks he's going to get from this, apart from making sure that the USA looks weak, ensuring we lose all our allies, destroying our military equipment export market, personally looking like a blustering buffoon, and exposing the incredible incompetence of his Administration. I hinestly thought it would be impossible to make the Biden Administration look great, but Trump is managing.

And it was so simple.

All he had to do was support Ukraine by SELLING them military equipment and ammo, NOT sabotage NATO and Europe, and NOT start a trade war with the entire world. Simple stuff, really.

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Here’s one in the UK that agrees with you 100%

 

[ChloeTzang]

And good news from Romania - the pro-Russian candidate lost

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[ChloeTzang]

"Fears for Ukraine peace talks" as Russian TV broadcasts Putin warning Donald Trump to stop trying to dictate terms​

Russian state TV aired a video of Vladimir Putin warning Donald Trump to stop trying to dictate the terms of a ceasefire with Ukraine. Putin stressed that he plans to finish what he started three years ago and warned that Trump should not push him into a US blueprint for stopping the war. The Russian ruler told Kremlin-controlled state TV: 'You know, the Americans — the American people and the American leadership, including the president — have their own national interests.

The message was released on the eve of a scheduled Monday phone call between Trump and Putin. Putin's words were recorded in late March but broadcast today after Trump made clear he wants the Russian leader to concede a ceasefire in their upcoming telephone talk. 'We have enough strength and resources to bring what was started in 2022 to its logical conclusion with the result that Russia needs,' Putin added.

Discussing the phone call, Trump said: 'I will be speaking, by telephone, to President Vladimir Putin of Russia on Monday at 10:00am. 'The subjects of the call will be - stopping the 'bloodbath' that is killing, on average, more than 5,000 Russian and Ukrainian soldiers a week, and trade.' Trump said he would then speak to Volodymyr Zelensky and NATO leaders. 'Hopefully it will be a productive day, a ceasefire will take place, and this very violent war, a war that should never have happened, will end.'

It's going to be fun seeing how Trump spins this one. Will he fall in line with Putin and "insist" on Ukraine surrendering, or will he finally bow to reality. I don't think anyone has any idea, but Putin's basically told him to go fuck himself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...g-Donald-Trump-stop-trying-dictate-terms.html

 

[Quimpossibility]

If only people could think of a really simple solution to this invasion crisis?

Maybe, I dunno, Russia could fuck off out of Ukraine? Maybe Putin's weird western apologists could stop blaming Nato for the actions of a sovereign state and its gangster capitalist boss?

 

[ChloeTzang]

If only people could think of a really simple solution to this invasion crisis?

Maybe, I dunno, Russia could fuck off out of Ukraine? Maybe Putin's weird western apologists could stop blaming Nato for the actions of a sovereign state and its gangster capitalist boss?

Of course we would need the actual post-war borders, which whoever replaces Putin will need to concede to, with Ukrainian-supervised referendums of course, and naturally a Nazi state like Muscovy needs to be deminilitarized and it's nukes and weapons confiscated, and the Russian "Federation" needs to be broken up and the colonies given independance.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The felon has a phone call with his boss today.

 

[dmallord]

The felon has a phone call with his boss today.

That call was 10 AM as I recall. It's later now. Anyone heard back from Boris and Moose yet?

 

[Politruk]

Of course we would need the actual post-war borders, which whoever replaces Putin will need to concede to, with Ukrainian-supervised referendums of course, and naturally a Nazi state like Muscovy needs to be deminilitarized and it's nukes and weapons confiscated, and the Russian "Federation" needs to be broken up and the colonies given independance.

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From what I've heard, except in non-Russian provinces like Chechnya, there are no independence movements. Nobody wants an independent Novgorod or St. Petersburg, or even an independent Siberia.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Trump said his phone call with Putin was “excellent”, which means it was a failure because Trump usually says his calls are “perfect”.

Putin did not agree to a ceasefire.

Trump no longer mentions putting more sanctions on Russia for not agreeing to a ceasefire. I’m shocked! SHOCKED!

 

[DeluxAuto]

Trump said his phone call with Putin was “excellent”, which means it was a failure because Trump usually says his calls are “perfect”.

Putin did not agree to a ceasefire.

Trump no longer mentions putting more sanctions on Russia for not agreeing to a ceasefire. I’m shocked! SHOCKED!

The felon quit on his campaign promise and told asked his boss to sort it out with Zelenskyy.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Basically it was a non-event, where Trump didn't pressure Putin at all. No ceasefire, and Trump wants Russia and Ukraine to negotiate with each other - and we know how that goes. Russia repeats its demands which it knows will not be agreed to, and it goes nowhere.

What Trump did say was if the talks goes nowjhere the USA will walk away, so in essence he's given Putin a carte blanche to continue the war.

https://unn.ua/en/news/axios-learne...enskyy-leaders-some-were-surprised-or-shocked