Trump And The Return To The American System

[Hel_Books]

Yet you want Texas to do something about the flooding in Houston. Which has been happening since the North American Continent came into existence.

What about NOLA? Should they dam the river completely to prevent seasonal flooding from the Mississippi? Remember the city is built on the floodplain so the area needs that seasonal flooding for the plants and animals. And then let's talk about how your plan is going to allow transshipment of goods up the river into the interior of the US without increasing pollution levels.

And what about the Ganges in India? Same problem. Should India dam the river to prevent flooding at the expense of the planet? With the same pollution problem AND a bad effect on the religious ceremonies/bathing performed in the river.

Would either of those things cause more damage to the climate and society or be beneficial?

Wait, now you're saying that wonderful American ingenuity isn't even capable of dealing with proper storm water drainage? No wonder you've lost your competitive edge to the Chinese!

Your talk about New Orleans reminds me of the lord in Monty Python who built a castle, "Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp."

 

[HisArpy]

Wait, now you're saying that wonderful American ingenuity isn't even capable of dealing with proper storm water drainage? No wonder you've lost your competitive edge to the Chinese!

Your talk about New Orleans reminds me of the lord in Monty Python who built a castle, "Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp."

dudly, you've reached the end of your road on this issue. You were wrong when you brought it up, you were wrong when you tried to keep your wrong idea going, and you've finally decided to go all in on stupid in order to try to get a 3rd bite at that poison apple.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

dudly, you've reached the end of your road on this issue. You were wrong when you brought it up, you were wrong when you tried to keep your wrong idea going, and you've finally decided to go all in on stupid in order to try to get a 3rd bite at that poison apple.

Fuck you just got your ass whipped again.....thanks @Hel_Books damn fine work. I enjoyed the laughs.

 

[Politruk]

What does any of this have to do with the American System?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Is this why China tariffs US goods? And Germany, are they admitting failure? What about Canada? Are these countries all failures in your eyes? Or only the US for doing the same thing?

They are counter tariffs. I dislike all tariffs.

 

[HisArpy]

They are counter tariffs. I dislike all tariffs.

Those tariffs were in place BEFORE Trump.

Nice try though.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Fuck you just got your ass whipped again.....thanks @Hel_Books damn fine work. I enjoyed the laughs.

Derpy never knows when to shut the fuck up. It's hilarious!

 

[Hel_Books]

dudly, you've reached the end of your road on this issue. You were wrong when you brought it up, you were wrong when you tried to keep your wrong idea going, and you've finally decided to go all in on stupid in order to try to get a 3rd bite at that poison apple.

You wrote,

"Yet you want Texas to do something about the flooding in Houston. Which has been happening since the North American Continent came into existence."

And I said that proper city planning is necessary for proper drainage to avoid flooding. You seem to think Texas can't handle that! Possibly that's true. They have power failures in a state that pumps lots of oil and gas and is a leader in solar and wind, so they may have some problems with the way they do things. But that doesn't mean adapting to nature is impossible.

How about this: It's been raining since the North American Continent came into existence, and you complain we can't do anything about getting wet when we go outside. Then someone comes along and hands you an umbrella. You've adapted to nature! Congratulations!

 

[HisArpy]

You wrote,

"Yet you want Texas to do something about the flooding in Houston. Which has been happening since the North American Continent came into existence."

And I said that proper city planning is necessary for proper drainage to avoid flooding. You seem to think Texas can't handle that! Possibly that's true. They have power failures in a state that pumps lots of oil and gas and is a leader in solar and wind, so they may have some problems with the way they do things. But that doesn't mean adapting to nature is impossible.

How about this: It's been raining since the North American Continent came into existence, and you complain we can't do anything about getting wet when we go outside. Then someone comes along and hands you an umbrella. You've adapted to nature! Congratulations!

Whatever it is that you think you're trying to say here; needs more cogitation and less thoughtless annunciation.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
You wrote,

"Yet you want Texas to do something about the flooding in Houston. Which has been happening since the North American Continent came into existence."

And I said that proper city planning is necessary for proper drainage to avoid flooding. You seem to think Texas can't handle that! Possibly that's true. They have power failures in a state that pumps lots of oil and gas and is a leader in solar and wind, so they may have some problems with the way they do things. But that doesn't mean adapting to nature is impossible.

How about this: It's been raining since the North American Continent came into existence, and you complain we can't do anything about getting wet when we go outside. Then someone comes along and hands you an umbrella. You've adapted to nature! Congratulations!

Whatever it is that you think you're trying to say here; needs more cogitation and less thoughtless annunciation.

Hey, I just posted your quote saying Texans are bitch-slapped by nature and can't do anything about it. I don't notice you disagreeing with anything I've written.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Whatever it is that you think you're trying to say here; needs more cogitation and less thoughtless annunciation.

Allow me to lessen your ignorance a smidge.

Hel_Books was commenting on how humans can help make substantial climate exchange by lessening certain manmade activities, and you went full reductio ad absurdum and derped about Houston doing something about flooding, the underlying motive (as I see it was your usual "if rape is inevitable, just sit back and enjoy it" herp-a-derp).

Well, chumly, Houston HAS done something about flooding. After a monstrous flood in the early 1930s, Houston and the federal government designed what was then state-of-the-art flood control reservoirs together beginning in 1936. Since then, for almost 60 years until 2001 Houston suffered no significant flood damage (yes, we've been hit by storms but damage was largely wind damage which there's still no known cure for, at least in the reality based world where I live...YMMV.

Houston got smacked by the largest pop-up Tropical Storm to ever form in the Gulf of Mexico right off Galveston (Tropical Storm Allison) which caused significant damage due to a lack of notice.

But but whaddabout Hurricane Harvey? you might mewl. Hurricane Harvey was a "500 year event" (used to be called a "Biblical event" because a Cat 4 hurricane stalled over the city of Houston for four days...not much you can do about that. I know your Lord 'n Savior Trump wanted to nuke it but that wasn't an option over densely populated area.

Houston gets intense flooding in 24 hour periods, but the drainage system here can clear 18 inches of water in about 12 hours. Everything drains into the Houston shipping channel which feeds into the Gulf of Mexico.

I hope your back pain is manageable today. If not, bear your pain with honor like a true Alpha Male.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Those tariffs were in place BEFORE Trump.

Nice try though.

Let's get rid of all of them so that I can buy high quality consumer goods from China less expensively.

 

[Politruk]

Let's get rid of all of them so that I can buy high quality consumer goods from China less expensively.

Unpatriotic! Buy American!

 

[Bray123]

Trump started the tariff war with China in his first term, because he thought that China was stealing intellectual property (not Trump's intellect obviously). It wasn't started by China.

He learned nothing from that period but escalated it as soon as he could. He knows more about bankruptcy law than anyone.

https://apnews.com/article/8473860b573d4d0198d8bf19c319b69f
https://apnews.com/article/china-us-tariffs-timeline-trump-xi-1eeed2865dc7b14e23d7eb8069ba41ea

 

[SluttyTheresa]

Trump and Our Return to the ‘American System’​

Tim Overton | April 06, 2025

Few economic philosophies have shaped America’s prosperity as profoundly as Henry Clay’s American System—a blueprint for national strength and self-sufficiency. Developed in the early 19th century, Clay’s vision centered on protective tariffs, a strong national banking system, infrastructure development, and the responsible use of natural resources.

These pillars propelled the United States into economic dominance. However, in the latter half of the 20th century, Cold War geopolitics led to a significant departure from these principles. Today, President Donald Trump’s economic policies signal a revival of the American System, aiming to restore national industry, energy independence, and economic resilience.

One of the key components of Clay’s American System was the use of tariffs to shield domestic industries from foreign competition. Clay and his contemporaries understood that fledgling American manufacturers needed time to grow without being undermined by cheaper imports. This approach helped transform the U.S. from an agrarian economy into an industrial powerhouse.

Trump’s embrace of tariffs is a modern adaptation of this strategy, aimed at protecting American businesses from unfair foreign trade practices. His policies seek to revitalize domestic manufacturing, reduce dependency on foreign goods, and address trade imbalances, particularly with China. Additionally, tariff revenue contributes to lowering the national debt, reinforcing economic sovereignty.

More here: https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/04/06/trump-our-return-american-system/

This is the plan.

Tariffs are taxes paid by American consumers.

 

[Politruk]

Tariffs are taxes paid by American consumers.

Trump seems to think he has the authority to tax foreign countries.

 

[SluttyTheresa]

Trump seems to think he has the authority to tax foreign countries.

What he needs to tax is stupidity. There is plenty of that in this country.

 

[Politruk]

What does any of this have to do with the American System? Remember, the American System is not only protective tariffs, it also means massive spending of tax dollars on infrastructure. Also a centralized national bank -- and the GOP includes a faction of "End the Fed!" cranks.

 

[schism666]

magatards! mount up!

 

[schism666]

somehow this is going both better and worse than i thought it would

 

[Philthy_Phil]

dudly, you've reached the end of your road on this issue. You were wrong when you brought it up, you were wrong when you tried to keep your wrong idea going, and you've finally decided to go all in on stupid in order to try to get a 3rd bite at that poison apple.

We call that "pulling a Derpy".

 

[Rightguide]

Tariffs are taxes paid by American consumers.

Not always, it's wrong to say consumers always pay tariffs directly; it's a shared burden between importers, foreign producers, and consumers, depending on market behavior. Technically, a tariff is a tax imposed by the U.S. government on imported goods. The importer (usually an American business) pays the tariff when the goods enter the U.S. That importer might pass some or all of that cost onto American consumers through higher prices. However, importers might also absorb some or all of the tariff to stay competitive, especially in a price-sensitive market. Also, foreign producers sometimes lower their prices to maintain their market share in the U.S., meaning they share the burden of the tariff as well.

 

[ll74]

Not always, it's wrong to say consumers always pay tariffs directly; it's a shared burden between importers, foreign producers, and consumers, depending on market behavior. Technically, a tariff is a tax imposed by the U.S. government on imported goods. The importer (usually an American business) pays the tariff when the goods enter the U.S. That importer might pass some or all of that cost onto American consumers through higher prices. However, importers might also absorb some or all of the tariff to stay competitive, especially in a price-sensitive market. Also, foreign producers sometimes lower their prices to maintain their market share in the U.S., meaning they share the burden of the tariff as well.

Lol, tariffs are taxes on consumers.

And if you need this much to explain why they're not, you're full of shit

 

[Rightguide]

Lol, tariffs are taxes on consumers.

And if you need this much to explain why they're not, you're full of shit

Not always. That's why I took a little more care in explaining the market reality, thinking it might penetrate your hardened frontal lobe. Boy, was I wrong.

 

[Politruk]

Not always, it's wrong to say consumers always pay tariffs directly; it's a shared burden between importers, foreign producers, and consumers, depending on market behavior. Technically, a tariff is a tax imposed by the U.S. government on imported goods. The importer (usually an American business) pays the tariff when the goods enter the U.S. That importer might pass some or all of that cost onto American consumers through higher prices. However, importers might also absorb some or all of the tariff to stay competitive, especially in a price-sensitive market. Also, foreign producers sometimes lower their prices to maintain their market share in the U.S., meaning they share the burden of the tariff as well.

In economic terms, none of those marginal factors matter. When government sets tariff policy, the only safe assumption is that its own consumers will bear the cost.