Treason Or Sedition?

[Lost Cause]

Or a soon to be Canadian immigrant?
Now where have I heard some of this dribble parroted at?
Anyone hear this canned mantra anywhere else?
Independent thought by the left?
I don't think so.

Columbia University alumni and donors are furious at a professor who wants to see a million U.S. troops killed and dragged through the streets.

Anthropology and "Latino studies" assistant professor Nicholas De Genova said last week at a so-called "teach-in" on the Iraq war: "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military.

"I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus," he said, referring to the Somalian Muslims who desecrated the bodies of U.S. troops sent by Bill Clinton on a disastrous mission to assist them.

He also uttered this masterpiece of stupidity to 3,000 students and fellow eggheads: "Peace is not patriotic. Peace is subversive, because peace anticipates a very different world than the one in which we live - a world where the U.S. would have no place.”

Oh? If the U.S. had no place in the world, how would useless leftist pseudo-intellectuals rake in fat salaries for presiding over a whopping two or three classes a term?

De Genova is hiding as the uproar over his sickening remarks grows, the New York Post reported today.

Disgusted by the remarks of De Genova and other anti-American eggheads at Columbia, Dr. Stephen Rittenberg, Class of 1957, wrote the Web site of the student newspaper Columbia Spectator: "The infantile narcissism of the anti-war profs is sickening. Once upon a time, Columbia professors thought it was their duty to teach critical thinking rather than to indoctrinate in anti-Americanism."

Columbia President Lee Bollinger at first merely said that De Genova's views were not those of the university. But now, fearing he'll lose those precious dollars, Bollinger is finally speaking out.

"I am shocked that someone would make such statements," Bollinger said. "Because of the university's tradition of academic freedom, I normally don't comment about statements made by faculty members. However, this one crosses the line and I really feel the need to say something. I am especially saddened for the families of those whose lives are at risk."

By the way, here's what De Genova said in April 2002 at a pro-Palestinian rally at Columbia: "The heritage of the victims of the Holocaust belongs to the Palestinian people. The state of Israel has no claim to the heritage of the Holocaust."


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[markb325]

I saw this somewhere last week. It only goes to prove that even a moron can become a college professor. If this guy is luck he will live long enough to get to Canada.

 

[Lost Cause]

Hmmm...

Isn't this the University that offered Gore the chancellor job?
You think for $50K tuition a year, they'd have more intellectual 'treasures' available.
I wonder how many transfers this will create?

 

[Veryknowing]

I don't even approve of this war, but that professor sounds like a complete imbecile. Somebody should drag HIM through the streets, and a few of his lefty ratbag mates as well.

 

[shopperst]

So you are basically saying:

It's unamerican to voice dissent
To oppose the actions of your government
It's a good thing someone who disagrees is 'in hiding'
Critical thinking=anti-americanism

I've been really confused by the way some people can seperate the reality of freedom of speech with the fight 'to bring democracy'.

If you ask most people, they'll seperate support for the troops from support from the govt. However, many seem unable to do this, how far from living being a Junta is the US?

 

[Astro]

Treason: Violation or betrayal of the allegiance that a person owes they sovereign or they country.

Sedition: Speech or behaviour directed against the peace of a state, an offense that tends to undermine the authority of teh state, an incitement to public disorder.

Therefor this man is guiltly of sedition, however I am not sure how this would work with your freedom of speech stuff.

 

[Lost Cause]

How can you call this speech dessent?

In case you don't have your rose colored glasses on, it reads;

Columbia University alumni and donors are furious at a professor who wants to see a million U.S. troops killed and dragged through the streets.

Anthropology and "Latino studies" assistant professor Nicholas De Genova said last week at a so-called "teach-in" on the Iraq war: "The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military.

"I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus," he said, referring to the Somalian Muslims who desecrated the bodies of U.S. troops sent by Bill Clinton on a disastrous mission to assist them.

He also uttered this masterpiece of stupidity to 3,000 students and fellow eggheads: "Peace is not patriotic. Peace is subversive, because peace anticipates a very different world than the one in which we live - a world where the U.S. would have no place.”

Now THAT'S sedition!

 

[Bidin~Time]

So you are basically saying:

It's unamerican to voice dissent
To oppose the actions of your government
It's a good thing someone who disagrees is 'in hiding'
Critical thinking=anti-americanism

I've been really confused by the way some people can seperate the reality of freedom of speech with the fight 'to bring democracy'.

If you ask most people, they'll seperate support for the troops from support from the govt. However, many seem unable to do this, how far from living being a Junta is the US?

I in no way preceived LC's post as him "basically saying" it is "unamerican to voice dissent". As a matter of fact, I saw those exact words no where in his opinions.

This "critically thinking" professor, is the type of professor, who will take the first 3 classes each semester to express views on the subject material that he doesn't hold. He'll do this in order to find the most vocal opposition and allies in each class. Then on class day 4 he expresses his true opinions and spends the rest of the semester trying to "break" some and "reward" others. Thus "shaping" the views within his little bubble of a community, and ultimately the extended community. Those who continue to disagree with him end up with failing grades and a miserable existence. A few of the more savvy students will tell him what he wants to hear, never actually adjust their personal view, and make it through his classes relatively unscathed. And of course those that share his views will become his shining stars. Yeah, been there done that, never was "indoctrinated", but I digress. So how is this different from the Junta you fear??

Freedom of Speach, lovely concept isn't it? The fact is we do have the freedom to speak our minds, and most of us exercise that right vigorously and often. However, disagreeing with one another's viewpoint is not, as some would have us believe, our freedom being diminished or taken away in any way. Rather, disagreements are the price we pay for exercising our freedom.

As far as the question of not supporting the war while still supporting the troops. That's a fine and precarious line at best. Kinda like having ones cake and eating it too. The soldiers and their family members seem to see most militant protestors as anti war and anti soldier. And to be honest, in their shoes, I'd also have a problem with that concept. The military personel are in effect, walking talking extensions of the formal policy of the government these people protest against. They are fulfilling a promise none of them ever hoped to have to fulfill when they took their oath. So I can understand perfectly their outrage at hearing that in this professor's humble opinion one million casualties would be just about right. Oh need I point out the current force in the area numbers in the 300,000 troops? See the analytical math skills deficit in this statement?