Transgendereism

[hashtag45]

I disagree. Policy and media shape public opinion. We have seen it happen over and over again. It most certainly is happening now which is why I wrote a thread on the subject two years ago. In 2 years we have gone from a lot of media placement to the president issuing directives. That is disturbing.

I totally agree.
Given that both "consumers" (transgenders) and "health professionals" (psychologists, psychiatrists, paediatricians, endocrinologists and so many others) are the ones who Actually deal with these realities, and Not heterosexual politicians who are uneducated in such matters

- where are the positions statements and the body of research -from Competent professional bodies- that deal with the awful lot of aspects of such a complex issue?
And I'm not talking only about the concrete issues discussed in this thread. There are so many other subtle implications that only a person highly specialized in this area can think of.

They just implement things in a totallitarian communist-collectivistic fashion.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Indeed
Why do you have to be such a huge racist?
Your non-bigotted posts -such as this one- are always so...wow.

I'm a rose with thorns.

 

[Disgustipated]

Why can't you simply speak for yourself instead of copying a shitty definition?

She says after a C&P of an article that no longer even fucking exists.

 

[Ishmael]

I'm saying gender identity is a far more complex issue than you appear to think it is. And your fetish analogy is not on point on that issue.

Only for the person suffering from the mental disorder. When it comes to laying down legal sanctions, fuck the gender confused and all of their supporters.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

It would seem Ishmael is bound and determined to hammer home his "but....but...MENTAL DISORDER!" talking point through obsessive repetition.

This might call for a new drinking game.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

It would seem Ishmael is bound and determined to hammer home his "but....but...MENTAL DISORDER!" talking point through obsessive repetition.

This might call for a new drinking game.

Well it IS a mental disorder. I believe it should be treated with love and compassion, and that therapeutic help should be available for free. But its still a disorder.

 

[jomar]

Only for the person suffering from the mental disorder. When it comes to laying down legal sanctions, fuck the gender confused and all of their supporters.

Ishmael

You said you didn't think homosexuality was a mental disorder and I noted that it was considered to be so until the early 70s. So I was also saying that with new research and knowledge what was once pathologized is understood and not pathologized anymore.

Transgendered people are not confused. They know what they are meant to be.

The bathroom bill doesn't just dictate who can pee where, which in itself is stupid because when has it ever been an issue...it's a pretty widespread conservative attack on the gay community, not to mention protecting private businesses from minimum wage laws...might even be a road to nowhere in there.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Transgendered people are not confused. They know what they are meant to be.

Where is your evidence for this, that Gender Identity Disorder isn't a real thing? The medical community says it is. The debate is how to treat it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Actual leaders in the field.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/769310

Actual leaders in the field.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/769310


Quote:
August 17, 2012

August 17, 2012 — The American Psychiatric Association (APA) has issued official position statements of support for access to healthcare and a repeal of laws and policies that discriminate against individuals who are transgender and gender variant.

In a release, the APA said it will advocate for the removal of barriers to care for gender transition treatment and for the protection of civil rights. The organization has supported lesbian and gay rights since 1973, when it removed homosexuality from the second edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II), and now it wants to publicly support the transgender community.


August 17, 2012 — The American Psychiatric Association (APA) has issued official position statements of support for access to healthcare and a repeal of laws and policies that discriminate against individuals who are transgender and gender variant.

In a release, the APA said it will advocate for the removal of barriers to care for gender transition treatment and for the protection of civil rights. The organization has supported lesbian and gay rights since 1973, when it removed homosexuality from the second edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II), and now it wants to publicly support the transgender community.

"Transgender and gender variant people are frequently denied medical, surgical, and psychiatric care related to gender transition," notes the APA statement. The new position statements were created by the APA Caucus of Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Psychiatrists.


"The APA has officially put itself on record as being in support of these issues. Being transgender should not imply that a person is not a fully capable citizen," Jack Drescher, MD, who is coauthor of the statements and who is a training and supervising analyst at the William Alanson White Institute of Psychiatry, Psychoanalysis and Psychology in New York City, told Medscape Medical News.


Discrimination Damaging

"Discrimination and lack of equal civil rights is damaging to the mental health of individuals," writes the APA.

"For example, gender-based discrimination and victimization were found to be independently associated with attempted suicide in a population of transgender individuals, 32% of whom had histories of trying to kill themselves."

Both the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association have previously released strong policy statements of support for these individuals.

The APA's new Access to Care position statement declares that the organization

recognizes that these individuals "can benefit greatly from medical and surgical gender transition treatments";

supports public and private health insurance coverage for this treatment; and

is against the rejection of this coverage when it has been prescribed by a clinician.

The new discrimination position statement declares that the APA

supports all laws that protect the civil rights of these individuals;

urges the repeal of any discriminatory laws and policies;

opposes discrimination in the areas of healthcare, as well as in employment, housing, and education; and

"declares that no burden of proof of such judgment, capacity, or reliability shall be placed upon these individuals greater than that imposed on any other persons."

I'm just going to drop this right here, again.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I'm just going to drop this right here, again.

Eta: I thought you were jomar. I am posting on my phone, sometimes things are Hard to follow on a tiny screen.

 

[jomar]

Where is your evidence for this, that Gender Identity Disorder isn't a real thing? The medical community says it is. The debate is how to treat it.

Things are shifting, just like with un-pathologizing homosexuality. In the DSM IV GID the issue was discrepancy between birth sex and gender identity. Now, in the DSM 5 it's called gender dysphoria and the issue is distress...if you're cool with it you don't get diagnosed and you go about your transgendered life. I think at some point they'll pinpoint the DNA stuff.

Those who are significantly distressed should be treated, but what should the treatment be? Acceptance? Or pray the gay away?

There's a pretty powerful NPR segment on transgendered children. Parents going WTF and agonizing over their kids behavior and wants. It followed them to a yearly conference where the parents found support and the kids found their tribe.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I disagree. Policy and media shape public opinion. We have seen it happen over and over again. It most certainly is happening now which is why I wrote a thread on the subject two years ago. In 2 years we have gone from a lot of media placement to the president issuing directives. That is disturbing.

I bet folks will be singing a different tune when President Trump starts sending letters of instruction to public schools.

This is a good point. Almost 60 years ago Eisenhower issued a directive to integrate public schools and now racism is a thing of the past.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

This is a good point. Almost 60 years ago Eisenhower issued a directive to integrate public schools and now racism is a thing of the past.

Ah the "it's just like the blacks defense." don't insult my intelligence. For every out come you like, there is another one you will hate.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Ah the "it's just like the blacks defense." don't insult my intelligence. For every out come you like, there is another one you will hate.

That's not my point.

If presidential directives, the media, movies...etc all change how the public feels about something racism shouldn't exist, but it does.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Things are shifting, just like with un-pathologizing homosexuality. In the DSM IV GID the issue was discrepancy between birth sex and gender identity. Now, in the DSM 5 it's called gender dysphoria and the issue is distress...if you're cool with it you don't get diagnosed and you go about your transgendered life. I think at some point they'll pinpoint the DNA stuff.

Those who are significantly distressed should be treated, but what should the treatment be? Acceptance? Or pray the gay away?

There's a pretty powerful NPR segment on transgendered children. Parents going WTF and agonizing over their kids behavior and wants. It followed them to a yearly conference where the parents found support and the kids found their tribe.

I can't speak on treatment because I am not medical professional. I do believe they need help and agree that tax dollars should assist them.

On the rest of your post, I went to summer Camp when I was. 12 and told everyone I was a guy named Fred. Fortunately I was not put on hormones nor did I have my genitals compromised. Back then, mothers didn't get to Virtue Signal on Facebook about how awesome they areare for having a tranny child. So I was left alone and started banging dudes a few years later.

 

[phrodeau]

I agree with the bulk of this post. Except the comfy place to pee part. Bathroom thing is a non issue and a waste of time and money.

Separate boy and girl restrooms is a waste of money. If schools returned to using outhouses, they'd save a bundle and the whole issue would be moot.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Separate boy and girl restrooms is a waste of money. If schools returned to using outhouses, they'd save a bundle and the whole issue would be moot.

What a clever man you are.

 

[phrodeau]

What a clever man you are.

Indoor plumbing is Satan's handiwork.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Indoor plumbing is Satan's handiwork.

The hits keep coming with you.

 

[Ishmael]

Ah the "it's just like the blacks defense." don't insult my intelligence. For every out come you like, there is another one you will hate.

It really is the best they can come up with. I wonder if the black community think that the 'tranny's' are 'just like them?' Depending on your pov that's borderline insulting.

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

Op-Ed: How Bruce Jenner changed the life of every American

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/18918

"Obama meant it when he talked about changing the very foundation of this country -- meaning that no longer does this land belong to you and me."

"Did I say Bruce? My mistake. That was last year. This year he’s Caitlyn, meaning that he’s transformed himself into a woman.

This does not happen every day, you know. Most people, in this country at least, stick to what they know.

A man knows he’s a man. A woman knows she’s a woman. This used to be so simple. Now we have to guess.

Thanks to Liberals and their Progressive agenda, no girl or woman is safe anywhere in America particularly at school.

Privacy is out. Modesty is forbidden. Big Brother is watching. From the moment the Obama Administration ordered all public schools to allow transgender people to use any shower or bathroom facility -- boys must be permitted to undress with girls and girls with boys -- Big Brother has got you covered everywhere you go.

Your life, your comings and goings belong to the Government in what amounts to a war on women under this new policy enacted by Liberals.

The washroom used to be a zone of safety for women, so when Jewish sophomore Eliana Kopley ran for her life when she was being pursued by SJP and BDS Jihadist brutes at UC-Irvine – where was she supposed to hide when any Islamist crazed goon has the same rights to access the same ladies’ room?

Obama meant it when he talked about changing the very foundation of this country -- meaning that no longer does this land belong to you and me. It belongs to him and it belongs to Loretta Lynch, his attorney general, who came on TV to heatedly equate the transgender movement to the Civil Rights Movement.

Case closed.

So don’t you dare argue that your privacy rights come first. This makes you a bigot. Progressives will accuse you of this using hysteria rather than logic.

They need a cause. Without a cause, Progressives lose the means to hammer us with guilt and they lose their think tank foundations and all that money.

So as I have it figured, one fine day, a slow day, they sat around in search of something suitable to ruin the country…a new cause.

The old causes were not doing so well. The healthcare thing? Obamacare? Not good. It’s been a bust. Global warming? Also getting old and tiresome. Immigration and open borders? Americans were starting to resist, especially with Trump reminding us that the wrong people were getting in.

The attempts to diminish Israel and to humiliate its Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – these too were missteps that backfired.

Then, to top it off, Obama’s most trusted advisor, Ben Rhodes, confirmed what we always suspected, that the Iran Nuke Deal was a farce from the word go.

Yes we were tricked.

So they had to find something else to bamboozle us, something fresh, and along came Bruce Jenner making headlines for becoming a woman.

Now here was a minority in search of a Progressive cause. Were there more like him – or her? Yes, the most acceptable figure is 700,000.

That’s how many people there are in America who move from gender to gender and if that sounds like a fraction of the country – well it is.

The rest of us number 320 million, so to appease less than one percent of the population, all us have to relinquish our rights to privacy.

But a cause is a cause and without a cause Progressives have no reason to go on living.

As one specialist explained, in a typical school of 2,000 kids, two will likely be transgender. Two!

So if that’s your daughter in the public washroom or shower and you see a man about to enter, you have no right to stop him.

The law is on his side. All he has to say is, “Today, I am a woman.”

So we are all in this together, every single American. It began with Bruce Jenner and ends with an Obama legacy leading us all down the same toilet."


An interesting take. Won't be popular here, I'm guessing.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/18918

"Obama meant it when he talked about changing the very foundation of this country -- meaning that no longer does this land belong to you and me."

"Did I say Bruce? My mistake. That was last year. This year he’s Caitlyn, meaning that he’s transformed himself into a woman.

This does not happen every day, you know. Most people, in this country at least, stick to what they know.

A man knows he’s a man. A woman knows she’s a woman. This used to be so simple. Now we have to guess.

Thanks to Liberals and their Progressive agenda, no girl or woman is safe anywhere in America particularly at school.

Privacy is out. Modesty is forbidden. Big Brother is watching. From the moment the Obama Administration ordered all public schools to allow transgender people to use any shower or bathroom facility -- boys must be permitted to undress with girls and girls with boys -- Big Brother has got you covered everywhere you go.

Your life, your comings and goings belong to the Government in what amounts to a war on women under this new policy enacted by Liberals.

The washroom used to be a zone of safety for women, so when Jewish sophomore Eliana Kopley ran for her life when she was being pursued by SJP and BDS Jihadist brutes at UC-Irvine – where was she supposed to hide when any Islamist crazed goon has the same rights to access the same ladies’ room?

Obama meant it when he talked about changing the very foundation of this country -- meaning that no longer does this land belong to you and me. It belongs to him and it belongs to Loretta Lynch, his attorney general, who came on TV to heatedly equate the transgender movement to the Civil Rights Movement.

Case closed.

So don’t you dare argue that your privacy rights come first. This makes you a bigot. Progressives will accuse you of this using hysteria rather than logic.

They need a cause. Without a cause, Progressives lose the means to hammer us with guilt and they lose their think tank foundations and all that money.

So as I have it figured, one fine day, a slow day, they sat around in search of something suitable to ruin the country…a new cause.

The old causes were not doing so well. The healthcare thing? Obamacare? Not good. It’s been a bust. Global warming? Also getting old and tiresome. Immigration and open borders? Americans were starting to resist, especially with Trump reminding us that the wrong people were getting in.

The attempts to diminish Israel and to humiliate its Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – these too were missteps that backfired.

Then, to top it off, Obama’s most trusted advisor, Ben Rhodes, confirmed what we always suspected, that the Iran Nuke Deal was a farce from the word go.

Yes we were tricked.

So they had to find something else to bamboozle us, something fresh, and along came Bruce Jenner making headlines for becoming a woman.

Now here was a minority in search of a Progressive cause. Were there more like him – or her? Yes, the most acceptable figure is 700,000.

That’s how many people there are in America who move from gender to gender and if that sounds like a fraction of the country – well it is.

The rest of us number 320 million, so to appease less than one percent of the population, all us have to relinquish our rights to privacy.

But a cause is a cause and without a cause Progressives have no reason to go on living.

As one specialist explained, in a typical school of 2,000 kids, two will likely be transgender. Two!

So if that’s your daughter in the public washroom or shower and you see a man about to enter, you have no right to stop him.

The law is on his side. All he has to say is, “Today, I am a woman.”

So we are all in this together, every single American. It began with Bruce Jenner and ends with an Obama legacy leading us all down the same toilet."


An interesting take. Won't be popular here, I'm guessing.

Excellent point. Now when a father sees anyone unsavory follow his daughter into a bathroom, the father can go in there too.

And I don't think we're supposed to c&p entire articles on the board.

 

[jomar]

I can't speak on treatment because I am not medical professional. I do believe they need help and agree that tax dollars should assist them.

On the rest of your post, I went to summer Camp when I was. 12 and told everyone I was a guy named Fred. Fortunately I was not put on hormones nor did I have my genitals compromised. Back then, mothers didn't get to Virtue Signal on Facebook about how awesome they areare for having a tranny child. So I was left alone and started banging dudes a few years later.

I never said tax dollars should help, but the US being the last major nation to provide universal healthcare is definitely a whole nother conversation...I mean United Healthcare made 11 billion in profit last year. Anyway...

As far as your summer camp experience, apples to oranges.

 

[hashtag45]

This is a good point. Almost 60 years ago Eisenhower issued a directive to integrate public schools and now racism is a thing of the past.

http://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-1761010112.gif

What next?
Will you be comparing the "All men should be welcome to pee in women's bathrooms, provided they utter the "T" word" movement,
to the Civil Rights movement ?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

http://im.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-1761010112.gif

What next?
Will you be comparing the "All men should be welcome to pee in women's bathrooms, provided they utter the "T" word" movement,
to the Civil Rights movement ?

No, that really doesn't have anything to do with what I posted.