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[Tymeless]

goodluck to you i would gladly trade you my plumbing for yours if it was possible oh how great that would be.

 

[Tymeless]

bump or something...

 

[temp256]

Another question about sex drive and hormones:

Just what do you mean by libido? The dictionary defenitions don't adequately distinguish between the various types of arousal. Does it reduce external physical urges (feeling horny, must have sex), or mental desire (I think I'll engage in sexual activity because I know it's fun), or both?

Once you've decided to begin sexual acts, is it in any way impeded? (impotence, no physical desire/pleasure)

Please describe as thoroughly as you can. I don't mean to pry, but this is very important to me if I decide to begin the transition.

Thanks!

 

[Etoile]

external physical urges (feeling horny, must have sex), or mental desire (I think I'll engage in sexual activity because I know it's fun)

What a damn fine clarification of libido. Kudos!

 

[temp256]

But which one? Both?

 

[temp256]

Bump
Anyone?

 

[Etoile]

But which one? Both?

Unfortunately I couldn't tell you...I'm not a transwoman myself. You might want to check into the discussion forums at LiveJournal, there are a ton of good trans communities over there.

 

[Jessalynvix]

I want a phalloplasty but I doubt I will ever be able to afford one. For me, it's a struggle saving up for top surgery. I think most people are just waiting it out to see if something better comes along rather than wasting their money. For me though, it's frustrating to be with a female sexually and will continue to be until I get a phalloplasty (if ever). So for now, I'm content to be trannyfag bottom lol.

I think the prices of some of these procedures may go down some and the procedures themselves will improve over the next few years. I just have to remind myself that FTM medicine hasn't been around near as long as MTF medicine.

*starts a change jar for that* oh wait it should be for the top surgery first then we will start to save for the phalloplasty. Though I must say that things need to be more advanced because I want you functional and I know you want to be as well because is it really worth it to have this and you not be able to feel anything?

 

[Stefani]

Just what do you mean by libido?

Once you've decided to begin sexual acts, is it in any way impeded? (impotence, no physical desire/pleasure)

By libido, i mean quite simply "sex drive."

If you're taking anti-testosterones like spiro or androcur (the more potent of the two), you lower your sex drive. When I was on 100mg of spiro a day, i still had a sex drive, but it was a lot slower. Meaning, as a guy, I wanted sex daily. As a MtF TS on spiro, I only desired sex maybe once a week.

The longer i was on hormones, my interest in sex dropped considerably. Once i got onto androcur, my sex drive died completely. Basically i could care less about sex at all.

The same with impotence. Over time my penis just slowly melted away. Understand that i was on hormones for 8 years. Over the first 2 years my sex drive slowly disappeared, as did my erections. After about 2 years on hormones things like morning erections were a thing of the past. After 3-4 years I could only rarely achieve an erection, and when I did, it wasn't like a normal male erection - it got "fluffy" but never fully hard. Years 6-8, erections were a distant memory.

Because of all the changes you go through while on hormones - while it might sound horrible to lose the ability to function as a male - truthfully, I cared less. If anything, because i thought of myself as a female, I did NOT want erections, so i was quite pleased with the change.

Also, be aware that being on anti-testosterones, your penis shrinks in size. Before HRT (hormone replacement therapy) i had an 8" penis. After 4 years on hormones I'd say it dropped down to about 6". After eight years on hormones, if I could get it up, I was probably down to about 4-5".

One other comment. Someone asked about the price of MtF sexual reassignment surgery. The cheapest place to go is Phuket, Thailand, where you can get it done for $4000-$5000. They have an interesting variation of the surgery too. Because hormones reduce the size of the penis - and your penis size equates to vaginal depth - the doctors in Thailand take a piece of your intestines, and use it to increase the depth of the vagina. Supposedly the mucous of the intestines also simulates the way a woman gets wet.

To some, using the intestines as part of the vagina is gross. To others it's sheer genius. Depends on your perspective.

Depending on where you go in the U.S. and Canada... Dr's Meltzer, Shrang, Menard, and Marcy Bowers (the post-op who took over Biber's practice in Trinidad, CO), the price can vary from $15,000 in Canada to $25,000 in the U.S.

Hope that helps.

Stay sweet,
Steffie

 

[m_elise]

A very happy Meltzer Girl here!

 

[Stefani]

Congrat's Elise!

If I had gone through with the surgury, my boyfriend at the time who was going to pay for it (who was a doctor himself), wanted me to go to Toby. As a physician, he felt Toby Meltzer was the best surgeon of the bunch.

Stay sweet,
Steffie

 

[temp256]

Do I understand correctly in that starting hormone treatment means giving up all sexual pleasures? This just makes me even more depressed...

 

[Stefani]

Temp, not at all.

While i was on hormones, i still had sex.... I just didn't desire it as frequently.

Actually I enjoyed the changes quite a bit. As a guy, I always felt like a prisoner of my sexual desires. As a woman, I felt I had much more control over my body and my desires. As a guy, I had sex with a lot of toads simply because i was horny. As a girl, I turned away many prospective lovers simply because I wanted a lot more from a partner than just sex.

As a guy, i craved sexual release. As a woman, I craved intimacy, affection, love... I'd often give a man what he wanted, just so I could get what i wanted.

I wouldn't worry about the affects of hormones. The changes are subtle and take place over years. It's not like suddenly on Friday you lose all sexual desire. They are slow changes that you grow into, and grow to appreciate.

 

[temp256]

So what is sex/masturbation like with the hormones? Any different aside from loss of erections? Better or worse? (Aside from the emotional empowerment of being "correct")

I don't mean to pry, but these are the sort of questions I can't find answers to anywhere else.

I'm not really worried about loss of libido; I have little to none as it is. All the emotional changes I read about seem to match me perfectly, so I am concentrating my research on the physical.

 

[Stefani]

So what is sex/masturbation like with the hormones? Any different aside from loss of erections? Better or worse?

What masturbation?

For me, masturbation went out the window with erections. Particularly when i was on androcur. Even if i could have gotten hard, i doubt i would have masturbated. I just didn't feel any interest in doing so.

That might sound horrible to some, but to me it was a relief. I felt like a smoker who had just kicked a nicotine habit.

The only sex i had was with my lover. Most of the time i was on hormones i was living with a black man - who had a high sex drive. Even though i wasn't as horny as he was - when we made love i enjoyed it tremendously. It feels different from the way you enjoy pleasure as a man - but it's definitely quite exciting - and you don't need an erection to enjoy it.

 

[John Doe]

Temp, not at all.

While i was on hormones, i still had sex.... I just didn't desire it as frequently.

Actually I enjoyed the changes quite a bit. As a guy, I always felt like a prisoner of my sexual desires. As a woman, I felt I had much more control over my body and my desires. As a guy, I had sex with a lot of toads simply because i was horny. As a girl, I turned away many prospective lovers simply because I wanted a lot more from a partner than just sex.

As a guy, i craved sexual release. As a woman, I craved intimacy, affection, love... I'd often give a man what he wanted, just so I could get what i wanted.

I wouldn't worry about the affects of hormones. The changes are subtle and take place over years. It's not like suddenly on Friday you lose all sexual desire. They are slow changes that you grow into, and grow to appreciate.

Since, as you say, the transition is very gradual, is it possible that your shift in attitude towards relationships was due in part to maturing?

 

[Stefani]

Since, as you say, the transition is very gradual, is it possible that your shift in attitude towards relationships was due in part to maturing?

It's a combination of a lot of things. At the core i think it was a hormonally inspired, physical change. It's also a matter of being influenced by other women and learning from them.

There is certainly some maturing involved. When i was first coming out as a woman the thing i craved more than anything was acceptance. I slept with guys simply because it was an affirmation that they saw me as woman and wanted me that way.

The longer I was out, my libido slowed, and the less I needed men's acceptance. Plus I noticed that a lot of men who spent all night smooth-talking me, once they got into my panties, had what the wanted and moved on to their next conquest. I got tired of being treated that way. I learned from my gg girlfriends that giving up the booty too fast hardly gains you any respect.

As a guy i wanted uncommitted sex - as a TS, i wanted a committed relationship.

These observations are my own, and in no way am i trying to say my feelings apply to all TS's.

 

[MyFriend27]

I guess I am a little puzzled by this statement. Many of the transwomen I know aren't "becoming" women - they are women, and are working to bring their bodies into alignment with their self-perception. Is that how you feel, or am I misunderstanding you?

A good website, by the way, is the TS Road Map. Definitely lots of good reading there.

No a man born a man is never a woman

 

[MyFriend27]

I hate the "trapped in a man's body" description. For some reason it annoys me. My perception is I was born a guy, and I never liked it, so I want to change it. It's merely a matter of defenition.

What i dont understand is what is so bad about being a guy that you prefer to act as though you are a woman and take pills and hormones so u can look and feel like a woman. I find trannies sexy as hell and love people in general and for who they are and the heart and i support the transexual community, however please dont confuse a transexual with a real female

 

[Etoile]

What i dont understand is what is so bad about being a guy that you prefer to act as though you are a woman and take pills and hormones so u can look and feel like a woman. I find trannies sexy as hell and love people in general and for who they are and the heart and i support the transexual community, however please dont confuse a transexual with a real female

How can you possibly support the transgender community if you can't respect them for who they really are?

 

[MyFriend27]

I was just stating a fact that is all

 

[Tymeless]

nope we really are women. and your ignorance is showing. you view us as sexual objects as just men with tits. Yes we are genetically male. Mentally we are female and its even supported scientifically by multiple test that it happens hormonally during pregnancy. MtF get to much estrogen and FtM get to much testosterone etc.

once you can understand we really are women just getting our bodies to match our minds then you can understand where me and temp and the others are coming from.

Like say you enjoy being a man and you are a man and you wake up one day as a woman, yeah its cool and fun at first for you you get to explore like no other man has before, then suddenly you have your first period you start having to worry bout pregnancy and other things women worry about your physical strength is gone and you put yourself in bad situations possibly get raped being in the wrong body suddenly isn't so fun anymore. You feel out of place you feel stranded so on and so forth. Well thats kinda how we feel but we have been living it from birth in the wrong body.

 

[naughtyinsilk]

Whether MTF or FTM, anybody who decides to undergo the process of correcting their bodies to match their mind & soul, gets nothing but total respect from me.
I would urge anybody to actually read up on the mentally draining and long tortuous path that the person must undergo to make this correction before they actually comment on it.
And the best comment is I will support you, I will love you & I will be there every step of the way, to help you achieve your dream.

Tymeless, I would like to say to you & other girls like yourself who are going through this, that their are some men like myself who do understand what you are going through, who can treat you, as you deserve to be treated, and who will hug you when times are hard and you are feeling down.

 

[MyFriend27]

PLZ dont call me ignorant

Because i have an opinion then differs from u
No i just thinking taking all this artificial stuff can be dangerous no different then a man taking steroids for muscle. Definetly not ignorant and yes i see transexxual as sex objects because i find them to be beautiful> From a mental aspect ofcourse you can be a female and that is fine But i was defending a comment made by another poster that is all. Anyways i am very open sexual and to all types people who hate aggravate me

 

[Etoile]

The only fact I see here is that you don't have respect for transgendered people. I'm not saying it's wrong or right that someone is really a man or really a woman. What I'm saying is that even though you profess to love people for who they are, you don't have respect for them. If you did, you wouldn't insist that they are wrong about how they describe themselves, what's "real" and what's not.