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I happen to be friends with a scientist over in Goodall's camp busy at work refuting in several published papers the "food for sex" theory among chimps.
 
so it's a human evil... well, most evils are, come to think of it.
 
ED said

//In my head i was setting up prostitution today against presumably well fed holy whore of another age and embellishing on the shift in power.

It's also a dark fantasy- because it's near to an unfair reality, to imagine that the level of needs being exchanged reflects in a personal way on the relative values of the participants in the eyes of each other and of the society at large i.e. He can pay her to fulfil his sexual need because her dire straits aren't important to the people around her in a way that shakes them up. On top of which most of the world's dire straits prostitutes are women because as you pointed out, their gender embodies their value to a lot of people.

If she were a shoemaker for Nike it would be a similar situation.//

This seems right, though I don't know where you're taking it. A number of jobs we like to have done, seem to depend on someone's dire straits: grapes picked; flowers harvested; ore extracted from mines. Indeed, I'd buy the argument that, at least in the West, the problems and ills a prostitute faces are no so bad as those, say, of a coal miner.
 
Have I touted this book before? Sounds like it deserves a prominent spot in the Topopolis City Library, required reading for grade 12.

http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2003/08/02/platform/index.html
The sexual bomb thrower

It's been called pornographic, adolescent, racist and xenophobic, but Michel Houllebecq's "Platform" is a brilliant study of the sexual condition of the Western world.

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[review by]
By Charles Taylor


So let's get it out of the way -- Houellebecq is impolite, strident, sometimes showily cruel, and determined to offend. "Repetitive, one-sided, subtle as a jackhammer," Michael Harris wrote in an admiring review of "The Elementary Particles" in the Los Angeles Times, and he's not wrong. There are moments in "Platform" as well where you wish some editor had told Houellebecq that he simply didn't have to work so hard to jolt us. He has to tell us that an old man who dies from a blow to the head has his brains spill over a concrete floor. When one character escapes death after being gang-raped, Houellebecq makes sure to include a description of the rapists' usual method of killing their victims. A business meeting in an office complex sealed off from the dangerous neighborhood outside coincides with the murder of an old lady by a street gang. The narrator masturbates at a peep show while he imagines the fat, stupid (his description) intern who works in his office gorging chocolate cake at a patisserie. Like Houellebecq's tirades against American and British pop literature (which are nonetheless frequently hilarious), these scenes are cheap examples of "epater le bourgeoisie," and they are easy to discount.

The rest of "Platform" is not so easily discounted. Some critics have said that Houellebecq has written a novel of ideas -- a reliable way to scare off potential readers if ever there was one. What he has written is a novel of provocations -- sexual, cultural, political, racial. And even if you find half of them too simple, even when the philosophizing and theorizing that attend them grow tiresome, they have a hard rational core that demands they at least be grappled with. (It doesn't hurt that "Platform," written in a casual, conversational style, reads like a shot.)

Houellebecq opens with a deliberate echo of the opening of Camus's "The Stranger" ("Maman died today"): "Father died today." The narrator, like the author, is named Michel. He's a 40-something civil servant, working in a government bureau that funds cultural events. A loner, alienated but not dead to the world, he is almost comically typical of French heroes, unable to feel passion in his work or his life. He takes care of his sexual urges at peep shows or in unsatisfying encounters with prostitutes. The death of his father affords him a sudden financial windfall and he rouses himself from his lethargy to embark on a tour of Bangkok. There he meets Valérie, whom he's attracted to but whom he does not take up with until after the tour, when they are both back in Paris. {end excerpt}
 
sexual dogsbody
sexual batman
sexual factotum
sexual stepin fetchit
sexual gal friday
sexual gofer
sexual toady
sexual accomplice
sexual apprentice
sexual appointee
sexual suboordinate
sexual right-hand-woman
sexual peon
sexual follower
sexual deputy
 
Dearest Little One
Sweet dove
Dear Mousekins
Sweet sub
Cherished slave
Loving servant
Devoted little bird
Best girl
Good girl
Daddy's little girl
Daddy's special one
Papa's mouse
Little honey
Daddy's sweet one
Sweet kitten
Sex kitten
Lovely puss
Minou
Daddy's best girl
Papa's toy
Sweet sparrow
Papa's lamb
Daddy's precious baby
Baby Doll
Honey babe

;)

{PS--- Added--- Of course, where gender roles are being messed with, substitute appropriately in the above, "Momma" for "Papa"; 'best boy' for 'best girl' etc. Although to degrade a male may involve making no such 'appropriate' substitutions; i.e., keep 'best girl.'}
 
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Not what you say, it's...

Yes, but picture:

*A soft, gentle, loving "My precious little girl" whispered directly into the ear as his hand closes over the mouth and nostrils. Never breaking eye contact, that ambiguous smile.

*"You gonna take it? You gonna be a good girl for Daddy? No, I know it hurts, but it's okay, it's supposed to hurt. You're being a good girl. Now just shut your fucking mouth and TAKE IT."

*"Pretty girl wants more?" Screams of what sounds like "no" and "please." "No, I think my baby wants more of this. That's just what she'll get, then."

The most terrifying experiences can be with the combination of that sweet voice and the incomparably brutal actions accompanying it. Yes, I lust after pure scary, but sometimes the contrast is worse.

However, I can't keep from smirking at "little one." Just funny to me. Most of your examples fell into that category, Pure...but on the softer side of life, T calls me "Muffin" and I dig that completely.
 
Quint said,

*"Pretty girl wants more?" Screams of what sounds like "no" and "please." "No, I think my baby wants more of this. That's just what she'll get, then."

The most terrifying experiences can be with the combination of that sweet voice and the incomparably brutal actions accompanying it. Yes, I lust after pure scary, but sometimes the contrast is worse.


Quint, you have a sadistic diseased mind and a disordered imagination. You're an outstanding citizen of Topopolis.




:rose:
 
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Being attuned to those contrasts is the only way a Top ever made my toes curl. Nowadays I tend to sit back and appreciate, but there was a time it made me want to play.

I think of it as a somewhat feminine energy, to be able to kiss someone sweetly while you twist his nuts. I think of it as "Bitch" and it's requisite for me, it's subtle and multilayered and so few men know how to work it, but those that do...ahhh.

This is always my personal MO. I far prefer that quiet, controlled dangerous edge than the screaming orders, or totally impassive, impenetrable demeanor you'll find among other Dommes.

Cat-with-mouse glee, or a study in contrasts, listen to my voice drop, listen to a sparkly-eyed feminine seduction come over me, and you know I'm there. And then the whips come out.
 
I think I need several fillings, Pure, after that listing.

My personal favorite though, is "kitten"

especially as applied to big hairy butches.
 
Johnny Mayberry said:
Also, does anyone know how to turn down the pressure on a nail gun?

I only ask because I once saw a nail gun loaded with very slim, very long nails, and I wondered if it wouldn't be possible to nail a person's feet to a board by the webbing between their toes, and then whip them mercilessly.
 
Netzach said:

I think of it as a somewhat feminine energy, to be able to kiss someone sweetly while you twist his nuts. I think of it as "Bitch" and it's requisite for me, it's subtle and multilayered and so few men know how to work it, but those that do...ahhh.


cocky smirk
 
A category of erotica; Rough Trade

This is a proposal for a new thread or subthread topic
Rough Trade/Violent-sex--- stories of violence or cruelty in a sexualized context lacking true consent*** of the one(s) acted upon of any gender.

There may be sexual reactions in the objects of violence, but that pleasure isn't the aim of the main actor. Rather, it is "exercise" of power, and/or infliction of pain, typically at the expense of the afflicted one's [male or female], which typically leads to the afflictor's, the active one's orgasm. (True sadism).

The violence stops short of serious lasting physical harm or death, though the psychological 'fear' factor may be extreme.

Examples, well written: some of the gay male lit is in this vein, e.g., Burroughs, esp. a story I remember about 'steely Dan' from Yokahama (young bottom reamed with large steel dildo). Here at literotica, see

The Sucking of a Jew, by roscoe rathbone


http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=63139

which indicates the gray areas of present 'non consent' and incidentally features no female orgasm.

The rough trade/violent-sex category has overlaps of possible confusions with other categories, see below.

Forced sex fantasies. [present 'nonconsent'] There is force applied for the afflictor's gratification and enjoyment. Despite initial lack of consent of the afflictee, 'she' (in most stories) is gratified to some or large extent; generally comes, this being a key fantasy element . Nothing other than minor or transient physical injury.

BDSM: descriptions of consensual encounters with mild to moderate infliction of pain, or 'humiliation', or simply with 'domination' [commanding ordering directing]. The mutual gratification of the two players is an object of both of them; No serious/lasting injury, even with consent.

Extreme: Extreme cruelty or brutality, possibly divorced from sexual aims. May include torture, murder, cannibalism. May result in serious last injury, maiming or death. With or without consent. Fantasies as depicted in the stories, but if carried out in real life, would be 'true psychopathic sadism' and heinous crimes, e.g, murders.


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**Other examples of rough trade:
If you want examples, well written, some of the gay male lit is in this vein, e.g., Burroughs, esp a story I remember about 'steely Dan' from Yokahama (young bottom reamed with large steel dildo). Also some passages of _Last Exit to Brooklyn_. Passages in Sade which stop short of mutilation or murder--there are some--also fit.

***{Added} There is either no consent or the victim goes along with things in a way that appears wholly rooted in selfdestructiveness; say, the rape victim's feeling of deserving the brutality (not finding pleasure, but having the feeling of its being condign). There is a yielding without protest that appears to come from the 'dark pull' of some inner compulsion that's heedless of the person's welfare. --- I'm not sure this makes sense.
 
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Haha, Pure, they really have your number over there. Esp. loved the one about you being a "nipple biter", loved only by the cause-betraying nurturers.

What I love about Pure is that, not only does he never give up an argument; he also genuinely ENJOYS all abuse recieved in course of same. Making him invincible, basically.

I wonder where Netzach fits in with the nurturer thing.
 
Hi RR,

Let me say what's behind the proposal. That way I see it, certain categories or types of stories or preferences (lifestyles) tend to get 'sanitized'; this is esp. true in bdsm stories with a few exceptions. See the slave auction, by zenwstick

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=31818

What people get confused is real life legal issues and story issues: since you need consent to stay out of jail irl, then 'consent' is held out as a requirement of the *story*.
The one, the 'bottom' in the story must consent.

So the proposal involves sex/aggression mixes, unihibited by consent issues or 'rape[=force]fantasyfemalefulfillmnet' agenda.
Basically it's abusive sex or sexualized (for the afflictor) abuse[non lethal], depending how you want to style it.

That's the link with the Topopolis tradition.

Here's an example:

The Sucking of a Jew, by roscoe rathbone,

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=63139


OTOH, I don't think slice and dice and eat the boobs is necessary, to have a stirring yarn. There is a place for extreme.

The only other category of relevance is non-consent, but its definition as happy orgasmic fantasy with lovey dovey ending overshadows the other elements; any 'force' is either play or preliminary. The fight over the SUV story (A cunt in a SUV, by americandemon) shows that 'nonconsent' has now a kinda of narrowly defined pro woman's orgasm focus.

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Added: some of the impetus for the 'new category' was the fierce debate over the story 'a cunt in a SUB' (not all that well written); it began in "Hey Killer M". the urls, including for the story are as follows:

my new thread with proposal 'possible new category'

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=191565
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OLD THREADS, esp. touching on the demon story, all in author's forum

story ( a cunt in a SUV) is at
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=85509

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language is dangerous

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190296

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someone is talking about my story

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=189149

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Hey Killer Muffin {the original attack}

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188646
 
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Somehow, my The Sucking Of A Jew got accepted into the NC section-after several reads by the editors re snuff content-though it depicts the female lead as nothing more than an orifice and object of humiliations; considerably more "de-humanized" than the woman in the SUV story and certainly not afforded any orgasms of any sort.
 
Netzach is unaffiliated and speaks for Netzach.

I don't actually know jack about the stories here. I come here for this kind of lucsious debate.

If a story gets edited or tossed I don't find myself in a First Amendment tizz, though. This ain't your local basement printing press and this ain't your local stump in a park.
 
Right, there's no first amendment issues on a privately owned board.

But the arguments used by the categorize/sequester group {send it to extreme} tend to reflect arguments of real life censors and pro censorhsip groups like LEAF and pro censorship judges.

So the debate is a microcosm, imo.

As above, I say

Basically it's abusive sex or sexualized (for the afflictor) abuse[non lethal], depending how you want to style it.

The 'anti' arguement is that it dehumanizes the objects--assumed to be women-- and makes us men into monsters. In the present SUV story debate it was suggested, as well, that the author was a monster, about to rape and pillage.

J.

Added: besides rr's fine story, a fair-to-middling example of this category is "A good doggy for Mistress N" by a-d

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=44016
 
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I like this poem by the american demon, called "Beautiful Girls"

"Your minds confuse us to no end.
Your beauty blinds us we can't defend.
Our desire for you burns us still.
Our eyes can't seem to get their fill.

Your words can hurt like no others can.
But all is forgiven if I'm your man.
Your sex drives us wild we beg for more.
Heavens angel my personal whore.

You tease,tempt and titillate.
If we can't have you we'll masturbate.
You beautiful girls you know who you are.
Our light in the darkness our shining star."
 
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