Tom Brady

[lovetopleasewomen]

4 game suspension nullified in federal court. As it should have been.

This was a frame from the get go.

 

[cranders3019]

And now the NFL will appeal and drag this nonsense on even longer. The Pats and Brady will use this as motivation like did Spygate in 2007.

 

[PeteHulbert37]

Goodell is an idiot. That is all.

 

[papadoc19]

Chances are it will get re-instated on appeal

 

[AbsintheFather]

Chances are it will get re-instated on appeal

And . . . I hope that the Pats then have to forfeit any game he played in.

 

[lovetopleasewomen]

Chances are it will get re-instated on appeal

Those are some mighty slim chances.

And . . . I hope that the Pats then have to forfeit any game he played in.

That would never happen.

 

[LinusRules]

Chances are it will get re-instated on appeal

Berman has a low rate of having his cases successfully appealed. His rulings are carefully crafted to avoid them. That said, it could happen. Of course there was no merit to the actual investigation so this is more a question of whether the union can give Goodell the ability to railroad any player he chooses.

 

[lovetopleasewomen]

Berman has a low rate of having his cases successfully appealed. His rulings are carefully crafted to avoid them. That said, it could happen. Of course there was no merit to the actual investigation so this is more a question of whether the union can give Goodell the ability to railroad any player he chooses.

This whole thing was a set up from the get go.

 

[1sickbastard]

Berman has a low rate of having his cases successfully appealed. His rulings are carefully crafted to avoid them. That said, it could happen. Of course there was no merit to the actual investigation so this is more a question of whether the union can give Goodell the ability to railroad any player he chooses.

The owners may strip Goodell of that ability soon.

 

[LinusRules]

But not the $35 million he's going to make? Doubtful? Plus the owners showed they didn't like Kraft or the Patriots by their public comments.

 

[AbsintheFather]

What's the point in having any rules at all if they can be broken without consequence?

It's like raising kids, or having laws. There needs to be a negative consequence for willful misconduct. In baseball, if you cork a bat or throw a spitter and you're caught, there are suspensions. Why shouldn't there be for Tom Brady - I really don't know why he, his owner and Boston fans feel that he's somehow above the rule book.

 

[lovetopleasewomen]

What's the point in having any rules at all if they can be broken without consequence?

It's like raising kids, or having laws. There needs to be a negative consequence for willful misconduct. In baseball, if you cork a bat or throw a spitter and you're caught, there are suspensions. Why shouldn't there be for Tom Brady - I really don't know why he, his owner and Boston fans feel that he's somehow above the rule book.

He is certainly is not above the rules. I just haven't seen any evidence he did anything wrong. All I've heard is..."maybe, more probably then not" ......

 

[Lia Monde]

What's the point in having any rules at all if they can be broken without consequence?

It's like raising kids, or having laws. There needs to be a negative consequence for willful misconduct. In baseball, if you cork a bat or throw a spitter and you're caught, there are suspensions. Why shouldn't there be for Tom Brady - I really don't know why he, his owner and Boston fans feel that he's somehow above the rule book.

In most of America, it's innocent until proven guilty. Not in the NFL. Not only did the NFL not produce any evidence of guilt, as the judge said, they botched many basic principles of due process and fair play. I'm a Broncos fan, but seems like a personal vendetta and power trip by Goodell. It raises the old question: now that he's been slandered, "Where does Brady go to get his reputation back?"

 

[Lit_Rogue]

I doubt anyone believes that two parttime equipment employees deflated game balls without some sort of encouragement from the quarterback, particularly one as demanding as Brady. That said, the only question that Judge Berman should have ruled on is did the league follow the disciplinary format in the Collective Bargaining Agreement that both the owners and players agreed to. An agreement by the way, that only the players from one team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, rejected because they felt it gave the commissioner too much power. And the head negotiator for the owners: Robert Kraft.

 

[LinusRules]

I doubt anyone believes that two parttime equipment employees deflated game balls without some sort of encouragement from the quarterback, particularly one as demanding as Brady. That said, the only question that Judge Berman should have ruled on is did the league follow the disciplinary format in the Collective Bargaining Agreement that both the owners and players agreed to. An agreement by the way, that only the players from one team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, rejected because they felt it gave the commissioner too much power. And the head negotiator for the owners: Robert Kraft.

Berman's ruling was that it was implied that the Commissioner would implement discipline after due process and the league's prcocess was a joke.

Did the Patriot equipment guys also deflate the Colts balls? I mean before the game, not after the Pats lit up the Colts in the second half....after the balls were adjusted by the refs.

 

[lovetopleasewomen]

Berman's ruling was that it was implied that the Commissioner would implement discipline after due process and the league's prcocess was a joke.

Did the Patriot equipment guys also deflate the Colts balls? I mean before the game, not after the Pats lit up the Colts in the second half....after the balls were adjusted by the refs.

And that's where the problems started. A loser of a player who doesn't start, who lost to the Patriots before & is losing to them again, catches a ball, the first one in who knows how long, and he decides something is wrong with the ball? And yet the officials, who handle the ball before and after each play, didn't notice anything?

And how come we never heard any testimony from the officials?

 

[Lit_Rogue]

Berman's ruling was that it was implied that the Commissioner would implement discipline after due process and the league's prcocess was a joke.

Did the Patriot equipment guys also deflate the Colts balls? I mean before the game, not after the Pats lit up the Colts in the second half....after the balls were adjusted by the refs.

The question is did the league follow their procedure, not whether it was fair. It was an agreed upon procedure. And cheating has no basis in the result; if you cheated off the dumb kid in high school and got all wrong answers you still cheated.

 

[LinusRules]

The question is did the league follow their procedure, not whether it was fair. It was an agreed upon procedure. And cheating has no basis in the result; if you cheated off the dumb kid in high school and got all wrong answers you still cheated.

And Berman said they didn't follow their procedure. In other cases the league warned the players what the punishment would be but they never warned Brady. There you go.

He intimated during the trial that the investigation was a joke and didn't prove anything. Brady didn't cheat and received justice.

Brady is FREE!!

 

[papadoc19]

Berman has a low rate of having his cases successfully appealed. His rulings are carefully crafted to avoid them. That said, it could happen. Of course there was no merit to the actual investigation so this is more a question of whether the union can give Goodell the ability to railroad any player he chooses.

The CBA grants him broad discretion...much broader than Berman seemed to acknowledge in his decision...taken to its logical conclusion, Berman seems to be saying unless something is explicitly written in the confines of the agreement the NFL has no ability to act...

 

[PeteHulbert37]

The precedent is a $25k fine. If that had been levied, I seriously doubt Brady or anyone would appeal it. That's what had been dished out previously.

However, Goodell with egg on his face from last summer's PR nightmare of how he handled the Ray Rice incident caused him to flip out and turn a mole hill into a mountain. Then, his ego wouldn't let him admit that he was wrong.

A judge found that he was.

 

[LinusRules]

The CBA grants him broad discretion...much broader than Berman seemed to acknowledge in his decision...taken to its logical conclusion, Berman seems to be saying unless something is explicitly written in the confines of the agreement the NFL has no ability to act...

And if Goodell used the powers granted him in the CBA to carry out activities that through observation appeared to be racist, by all means he should be able to do it.

I think Berman found enough in how the NFL handed out the punishment to say it was not in conformity with its own established protocols to vacate the suspension, hence keeping it above an appeal. At the same time, it is adequately implied that the powers granted Goodell were given with the expectation that they would be wielded fairly. It goes without saying the union did not grant him the power to be a dictator.

 

[lacandy]

And that's where the problems started. A loser of a player who doesn't start, who lost to the Patriots before & is losing to them again, catches a ball, the first one in who knows how long, and he decides something is wrong with the ball? And yet the officials, who handle the ball before and after each play, didn't notice anything?

And how come we never heard any testimony from the officials?

YES!!!

This has been my question the entire time!

I am a Charger girl, but I think that Brady was the victim of someone trying to save face after a complete fuck up. (I mean really, punching your girlfriend should have been where he lost his shit, not deflating a ball, but I digress).

The refs handle the balls after EVERY FUCKING PLAY - how did they not notice that they were deflated?

On a good note...I have my son's Science Fair experiment for this year because of all of this.

 

[BongoGal]

I will note that Tom Brady had aged very, very well. When he was a college senior, pics of him make him appear to be almost doughy and dorky. Fast forward to 2015, and now he is drop-dead handsome with a younger man's sexual spark. If Giselle ever needs an understudy to take over for an evening, I'm always available.

 

[lacandy]

Funny enough - I open ESPN.com today (gotta check on my fantasy team so I can make sure I kick some butt this week ) and this story was on the front page.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

 

[lovetopleasewomen]

Funny enough - I open ESPN.com today (gotta check on my fantasy team so I can make sure I kick some butt this week ) and this story was on the front page.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

more whinny bullshit. It's called industrial espionage. If you're in competition with anybody in the same field with the same goal in mind, "it's what you do" . It happens everywhere, in business, in war, in love, in baseball, it happens between motorcycle clubs... we're all looking for some info to gain an advantage.

What do you think players are doing when we hear about all the time they spend in the film room, watching Peewee's big adventure? What about every season when players & coaches switch teams, you think they don't share info?

Spygate happened because mangini is a dickhead.