TN school board bans Maus...

[butters]

Art Spiegelman’s Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel relating the story of his father's Holocaust experience, including his time in concentration camps. The illustrations are of mice. The objectors were objecting to *naked cartoon mice * during a genocide and for the word 'damn' as a 'swear word'.
edit: *: not naked cartoon mice, a naked woman

I’ve read it and read through all of it and the parts it talks about the father, the father is the guy that went through the Holocaust, I really enjoyed, I liked it,” said school board member Mike Cochran. “There were other parts that were completely unnecessary.” Cochran also stated that he felt teachers could “teach kids history” without “nakedness and all the other stuff.” Another board member, Tony Allman expressed concern about the violence in the book, saying, “It shows people hanging, it shows them killing kids, why does the educational system promote this kind of stuff?”

“I’m kind of baffled by this,” Spiegelman told CNBC when reached for comment. “It’s leaving me with my jaw open, like, ‘What?’” He continued, “I also understand that Tennessee is obviously demented. There’s something going on very, very haywire there.” Other authors have also condemned the decision, with fellow graphic novelist Neil Gaiman tweeting, “There’s only one kind of people who would vote to ban Maus, whatever they are calling themselves these days.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...st-voted-to-ban-maus/ar-AATbjTc?ocid=msedgntp

 

[pecksniff]

Well, I can understand how people could see it as not suitable for children. But it has a proper place in high school. Even in middle school, my class read The Diary of Anne Frank. (Of course, in that story, all the violence happens off-camera, as it were.)

 

[bodysong]

Considering the fact that the Trump Alliance sent billions of taxpayer cash
to Trump operatives and election campaign donors in order get cages built
for children, and prison camps for children, on government-controlled land,
and sent money to private prisons, to hold undocumented teens, and DACA
teens, before Trump's political servants deported them to places they never lived.

Christian Evangelicals started the ball rolling, by taking stolen babies and adopting
them, before their parents could find them, taking cash for playing foster parent.
Bringing stolen children into Christian Evangelical holding areas, hiding them
from their family, until Trump's political servants could deport the parents and
guardians.

Do you remember the Christian woman telling lies about the Potemkin facade
of the model baby prison ? Just like luxury daycare, and summer camp for children!

How it ended : Four year olds and three year olds changing the sick babies diapers-
because the mlitary prison guards did not sign up for childcare. The few doctors and
nurses hired for the for-profit children prisons drugged the children, because the heart-
broken children cried. Of course the children paid the price in pain - cracked skulls,
broken bones from being to drugged to walk. Abuse from caretakers and guards.
Denial of any contact from family. It got very ugly, when subcontractors got caught
dropping children in the middle of nowhere, outside of the USA.

You can be sure that MAGA parents will not tell their children about that,
or all the parents that died in Trump's prisons when Covid-19 spread in
the disgusting conditions that greedy contractors provided for jailed
undocumented migrants. The American border guards killed migrants
to amuse themselves.

That is some NAZI shit! The books about this horror and disgrace won't be
on the school's bookshelves, either.

White children have absorbed some toxic ideas from their parents.

 

[toeskr]

Considering the fact that the Trump Alliance sent billions of taxpayer cash
to Trump operatives and election campaign donors in order get cages built
for children, and prison camps for children, on government-controlled land,
and sent money to private prisons, to hold undocumented teens, and DACA
teens, before Trump's political servants deported them to places they never lived.

Christian Evangelicals started the ball rolling, by taking stolen babies and adopting
them, before their parents could find them, taking cash for playing foster parent.
Bringing stolen children into Christian Evangelical holding areas, hiding them
from their family, until Trump's political servants could deport the parents and
guardians.

Do you remember the Christian woman telling lies about the Potemkin facade
of the model baby prison ? Just like luxury daycare, and summer camp for children!

How it ended : Four year olds and three year olds changing the sick babies diapers-
because the mlitary prison guards did not sign up for childcare. The few doctors and
nurses hired for the for-profit children prisons drugged the children, because the heart-
broken children cried. Of course the children paid the price in pain - cracked skulls,
broken bones from being to drugged to walk. Abuse from caretakers and guards.
Denial of any contact from family. It got very ugly, when subcontractors got caught
dropping children in the middle of nowhere, outside of the USA.

You can be sure that MAGA parents will not tell their children about that,
or all the parents that died in Trump's prisons when Covid-19 spread in
the disgusting conditions that greedy contractors provided for jailed
undocumented migrants. The American border guards killed migrants
to amuse themselves.

That is some NAZI shit! The books about this horror and disgrace won't be
on the school's bookshelves, either.

White children have absorbed some toxic ideas from their parents.

Umm... your hero Obama started the the underage jails and camps. And tried to surreptitiously deport aliens. Unfortunately the news got out but still, the progressive was responsible for more deportations than any president before or since.

Thanks Obama!

 

[phrodeau]

Umm... your hero Obama started the the underage jails and camps. And tried to surreptitiously deport aliens. Unfortunately the news got out but still, the progressive was responsible for more deportations than any president before or since.

Thanks Obama!

Teach that then, but be prepared when students ask what happened next.

 

[toeskr]

Once everyone wakes up, please quote fraud so I can laugh at his reply.

 

[phrodeau]

Once everyone wakes up, please quote fraud so I can laugh at his reply.

Click on the “read post” button, dumbass.

 

[Chernosoth]

Concentration camps and genocide may be too evocative of current events.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Click on the “read post” button, dumbass.

Cckskr is just babbling some nonsense again. Nothing important or relevant.

 

[toeskr]

When puk gives fraud a reach around, he thinks he is relevant.

 

[pecksniff]

Concentration camps and genocide may be too evocative of current events.

We do have concentration camps here, but the only genocide going on now is happening in China.

 

[butters]

https://www.wate.com/news/local-new...d-that-people-make-holocaust-book-accessible/

“Nothing in Maus is offensive because of the reasoning, with the reasoning that these parents have used to justify this. Things in Maus are offensive because they happened. The Holocaust is offensive,” Davis.

*

“The things that happened in ‘Maus’ really happened. And you know, I’m sorry that there’s eight bad words in the entire book, but you can hear that word on a PG-13 television show now,” Davis said.

As far as the nudity, he said there is a part about a nude woman committing suicide. He said yes, that happened. It was the Holocaust.

a nude woman as portrayed by a naked cartoon mouse*. a nude mouse. i see nude mice and rats and have never been offended once by their nakedness.
edit: *: apologies for misinformation, nude woman not nude mouse

At least one church in Athens is also fighting for freedom of speech and making sure residents have access to the history within the book.

St. Paul’s Episcopal Church is hosting a book discussion next week on “Maus.”

At St. Paul’s, we are committed to accompanying one another through difficult conversations as part of our mission to serve, nourish, and love all people. This book discussion event is for the parish and McMinn Co. community to gather together and dive into “Maus”, and to explore the moral responsibility we have to learn and keep history alive, especially the responsibility of Christians to stand against anti-Semitism past and present. This is an important book and we are thankful for an opportunity to make its story known and have meaningful conversations and community education about the topic. Folks with questions can call the church office at 423-745-2224 or email the priest at cbrown@stpaulsathens.org

 

[phrodeau]

https://www.wate.com/news/local-new...d-that-people-make-holocaust-book-accessible/a nude woman as portrayed by a naked cartoon mouse. a nude mouse. i see nude mice and rats and have never been offended once by their nakedness.

Not precisely. The drawing is of the artist’s mother, in a panel where they’re drawn as humans. She had slit her wrists in a bathtub.

 

[butters]

Not precisely. The drawing is of the artist’s mother, in a panel where they’re drawn as humans. She had slit her wrists in a bathtub.

thankyou for that correction. My apologies

2 days ago · The book tells the story of the Holocaust with Nazis as cats and Jews as mice, but a human character, the author's mother, is shown naked in …

 

[butters]

“But then I realized you don’t fight anger with anger, hate with hate,” Davis said. “I just felt like I needed to do something.”

The resulting Nirvana Comics initiative, “Project Maus,” was at first only supposed to loan copies of the book to students “like a library,” he said. But as word of the store’s intent spread through social media and supporters rushed in to help, those plans expanded. A GoFundMe that Davis set up to support giveaways of the book has raised more than $6,000 to date, and the book’s publishers at Penguin Random House negotiated a deal to sell 500 additional copies of “Maus” to Nirvana at a reduced price with the intent to give them away to students.

When “Star Trek: The Next Generation” actor Wil Wheaton shared Nirvana’s story on social media, “that’s when it really, really exploded,” Davis said. “That doesn’t surprise me because ‘Star Trek’ fans are some of the most amazing and committed fans on the planet.”

In addition, Davis said, he was in talks with a group of “Jewish attorneys and businessmen” whom he declined to name, but who he said were interested in purchasing an additional 1,000 copies of the book for free giveaways to McMinn County students. As the county itself only numbers around 50,000 people total, Davis said it could prove possible “to donate a copy of ‘Maus’ to every kid in McMinn County.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle...e-school-ban/ar-AATgbob?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

 

[Vetteman]

Not precisely. The drawing is of the artist’s mother, in a panel where they’re drawn as humans. She had slit her wrists in a bathtub.

You must be one sick fuck if you think it's OK for high school kids to read about suicide.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While I've been doing my best and failing rather miserably to care about this I'm not all that torn up on this particular issue. Last I checked school districts for better or worse are able to choose to varying degrees their own curiculum. Let it be stated this is one of the reasons I think there SHOULD absolutely be federal control over the education system. I'm kinda curious how a comic got in to begin with and one that makes light of the holocaust.

 

[pecksniff]

While I've been doing my best and failing rather miserably to care about this I'm not all that torn up on this particular issue. Last I checked school districts for better or worse are able to choose to varying degrees their own curiculum. Let it be stated this is one of the reasons I think there SHOULD absolutely be federal control over the education system. I'm kinda curious how a comic got in to begin with and one that makes light of the holocaust.

Well, I don't know as it makes light of the Holocaust.

A comic book that does would be an interesting concept. "Fun Times at Auschwitz Comix!"

 

[KeithD]

I'm kinda curious how a comic got in to begin with and one that makes light of the holocaust.

Then why didn't you look it up, and who told you it makes light of the Holocaust?

Since the banning, sales of the Pulitzer Prize-winning work have skyrocketed.

https://news.yahoo.com/sales-soar-maus-banning-tennessee-004218078.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well, I don't know as it makes light of the Holocaust.

A comic book that does would be an interesting concept. "Fun Times at Auschwitz Comix!"

How can it not make light of the topic with cats and mice. At the very least as much as 'An American Tail' does which does show the struggle of people escaping Russia, getting separated from their families and somehow thinking there weren't cats over here too waiting to put them back into similar situations. Its also a children's cartoon. It is not something, at least without context, that impresses anything but a cartoon that is less cute and more serious.

I would argue by a similar case that you could very easily especially minus the on the nose parts of 'Maus' and 'American Tail', 'The Land Before Time' is about refugees. Climate Change wasn't the thing it is today so I won't assume the writers were speaking specifically about that. Even if they were looking for The Great Valley which had more food and water. They are also plagued by Sharptooth which sure as fuck isn't Climate but could easily be an allegory for war or even Nazis specifically. He was born in '37 (I can't believe soon we are gonna have to start specifying which we mean sometimes) which would have made him between 7 and 8 (I'm not looking precise dates) when the war ended. Either way without the appropriate context whether what he originally intended or transposed to today about climate change. This shit is too serious for us to keep our prejudices up you don't have to work to hard to see things.

Which doesn't change my question of how it got in in the first place question. I'm sure there are other comics that would make for great teaching tools used properly. I have a habit of being long winded but Magneto X and Professor King clashing over how best to defend their people is. . .lets go back to where conservatives are comfortable and discuss how the Green M&M has lower heels, we can't see Minnie Mouse's panties anymore and Tucker Carlson is aghast that he no longer closes his eyes and wishes something would melt in mouth.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Then why didn't you look it up, and who told you it makes light of the Holocaust?

Since the banning, sales of the Pulitzer Prize-winning work have skyrocketed.

https://news.yahoo.com/sales-soar-maus-banning-tennessee-004218078.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

That article doesn't tell me how it got in there in the first place. Without googling I'm 100% certain it is not the only Pulitzer Prize winning comic book.

Common sense tells me that a comic about cats and mice is making light of the Holocaust. I went into more detail above.

 

[KeithD]

That article doesn't tell me how it got in there in the first place. Without googling I'm 100% certain it is not the only Pulitzer Prize winning comic book.

Common sense tells me that a comic about cats and mice is making light of the Holocaust. I went into more detail above.

I don't really care if you insist on remaining ignorant--and obnoxious--about this. It's you who is making light of the Holocaust here all because you're too lazy to do research on the topic.

 

[pecksniff]

I'm sure there are other comics that would make for great teaching tools used properly.

Sure. The best along those lines are Larry Gonick's!

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't really care if you insist on remaining ignorant--and obnoxious--about this. It's you who is making light of the Holocaust here all because you're too lazy to do research on the topic.

You provided a link that offered no insight into the subject. You could always remain silent since its obvious you don't understand either.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sure. The best along those lines are Larry Gonick's!

Those look like they would be great judging by the brief discription. Trust me as someone who has a great interest in paleontology, biology and astronomy (arguably the LEAST dense of the three) I know how science can be boring as all fucking hell and I have no argument with using them to teach or at least inspire.

You could do worse than 'The Boondocks' which isn't really cleanly translated to the cartoon of the same name.

I will never deny the ability to teach through media other than simply books and lectures. I think we cut ourselves short by limiting our tools to just those, especially now.