George Takei and others school rowling over her latest anti-trans rant, which has her dabbling in Holocaust denial

[butters]

numerous people responded to rowling's ugliness over trans women, some directly calling her out for supporting the exact same kind of actions and dialogue employed by the nazis back in the 1930s

her attempt to be scathing—“How did you type this out and press send without thinking ‘I should maybe check my source for this, because it might’ve been a fever dream’?”—directed at one person who asked how she could she be so desperate to defend nazi ideology around gender, brought out the heavy-hitters to attempt to educate her: George Takei, Alejandra Caraballo, and Erin Reed. Takei directly told her she was wrong, and took lengths to illuminate her ignorance.

rowling posted about malcolm clark's thread, which blatantly states trans people at Dachau were not victims of the eminent eugenics doctor, the one who pioneered trans surgery with experiments devised at Dachau... like that was a good thing. and also not true, since trans people did die there.

they gave her dates, historical facts, insight and truth: they posted links to articles from the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, the U.S Holocaust Memorial Museum, the Smithsonian Magazine, plus an early edition of the German Nazi publication Der Stürmer (portraying an image of the Jewish Doctor Hirschfield and text framing him as a 'groomer').

rowling, par for the course for anti-trans people, refused to accept the education, preferring to exist in her own warped bubble of belief regardless of how out of kilter that might be with reality.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=eb051e26e45648b695183a1f3ac6c5f3&ei=65

 

[jomar]

Like Aaron Rogers, Rowling is another example of never meet your heroes

 

[Biker_Faerie]

Rowling lives in a country (Scotland) where it’s government voted to give male rapists (who committed their crimes as men) the opportunity to declare themselves as trans in order that they could serve their time in female prisons.

Isn’t that like letting the fox into the hen house.

 

[Greylag]

Rowling lives in a country (Scotland) where it’s government voted to give male rapists (who committed their crimes as men) the opportunity to declare themselves as trans in order that they could serve their time in female prisons.

Isn’t that like letting the fox into the hen house.

Absolutely right and disgusted so many of us!

 

[butters]

Rowling lives in a country (Scotland) where it’s government voted to give male rapists (who committed their crimes as men) the opportunity to declare themselves as trans in order that they could serve their time in female prisons.

Isn’t that like letting the fox into the hen house.

that has nothing to do with this thread, but since you brought it up:

According to the latest Scottish Prison Service (SPS) statistics, there were 12 trans women and three trans men prisoners between October and December 2022.

There were 7,019 male prisoners and 265 female inmates.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-63823420

in the case of Isla Bryson, she was first held in Cornton Vale, a women's prison, away from the prison population but then removed.
The review of the Scottish law deems that no prisoner who still has male genitalia or a history of physical violence will serve their time in a women's prison. It also takes into account what is best for the transitioned/transitioning prisoner, other inmates and staff with regards to safety, including holding them apart from the gen pop and gradual, heavily-monitored exposure to the prison population.

you speak as if the law means a carte-blanche for male rapists to live a cushier existence in a women's prison... it doesn't. You also entirely ignore the prevalence of female on female violence, sexual and non-sexual, that goes on in prisons... no cocks included.

 

[Biker_Faerie]

that has nothing to do with this thread, but since you brought it up:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-63823420

in the case of Isla Bryson, she was first held in Cornton Vale, a women's prison, away from the prison population but then removed.
The review of the Scottish law deems that no prisoner who still has male genitalia or a history of physical violence will serve their time in a women's prison. It also takes into account what is best for the transitioned/transitioning prisoner, other inmates and staff with regards to safety, including holding them apart from the gen pop and gradual, heavily-monitored exposure to the prison population.

you speak as if the law means a carte-blanche for male rapists to live a cushier existence in a women's prison... it doesn't. You also entirely ignore the prevalence of female on female violence, sexual and non-sexual, that goes on in prisons... no cocks included.

I would disagree that it is irrelevant to this thread. It just doesn’t support your argument. Thank you for adjudicating that my point is irrelevant but I would beg to differ.

I use it as an example of how women’s rights have been sacrificed on the alter of political correctness here in the uk and Scotland in particular. The country that Rowling calls home.

Hopefully you will agree that laws reflect the will of the ruling class and as such this law says much. It was only the intervention of the English legal system that curbed the impact the Scottish decision. However, as someone who has spent five minutes doing a quick Google search on somewhere that’s not America, i am sure that you must feel more knowledgeable than the rest of us even those who live in the Uk and have been exposed to it every day.

My understanding of jk Rowling’s position is that basically she is pro personal choice while at the same time standing up for women’s rights. She does a lot for women’s rape crisis centres in Scotland which is something close to my own heart. I’m sorry if this offends you.

The fact is that male violence against women is real and however much you might try to trivialise it by saying that women are also violent to women doesn’t make it go away.

They say you should never wrestle with a pig because you both get dirty and only the pig enjoys it. So I’ll bow out at this stage and unwatch your thread leaving you free to respond how you want without contradiction

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Hopefully you will agree that laws reflect the will of the ruling class and as such this law says much. It was only the intervention of the English legal system that curbed the impact the Scottish decision. However, as someone who has spent five minutes doing a quick Google search on somewhere that’s not America, i am sure that you must feel more knowledgeable than the rest of us even those who live in the Uk and have been exposed to it every day.

For the record, Butters is from England originally.

 

[butters]

I would disagree that it is irrelevant to this thread. It just doesn’t support your argument. Thank you for adjudicating that my point is irrelevant but I would beg to differ.

I use it as an example of how women’s rights have been sacrificed on the alter of political correctness here in the uk and Scotland in particular. The country that Rowling calls home.

Hopefully you will agree that laws reflect the will of the ruling class and as such this law says much. It was only the intervention of the English legal system that curbed the impact the Scottish decision. However, as someone who has spent five minutes doing a quick Google search on somewhere that’s not America, i am sure that you must feel more knowledgeable than the rest of us even those who live in the Uk and have been exposed to it every day.

My understanding of jk Rowling’s position is that basically she is pro personal choice while at the same time standing up for women’s rights. She does a lot for women’s rape crisis centres in Scotland which is something close to my own heart. I’m sorry if this offends you.

The fact is that male violence against women is real and however much you might try to trivialise it by saying that women are also violent to women doesn’t make it go away.

They say you should never wrestle with a pig because you both get dirty and only the pig enjoys it. So I’ll bow out at this stage and unwatch your thread leaving you free to respond how you want without contradiction

i was born, bred & spent 58 years living in London, and i'm a very strong advocate of women's rights, being a woman.

rowling may stand up for women's rights, but her staunch, ignorant view of trans women in particular is offensive to not only myself but most thinking, caring people.

no one is trivialising male on female violence, let alone me, a survivor of living under the control of a psychopath for the best part of 18 years.

anything else you care to sound off on in your ignorance?

 

[Lazaran]

i was born, bred & spent 58 years living in London, and i'm a very strong advocate of women's rights, being a woman.

rowling may stand up for women's rights, but her staunch, ignorant view of trans women in particular is offensive to not only myself but most thinking, caring people.

no one is trivialising male on female violence, let alone me, a survivor of living under the control of a psychopath for the best part of 18 years.

anything else you care to sound off on in your ignorance?

JK Rowling reminds me a lot of "progressives" like Susan Sarandon, etc, who don’t see where they’re going wrong. - This is a “Yes, AND / BUT” situation:

Yes, protecting and expanding women’s rights is important, AND / BUT so is protecting and expanding trans individuals’ rights.



The male rapists claiming trans status only after committing their crime so they can go to a women’s prison example is a classic appeal to emotion based on an intentionally misleading narrative.



As you pointed out, it isn’t as simple as the gaslighters would make it seem. - Just like it isn’t as simple for undocumented individuals to come into the US and vote.as the gaslighters make it seem.

 

[ishtat]

JK Rowling reminds me a lot of "progressives" like Susan Sarandon, etc, who don’t see where they’re going wrong. - This is a “Yes, AND / BUT” situation:

Is being wrong sufficient cause to demonise a particular person? Being wrong, or taking a minority position seems to be a pretty basic right to my mind. Attacking their argument is reasonable, but attacking the individual personally for what may be some distinctly minority views can be a very slippery slope. Unfortunately, 'shoot the messenger' rather than the message is too common and too easy in politics right across the spectrum. Rowling has supported (financially) many of the principles the op espouses - but by no means all.

A complex person justifies a more nuanced assessment?

 

[jaF0]

My understanding of jk Rowling’s position is ...

... apparently incorrect.

 

[jaF0]

Is being wrong sufficient cause to demonise a particular person? Being wrong, or taking a minority position seems to be a pretty basic right to my mind. Attacking their argument is reasonable, but attacking the individual personally for what may be some distinctly minority views can be a very slippery slope.

People like us expressing ourselves on a forum like this is one thing. Someone who has a mass following or mostly children needs to be more closely scrutinized and flat out told when they're wrong.

The Dillhole comic fool got cut off from many lucrative contracts after spewing his filth. If this 'person' had worldwide syndicated comics, it would be more that appropriate to void those contracts also. As it is, her damage is mostly done. Whether or not she ever gets another book or movie deal in many countries remains to be seen. She might, but she has already damaged her own reputation to the point many companies won't even talk to her.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

PR for JK Rowling and Elon Musk.

 

[Rotadom]

PR for JK Rowling and Elon Musk.

By reinforcing the fact that they are irredeemable clowns?

You worship the worst people.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

By reinforcing the fact that they are irredeemable clowns?

You worship the worst people.

Her books, movies, and brand are extremely successful. Her postings on X, even those that might offend a few people, draw lots of eyeballs to the platform.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

They say you should never wrestle with a pig because you both get dirty and only the pig enjoys it. So I’ll bow out at this stage and unwatch your thread leaving you free to respond how you want without contradiction

Coward.

 

[Rotadom]

Her books, movies, and brand are extremely successful. Her postings on X, even those that might offend a few people, draw lots of eyeballs to the platform.

Stating obvious facts is a lame schtick.

Put some weight behind your words.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Her books, movies, and brand are extremely successful. Her postings on X, even those that might offend a few people, draw lots of eyeballs to the platform.

Are you aware that PR stands for Public Relations? You probably meant "publicity" which isn't the same but then you're on your 6th bottomless green mimosa so who knows what the fuck you meant.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The thread has sparked thousands of engagements in the town square known as X. Lots of facts surfacing that support her POV. Good for her, good for the platform.

 

[Rotadom]

The thread has sparked thousands of engagements in the town square known as X. Lots of facts surfacing that support her POV. Good for her, good for the platform.

Supporting anti-semites and racists isn't a good look. Not a surprising one though.

 

[HisArpy]

i was born, bred & spent 58 years living in London, and i'm a very strong advocate of women's rights, being a woman.

rowling may stand up for women's rights, but her staunch, ignorant view of trans women in particular is offensive to not only myself but most thinking, caring people.

no one is trivialising male on female violence, let alone me, a survivor of living under the control of a psychopath for the best part of 18 years.

anything else you care to sound off on in your ignorance?

If you TRULY stood up for women's rights you wouldn't buy into the trans narrative.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

If you TRULY stood up for women's rights you wouldn't buy into the trans narrative.

Never would have figured you for a TERF ally, but you do you.

 

[HisArpy]

Never would have figured you for a TERF ally, but you do you.

If TERF stands for truth then I'm there. If it's a slur against truth then you've proven once again what a fuckwit you are.

My money is on the latter rather than the former.

 

[Rotadom]

If TERF stands for truth then I'm there. If it's a slur against truth then you've proven once again what a fuckwit you are.

My money is on the latter rather than the former.

The truth is that you are trying to tell women how to feel. How has that worked out for you so far? Lol.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

If TERF stands for truth then I'm there. If it's a slur against truth then you've proven once again what a fuckwit you are.

My money is on the latter rather than the former.

TERF means "trans-exclusionary radical feminist". It started as a way to refer to women who were so wrapped up in their female identity that they were unable to extend any charity or consideration to trans women, but it has since become the general term for anybody who is opposed trans people.