Threads: The Island Sequel. Please help! :(

[lovecraft68]

I've never liked the ending to F Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle(excellent all the way through the books until the very last scene in Night world)

I think I am going to write a new ending to it. Not a big fan of King's Insomnia at all. Think I'll rewrite it.

Anne Rice, Taltos? Maddening. Going to do that one too.

Going to rewrite all these books and show the original authors what I did without their permission because I-not them-know when their stories should end and how they should end.

After all what do they know? They just wrote the original!

For all the people obsessed with rewriting other people's stories? Try not being such an uninspired hack and actually create your own material. Using something as an influence is something all writers have done for as long as writing has existed.

Taking over other people's hard work is cheap and requires nothing resembling creativity.

 

[MJC94]

I guess just the emotional attachment is a little too much for myself but at the same time it's justified when so many people have sought the next sequel. Such a shame it's ending here :/

 

[Clancy31015]

Sequel?

Frankly, someone should pick up the flag and charge into writing a sequel to the "Threads: The Island" Story just like the Star Trek series had unauthorized sequels written or maybe copy the whole thing and change the core character's names a little bit and add some details and then pick the story up from the end. Frankly, if JammyJimmy isn't going to continue the story, maybe someone else should, because it like a 1776 coin being found in the parking lot of Wal-Mart or like an abandoned piece of property that hasn't been tended to in years and someone moves in and takes ownership of that property, which in some states is legal. I consider "Threads: The Island" by JammyJimmy abandoned and if someone wants to pick it up, justifiably, they could pick up the torch. Someone Please consider it, I'm not an author because I lack the ability to sit still long enough to write it, nut I do have a massive imagination and if someone needs ideas, contact me through the contact tab on Literotica.com and I'll try to respond within 48 hours with ideas, but definitely within a week.

 

[Charmolypi]

I feel your pain. I'm also an erotic lit widow. The one who abandoned me? https://www.literotica.com/s/trophy-wife-ch-01-1

It was clear that the author wasn't coming back, so I did write my own chapters to it. Actually a prequel. i didn't ask the author first, but then I haven't published it either. Fear that it's crap writing and fear that I'll just never hear back are the factors at play there. Plus this way, I can imagine him still writing more adventures for a heroine in non-con that really resonates with me.

And I have to say, it was therapeutic to write it just for myself. I loved the process, the imagination, and even writing myself into the story. It has been a couple years since I wrote anything on it, but now in my mind, I'm not an erotic lit widow. I'm a participant in the fantasy and the chapters I've written are as real to me as the chapters written by the original author.

And if the soflabbwlvr should read this, I have some hilariously bad writing to show you. But I hope you'll take it as a great compliment.

 

[Jainzar]

3 years later

Well it's 3 years later and I can't tell you how many times both myself and my husband have read this story. It's a pity that a sequel has not been written and JJ has not been located since he mentioned that he did have more stories ready to go. If I could find the books online if gladly purchase them.

 

[SimonDoom]

I keep thinking I should read this story, but then I look at the 42-Literotica page count (157,500 words, or the equivalent of a 500+ page novel) and I just don't have the heart (or the time) to read it.

People need to let it go. If the author has not signaled an intention to continue it or to grant permission to another to continue it, then the author's rights should be respected.

A perfectly legitimate way to honor the author is to take the broad concept of the story and to start one's own story based on the concept, making sure to change names, characters, places, specific plot details, etc. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[lovecraft68]

This story is 9 years old. The only other story written by the author is also from 2011. he has not been seen or heard from since.

The last update on his blog is 2/18...he's lost interest and moved on(or maybe even passed on)

At what point will people let it go? There's wishing a story would continue and there's obsession.

 

[SimonDoom]

This story is 9 years old. The only other story written by the author is also from 2011. he has not been seen or heard from since.

The last update on his blog is 2/18...he's lost interest and moved on(or maybe even passed on)

At what point will people let it go? There's wishing a story would continue and there's obsession.

You have to admit -- I'm sure you've gotten this quite a lot, and I've gotten this a little -- it's flattering to get calls to continue one's story. It's a reminder of the power that stories can have over people, and it's a cool thing to know as an author.

 

[lovecraft68]

You have to admit -- I'm sure you've gotten this quite a lot, and I've gotten this a little -- it's flattering to get calls to continue one's story. It's a reminder of the power that stories can have over people, and it's a cool thing to know as an author.

Of course its flattering, and no matter how much you write, people will want more. My Siblings with benefits series was 900k....44 chapters and a 5 chapter spin off, in the end I wrapped up every story line and had a definitive ending....I still occasionally get someone saying "but what if you write a couple years down the line and..."

The difference is I am present. SWB ended in 2011 I've added a 100 stories since then. People see that and figure hey, maybe there's a chance, I'll e-mail them! And I always reply and thank them, but say their tale is told.

When you see someone has fallen off the face of the Earth and not been heard of in 8 years...that's the head scratcher for me.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

I’ve often wondered, if the original was so exceptionally outstanding, who thinks they’re good enough to do an sequel, continuation or end worthy of the original?

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In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.

Stuff ends too soon. Poop doth occur, etc, but the sun is still going to rise tomorrow.

 

[SimonDoom]

Stuff ends too soon. Poop doth occur, etc, but the sun is still going to rise tomorrow.

This is a reasonable summary of my life philosophy. Well said!

 

[yukonnights]

That's fair enough I'm just a reader who really wanted more. If he's gone on to do other things now then I can't stand in his way. I was just very eager to find him.

You may be looking for JJ under the wrong name. If in fact he has continued the story in the market for profit, there is a good chance he is using a different name to do so. You might try a search for the original title for sale online, or even a few of the first lines of text in the story.

Hope your search ends on a happy discovery — The story obviously touched you in a meaningful way. Good luck

 

[ElectricBlue]

I’ve often wondered, if the original was so exceptionally outstanding, who thinks they’re good enough to do an sequel, continuation or end worthy of the original?

In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.

Stuff ends too soon. Poop doth occur, etc, but the sun is still going to rise tomorrow.

EB looked at TP closely. "You've just read my production notes for the second part of my Fire and Ice story, lifted directly..."

The difference is, STC went somewhere south of China, I'm lifting the whole kabundle to Titan. With aliens. Old Samuel just had ice...





and opium .


Hey, I've got the chutzpah to redo the Arthurian myth, so taking on a dope fiend, ha!

 

[lovecraft68]

You may be looking for JJ under the wrong name. If in fact he has continued the story in the market for profit, there is a good chance he is using a different name to do so. You might try a search for the original title for sale online, or even a few of the first lines of text in the story.

Hope your search ends on a happy discovery — The story obviously touched you in a meaningful way. Good luck

I would think if that were the case he would have posted his new name and where to find him on his blog, and perhaps his home page here. Seems like the right thing to do if you wanted the people who followed you to read/buy your new material.

My take is like many writers he had one real story in him, did very well with it, and his claims of more were legit, but he found he couldn't write it, or maybe because of how well the first story did he felt pressured and didn't think the new one was as good and gave up.

One hit wonder.

We can add it to the endless possibilities(including unfortunately death) that no one will ever know.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I’ve often wondered, if the original was so exceptionally outstanding, who thinks they’re good enough to do an sequel, continuation or end worthy of the original?

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In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.

Stuff ends too soon. Poop doth occur, etc, but the sun is still going to rise tomorrow.

Lol. You gotta try. You reminded me with that Xanadu quote. I’ve been asked a few times to do a sequel for that one. I shall rise to the occasion. Eventually.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Hey, I've got the chutzpah to redo the Arthurian myth, so taking on a dope fiend, ha!

You are aware, I hope, of the legend that nobody has ever lived to finish the Arthurian epic?

 

[lovecraft68]

You are aware, I hope, of the legend that nobody has ever lived to finish the Arthurian epic?

My only brush with anything Arthurian was when referring to Morgana Le Fay as a distant relation to my MC the line "That over rated chemist and the metal clad morons that followed him."

My MC has contempt for a lot of things. I don't know where she gets it.

 

[jsmiam]

Is the "I'm your biggest fan" OP having a preference, a fetish, or an obsession? (I know, I know, it's clearly an obsession, but it sounded funny.) http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1522847

 

[Damoiselle]

I'm rather passionately an advocate for fanfic. Very few stories are truly original, and I personally think there's only virtue to be found in writing your take on a concept that inspires you--It's funny, because I've known other Neil Gaiman fans who don't realize that he writes fanfics and don't believe it when they're told, so virulent is the stigma against it. Fortunately, many of my favorite authors are open to it or have essentially done it themselves, like Stephen King with his awesome Sherlock Holmes fic or Jacqueline Carey with her two books that were heavily inspired by LOTR.

That said, I do think that if I were a passionate fan of stories by authors who condemn the practice, like Anne Rice or George R. R. Martin, it would sap the fun of the exercise. The thing is, the power dynamic on a site like this generally means that most writers would be uncomfortable actually seeing the fanfics people write. I know seeing the stories and characters I write here retold different would feel weird, while alternatively getting a novel published professionally and then seeing fanfic for it on AO3 would be thrilling. I completely get why the site moderators would police it.

It's an odd, nebulous line to explore, and has a lot to do with status.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm rather passionately an advocate for fanfic. Very few stories are truly original, and I personally think there's only virtue to be found in writing your take on a concept that inspires you--It's funny, because I've known other Neil Gaiman fans who don't realize that he writes fanfics and don't believe it when they're told, so virulent is the stigma against it. Fortunately, many of my favorite authors are open to it or have essentially done it themselves, like Stephen King with his awesome Sherlock Holmes fic or Jacqueline Carey with her two books that were heavily inspired by LOTR.

That said, I do think that if I were a passionate fan of stories by authors who condemn the practice, like Anne Rice or George R. R. Martin, it would sap the fun of the exercise. The thing is, the power dynamic on a site like this generally means that most writers would be uncomfortable actually seeing the fanfics people write. I know seeing the stories and characters I write here retold different would feel weird, while alternatively getting a novel published professionally and then seeing fanfic for it on AO3 would be thrilling. I completely get why the site moderators would police it.

It's an odd, nebulous line to explore, and has a lot to do with status.

Getting to know a bit about Rice and Martin guaranteed me never supporting their work be it books or movie/TV. Two truly despicable and arrogant pieces of work.

 

[SimonDoom]

It's an odd, nebulous line to explore, and has a lot to do with status.

I believe the rules for fanfiction based upon famous, published authors and Literotica authors should be different.

Fanfiction for famous authors like Stephen King and JK Rowling is tolerated because the economic reality is that it does not hurt them in any way. For the most part, nobody is profiting off of it. While it would, on its face, appear to be copyright infringement, it probably boosts the profile and popularity of the authors and may help their sales. Fanfiction exists in a kind of uneasy and uncertain legal and ethical limbo where it's tolerated, most of the time.

But this uncertainty does not apply to Literotica authors. Literotica authors do not post stories with an expectation of profit. They do so for other goals, and when you take from their stories to write your own stories, without their permission, there is a high risk that you are compromising their goals and purposes. I think it is fair to read into joining this site a mutual "agreement not to infringe one another's works." I believe authors here should take scrupulous care NOT to infringe the works of fellow authors, even to write what they regard as "fanfic." Do it only if you get express permission.

 

[Damoiselle]

I believe the rules for fanfiction based upon famous, published authors and Literotica authors should be different.

Fanfiction for famous authors like Stephen King and JK Rowling is tolerated because the economic reality is that it does not hurt them in any way. For the most part, nobody is profiting off of it. While it would, on its face, appear to be copyright infringement, it probably boosts the profile and popularity of the authors and may help their sales. Fanfiction exists in a kind of uneasy and uncertain legal and ethical limbo where it's tolerated, most of the time.

But this uncertainty does not apply to Literotica authors. Literotica authors do not post stories with an expectation of profit. They do so for other goals, and when you take from their stories to write your own stories, without their permission, there is a high risk that you are compromising their goals and purposes. I think it is fair to read into joining this site a mutual "agreement not to infringe one another's works." I believe authors here should take scrupulous care NOT to infringe the works of fellow authors, even to write what they regard as "fanfic." Do it only if you get express permission.

I think that's a fair line to draw, so long as one is not shaming others for the inclination to write fanfic more generally.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

I believe the rules for fanfiction based upon famous, published authors and Literotica authors should be different.

Fanfiction for famous authors like Stephen King and JK Rowling is tolerated because the economic reality is that it does not hurt them in any way. For the most part, nobody is profiting off of it. While it would, on its face, appear to be copyright infringement, it probably boosts the profile and popularity of the authors and may help their sales. Fanfiction exists in a kind of uneasy and uncertain legal and ethical limbo where it's tolerated, most of the time.

But this uncertainty does not apply to Literotica authors. Literotica authors do not post stories with an expectation of profit. They do so for other goals, and when you take from their stories to write your own stories, without their permission, there is a high risk that you are compromising their goals and purposes. I think it is fair to read into joining this site a mutual "agreement not to infringe one another's works." I believe authors here should take scrupulous care NOT to infringe the works of fellow authors, even to write what they regard as "fanfic." Do it only if you get express permission.

This is the most reasonable, measured, considered and accurate comment I’ve read to date on this topic, and I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think that's a fair line to draw, so long as one is not shaming others for the inclination to write fanfic more generally.

I agree, and I don't shame anybody for that.

For the last year I've been working on a goofy erotic story that takes place in the Lord of the Rings universe, involving Frodo and Sam and a horny female elf warrior. I've wrestled with the ethics of it, but I'll probably go ahead and finish it and publish it eventually because I think it's sufficiently ridiculous that it falls within the category of "parody" fanfiction.

For most fanfiction involving famous works, I think the principle at work is "no harm no foul."

 

[Damoiselle]

I agree, and I don't shame anybody for that.

For the last year I've been working on a goofy erotic story that takes place in the Lord of the Rings universe, involving Frodo and Sam and a horny female elf warrior. I've wrestled with the ethics of it, but I'll probably go ahead and finish it and publish it eventually because I think it's sufficiently ridiculous that it falls within the category of "parody" fanfiction.

For most fanfiction involving famous works, I think the principle at work is "no harm no foul."

It does seem interesting how much it can vary, where the line falls for different people. Empathy is clearly a big factor. Tolkien can't care anymore, and his family is presumably unlikely to be confronted with an erotic parody on a porn site, so it's not insensitive to them. Distance, both in terms of fame status and age, shifts the ethical perceptions so much.

What fascinates me the most is how frequently we collectively fictionalize actual people in stories, as long as they're from a time far removed from ours. People have made Leonardo Da Vinci and Nostradamus minor characters in historical fiction, appropriating a person's actual identity for their storytelling purposes, and it's fairly normalized.

It's probably a good thing to promote more care in respecting the intellectual property and identity of living people, but it does make me ponder how the people we shamelessly fictionalize would feel about it, if they did see it.