Those IMPLAUSIBLE & IMPOSSIBLE cellphone calls

[Lovelynice]

For those that really want to see what the "Truth Movement" ....

Blah, blah, blah, blah....

You must either deal with the problems in your bullshit excuses or look like a fool, and increasingly you are looking like an idiot too. I worry, dear, that your alleged intelligence is a myth. I'm beginning to think that you are a moron as dumb as your "Dear Leader", the moron president, since you can't deal with the many problems in your defense of the USA government's lies about 9/11.

 

[Lovelynice]

As I said before, there no firefighters in WTC 7 at the time that Silverstein had claimed he said "Pull it"

Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST), which investigated the collapse of WTC 7, is quoted in Popular Mechanics (9/11: Debunking the Myths, March, 2005) as saying: "There was no firefighting in WTC 7."

The FEMA report on the collapses, from May, 2002, also says about the WTC 7 collapse: "no manual firefighting operations were taken by FDNY."

And an article by James Glanz in the New York Times on November 29, 2001 says about WTC 7: "By 11:30 a.m., the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from it for safety reasons."

 

[Lovelynice]

4. Saying, “No airplane hit it” implies the structure suffered minimal effects from the planes crashing into the adjacent towers. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth....

Really, then show me pictures of the actual damage and those great infernos. I askled for this before, but all you've done is make up stories and excuses.

http://xs206.xs.to/xs206/06375/wtc7_northface.jpg

You need to post photos or links to video of VISIBLE FIRES

There was no - repeat NO twenty story HOLE in WTC 7, why lie?, just don't bother posting lies and wasting every one's time with nonsense like that will you for a change?

I want you to post an attached photo of this twenty storey hole in WTC 7, and I want you to describe in detail exactly where this hole is.

While you are at it I want you to explain why WTC 7's 14th and 15th floors were in the months and weeks leading up to 9/11 heavily fortified with bomb proof glass facing the twin towers.

They have since claimed it was a bunker for Mayor Giuliani in case of terrorist attacks would you believe, which he took the opportunity not to use on the day of the attacks!

I want you to explain why these two mysterious fires started given that no windows had been smashed on the corresponding floors, or any where on the entire facade of the building facing the twin towers, never mind and twenty story hole! - Even if they had been that is not necessarily reason for a fire to start.

Why did the automatic sprinkler system conveniently fail to activate and extinguish these fires?

Why did the then new WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein clearly state in a TV interview a year after the attacks that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack? The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.

Photos taken shortly before before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.

Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!

Explain to everyone why buildings that didn't belong or weren't insured by Silverstein holdings and that were right beside the twin towers and sustained massive damage - far more damage than WTC 7 - didn't collapse into their own footprints at near free fall speed!

Yet this WTC 7 building - which was by the way the strongest building on the WTC site being fortified with solid cross section girders rather than the 'H' type because it straddled the a major electrical substation - was conveniently demolished, tell tale streamers and charges can be seen all over the front of the building and explosive charges running up the side in a straight perpendicular line running up the sides.

The penthouse can clearly be seen falling in through the roof first as the building was violently eviscerated from the inside.

Why was the steel from this controlled demolition immediately and illegally shipped off before almost any major examination had been done to check for the possibility of explosives, and to try and determine the cause of it’s collapse so as to prevent it happening in future?

I've already shown that the building owner Larry Silverstein admits that explosives were used to demolish at least one of the three WTC buildings! Despite his later squirming retraction and lies about firefighter teams being there, when in fact they weren't. He couldn't keep his story straight. I have already shown that "Pull it" is the common term for controlled demolitions, despite your lying to the contrary.


Your claim that "Pull it" had nothing to do with controlled demolition in the case of WTC 7 has been shown as another puile of crap excuses on your part because of Indira Singh did state: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

Now that's very clear. Also clear is that Silverstein admitted that he ordered WTC demolished, he said "pull it", which most definitely is a term for controlled demolition as even this shows in the case of a cleanup worker mentioning the same term for the controlled demolition of WTC 6 when he says, "...we're getting ready to pull the building six." The term is industry jargon for planned demolition. Anyone can listen to that here -
http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

Which fits with the dictionary meaning;
It's already very clear from the context and how Silverstein said it, that "Pull it" was the order to demolish the building.

Demolish: (?), v. t. To throw or PULL DOWN; to raze; to destroy the fabric of; to pull to pieces; to ruin; as, to demolish an edifice, or a wall.

dictionary . laborlawtalk . com / demolish

Destroy; do away with, make away with; nullify; annual; sacrifice, demolish; tear up; overturn, overthrow, overwhelm; upset, subvert, put an end to; seal the doom of, do in, do for, dish, undo; break up, cut up; break down, cut down, PULL DOWN

websters - online - dictionary . org / definition / destroy

To "pull" something as in "pull it", "pull it down", "pull down", or just "pull" is also common in many military organisations as a term for controlled demolition of objects, buildings, and obstacles.

And I've shown that your claim that "Pull it" had nothing to do with controlled demolition in the case of WTC 7 was more lying excuses on your part because of what Indira Singh stated: "The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."




And if planning to demolish WTC 7 had been carefully prepared for weeks, why not the other two?

and the damage that was done was MINOR in comparison to the building. Particularly when other buildings in the WTC complex had REAL INFERNOS and FAR MORE DAMAGE and STILL DIDN'T COLLAPSE.

Besides, it was "pulled" just as old Larry Silverstein said.

CBS News’ Dan Rather
also commented that the collapse of building 7, which
wasn’t hit by a plane, resembled a deliberate attempt
to demolish the structure using incendiary devices.
"For the third time
today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen
too much on television before when a building was deliberately
destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down."

NBC’s Pat Dawson reported
the working hypothesis of the FDNY in the immediate aftermath
of the towers’ collapse.
"The chief of safety
of the Fire Department of New York City told me he received
word of a possibility of a secondary device — that is
another bomb going off. He tries to get his men out as
quickly as he could, but he said that there was another
explosion which took place and according to his theory,
he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted
in the building."

MSNBC news anchor Rick
Sanchez reported that police had found suspicious devices
in and around the WTC area and that the secondary explosions,
which were reported by numerous survivors, were thought
by police to be bombs.
"Police have found
what they believe to be a suspicious device and they fear
that it may lead to another explosion."
"I spoke with some
police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me
they have reason to believe that one of the explosions
at the World Trade Center aside the ones caused by the
planes, may have been caused by a van that was parked
on the building that may have had an explosive device
in it."

During an exchange between
ABC’s Peter Jennings and reporter Don Dahler following
the collapse of the north tower, the first assumption
is again that controlled demolition must have been used
to take down the building.
"Yes Peter its Don Dahler down here. I’m four blocks
north of the World Trade Center. The second building that
was hit by the plane has just completely collapsed."
"The entire building
has just collapsed as if a demolition team set off….when
you see the old demolition of these old buildings. It
just folded in on itself and it is not there anymore."

Peter Jennings: "If
you wish to bring, if anyone has ever watched a building
being demolished on purpose knows, that you’re going to
do this you have to get at the, at the under infrastructure
of a building and bring it down."

Police chiefs, fire department
heads, veteran news anchors, eyewitnesses on the ground
- everyone’s first reaction was "controlled demolition"
because the events suggested nothing else.

 

[phrodeau]

There are many reports and witnesses who say that the south face of WTC7 was severely demolished. I think it would be up to you to prove otherwise.

How many eyewitness accounts described the extent of damage to the south face?

 

[Lovelynice]

There are many reports and witnesses who say that the south face of WTC7 was severely demolished. ..

That's nice.

Sooooo...... WHERE'S THE PICTURES PROVING THIS, THEN?

I've only asked for such pictures again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again,


and you've never shown any.

Bit like that INVISIBLE PLANE at the Pentagon, right? You know, the one that despite all those CCTV cameras everywhere at the Pentagon and the buiildings nearby, and at the hotels and gas station, it seems impossible for you to show on video.

Do try to back your bullshit properly, phrodeau

 

[Lovelynice]

What I posted;

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/Gregory Zeigler3 258 JPG60.jpg
Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

Statement 9/19/06: "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and WTC 7 [570 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane], the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon ...
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Zeigler Statement.html

Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."

Cap’n AMatrixca's reply;

Because he names of a list of already debunked theories, most of which came up months after as the conspiracy grew. ...

Yeah, right. Sounds like you're just full of sour grapes to me. Bad luck. He's got way more respectability and knowledge of intelligence operations than some anonymous troll on a porn-site called "Cap’n AMatrixca", afterall Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer is far more qualified than you are. Deal with it.

 

[phrodeau]

That's nice.

Sooooo...... WHERE'S THE PICTURES PROVING THIS, THEN?

I've only asked for such pictures again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again,


and you've never shown any.

Bit like that INVISIBLE PLANE at the Pentagon, right? You know, the one that despite all those CCTV cameras everywhere at the Pentagon and the buiildings nearby, and at the hotels and gas station, it seems impossible for you to show on video.

Do try to back your bullshit properly, phrodeau

There are several pictures and videos of the WTC7 south face, all obscured by heavy smoke, caused by the raging fires within.

Obvious cause and effect. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[Lovelynice]

What I posted;

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Photos/Douglas Rokke JPG80.jpg
Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." http://www.rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

and here's catfish's reply;

And what special skills does Major Rokke have? .

Hmmm....I'd trust his opinion more than yours. He has a 30-year Army career. He worked as a Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. I don't think it should need spelling out that with decades of experience, the man probably knows a lot more and has a lot more credibility than Mr Catfish the anonymous troll.

catfish also tried another of his lies here;

If you look at the academic credentials of the "experts" trotted out....

We will notice that they are far more impressive than yours, and way more impressive than you care to admit. That's why you deliberately tried to mislead, citing his Phd in Philosophy, but I noticed that you avoided mentioning his other qualifications;
Bachelor of Science; Western Illinois University; 1975
Master of Science; University of Illinois; 1986.

Director, Edwin R. Bradley Radiological Laboratories, Fort McClellan, Alabama; 1996-1997 Directed the development, instruction, and assessment of radiation safety education and field procedures for the U.S. Army.

Staff Physicist; University of Illinois: Department of Chemistry, Department of Physics, Department of Food Science, Department of Electrical Engineering, and Department of Agricultural Engineering; 1977 - 1996.

The guy seems to know a lot of Physics, about radiation, medicine, chemistry, and even worked as some kind of investigator. He was good enough to teach the subjects too.

and by the way, the link you gave wasn't his full resume. It was only a short summary version...so you missed a lot didn't you?

So, catfish is a little weasel too.

 

[phrodeau]

While you are at it I want you to explain why WTC 7's 14th and 15th floors were in the months and weeks leading up to 9/11 heavily fortified with bomb proof glass facing the twin towers.

They have since claimed it was a bunker for Mayor Giuliani in case of terrorist attacks would you believe, which he took the opportunity not to use on the day of the attacks!

Giuliani's bunker was on the 23rd floor.

Please fact-check more carefully.

 

[Lovelynice]

There are several pictures and videos of the WTC7 south face, all obscured by heavy smoke,....

That's nice, but NONE show any actual infernos, and NONE show any substantial damage - whjich is what I asked you to show.

As to whether that's "smoke" or "dust", well it looks a lot more like DUST to me, not smoke.

Besides, the amount of "smoke" (if it is smoke), does not directly correlate to the size of the fire. As anyone who's ever had a BBQ or a campfire knows

The only photo of visible flames in WTC 7, doesn't show any inferno, it shows only 2-3 floors with SOME flames visible...and that's all.

Do try harder, phrodeau.

 

[Lovelynice]

Giuliani's bunker was on the 23rd floor.....

BIG DEAL!

I didn't say anything about "Giuliani's bunker" did I. I mentioned the other fortified and reinforced floors. The 14th and 15th.

 

[phrodeau]

That's nice, but NONE show any actual infernos, and NONE show any substantial damage - whjich is what I asked you to show.

As to whether that's "smoke" or "dust", well it looks a lot more like DUST to me, not smoke.

Besides, the amount of "smoke" (if it is smoke), does not directly correlate to the size of the fire. As anyone who's ever had a BBQ or a campfire knows

The only photo of visible flames in WTC 7, doesn't show any inferno, it shows only 2-3 floors with SOME flames visible...and that's all.

Do try harder, phrodeau.

Please attach a photo of your brain. I'm not convinced that you have one.

 

[Lovelynice]

What I posted;

That's nice, but NONE show any actual infernos, and NONE show any substantial damage - whjich is what I asked you to show.

As to whether that's "smoke" or "dust", well it looks a lot more like DUST to me, not smoke.

Besides, the amount of "smoke" (if it is smoke), does not directly correlate to the size of the fire. As anyone who's ever had a BBQ or a campfire knows

The only photo of visible flames in WTC 7, doesn't show any inferno, it shows only 2-3 floors with SOME flames visible...and that's all.

Do try harder, phrodeau.

phrodeau's pathetic little whinge;

Please attach a photo ....

Oh poor dorkface,
You can't deal with your own lack anything to back your bullshit. Bad luck, grow up and learn to deal with it.

So, do you have a picture of these INVISIBLE (and non-existent) infernos at WTC 7 and alleged massive damage, or are you just spouting off bullcrap again? I think you're just full of BS, and that's all you have. Surely somebody would have a photo to prove this claim of yours.

 

[Lovelynice]

When are you shills and idiots who try so hard to defend the lies of the Bush Administration going to provide a mathematical simulation from somebody, anybody, that actually shows that there was enough energy for a gravity-driven collapse? None of you have ever done so. Neither has anyone ever succeeded in such a thing, and it is VITAL that they do, because you fools are trying to push bullshit excuses about three buildings doing on one day what no other steel-framed hi-rise buildings have EVER DONE in the entire history of steel-framed hi-rise buildings.

 

[Pookie]

5) So all of this fits extremely well with what the New York firemen said;

Video of firemen reporting bombs in WTC 7
"Bomb in the building. Start clearing out"
"What did you say? Secondary device?"
"Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53wdu8IGlE&NR

(the clip, by the way, Pookie, is taken from an Australian documentary shown on Aussie TV - and they stated it was from WTC 7. I haven't seen anything from you to show them wrong. Maybe you should post frames for comparison).

LOL

You so cute. How about a source and link for that.

But in the meantime ...

Check out the video closely .... and compare it to Stuyvesant High School. You can do that simple task, can't you? The pedestrian bridge is maybe the biggest giveaway. The one for WTC 7 is on the south side ... you know ... the south side where WTC 1 just fell into. As the video pans to the left and right, look at the surroundings. Look at the vehicles ... and stuff.

LOL


"This is a view of the Stuyvesant building from the corner of West and Chambers Streets. The area is usually much busier than this, but I took the picture during the summer (of 2004) when school is off session. The Tribeca Bridge, which is used to enter and exit the building, is in the foreground. Note that the tall tower in the background is not part of the Stuyvesant building; this is a recently completed construction project."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Stuy_building.jpg




LOL

 

[Pookie]

As I said before, there no firefighters in WTC 7 at the time that Silverstein had claimed he said "Pull it"

Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST), which investigated the collapse of WTC 7, is quoted in Popular Mechanics (9/11: Debunking the Myths, March, 2005) as saying: "There was no firefighting in WTC 7."

The FEMA report on the collapses, from May, 2002, also says about the WTC 7 collapse: "no manual firefighting operations were taken by FDNY."

And an article by James Glanz in the New York Times on November 29, 2001 says about WTC 7: "By 11:30 a.m., the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from it for safety reasons."

But there were rescue efforts. I mean, the firemen said so. Are you calling them a liar?

LOL

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Just some perspective...

Fucking shill

Mohammed, in a long statement in broken English, appeared to express some regret at the deaths caused by the September 11 attacks but suggested they were justified as part of a war against the United States.

"I'm not happy that three thousand been killed in America. I feel sorry even," he said.

"The language of any war in the world is killing. I mean the language of the war is victims."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070315/ts_nm/guantanamo_mohammed_dc_7



Does he not look like Ron Jeremy?

 

[Lovelynice]

But in the meantime ...

Check out the video closely .

I have already - didn't see any resemblance at all. So, here's what you should do, which is exactly what I asked for, show me the frame which matches
Surely you can do that, or are you so incompetent that you have to rely on other people to do such simple things with your PC?

 

[Lovelynice]

Mohammed, in a long statement in broken English,...

Yes, he was TORTURED FOR FIVE FUCKING YEARS

I believe he also confessed to shooting Abraham Lincoln, blowing up the Hindenburg, masterminding the Lindbergh baby kidnapping and being Lee Harvey Oswald’s handler in the JFK assassination. He has also marked down the precise locations of the reptilian alien bases on the dark side of the moon.

Try again, dear. Statements gained after torture mean FUCK ALL.

 

[Lovelynice]

But there were rescue efforts.

Oh dear, poor Pookie, are you calling Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST) a liar???

Dr. Shyam Sunder, of the National Institutes of Standards and Technology (NIST), which investigated the collapse of WTC 7, is quoted in Popular Mechanics (9/11: Debunking the Myths, March, 2005) as saying: "There was no firefighting in WTC 7."

The FEMA report on the collapses, from May, 2002, also says about the WTC 7 collapse: "no manual firefighting operations were taken by FDNY."

And an article by James Glanz in the New York Times on November 29, 2001 says about WTC 7: "By 11:30 a.m., the fire commander in charge of that area, Assistant Chief Frank Fellini, ordered firefighters away from it for safety reasons.

Do make up your mind, and BY THE WAY, where are those pictures supposedly showing the huge infernos and alleged massive damage of WTC 7? You do have them don't you? Or perhaps your problem is that the "inferno" has been wildly exaggerated, since all we can see is some small parts of two or three floors have some fires. No infernos, no massive damage.
http://xs206.xs.to/xs206/06375/wtc7_northface.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

What I posted;


phrodeau's pathetic little whinge;



Oh poor dorkface,
You can't deal with your own lack anything to back your bullshit. Bad luck, grow up and learn to deal with it.

So, do you have a picture of these INVISIBLE (and non-existent) infernos at WTC 7 and alleged massive damage, or are you just spouting off bullcrap again? I think you're just full of BS, and that's all you have. Surely somebody would have a photo to prove this claim of yours.

I'll make the pertinent part big so you can understand it.

SINGH: "The fire department. And they did use the words 'we're gonna have to bring it down' and for us there observing the nature of the devastation it made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility, given the subsequent controversy over it I don't know."

Your witness.

 

[Trace_Element]

apocalypse be comin, lofelynice
wtc bombin was real but day was nukins in them plains. why so many dat dint dye are be glowin in dey dahk.
ef yo son't know, apocalysp be comin
gon get you fuggin lyers

 

[catfish]

What I posted;


and here's catfish's reply;


Hmmm....I'd trust his opinion more than yours. He has a 30-year Army career. He worked as a Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. I don't think it should need spelling out that with decades of experience, the man probably knows a lot more and has a lot more credibility than Mr Catfish the anonymous troll.

And his knowledge of depleted uranium makes him a high rise building engineer how? His army service, while laudable, does not make him an expert in the field of physics, engineering or any other field.

catfish also tried another of his lies here;


We will notice that they are far more impressive than yours, and way more impressive than you care to admit. That's why you deliberately tried to mislead, citing his Phd in Philosophy, but I noticed that you avoided mentioning his other qualifications;
Bachelor of Science; Western Illinois University; 1975
Master of Science; University of Illinois; 1986.

Director, Edwin R. Bradley Radiological Laboratories, Fort McClellan, Alabama; 1996-1997 Directed the development, instruction, and assessment of radiation safety education and field procedures for the U.S. Army.

Staff Physicist; University of Illinois: Department of Chemistry, Department of Physics, Department of Food Science, Department of Electrical Engineering, and Department of Agricultural Engineering; 1977 - 1996.

The guy seems to know a lot of Physics, about radiation, medicine, chemistry, and even worked as some kind of investigator. He was good enough to teach the subjects too.

He has a BS and MS in Science, wow, I know dozens of high school science teachers who have that, so does that some how make them experts in the field of engineering and building science? Should the 911 commission have interviewed them and asked them their views? I mean, they are as academically qualified as your "expert"? I am sure that they have a knowledge of physics too, but that doesn't make them another Einstein. Face it LN, your panel of so called experts are not phd's in engineering, or physics, or any other relevant field. Philosophy, while an interesting subject, doesn't have much relevance to the actual cause of the collapse of the WTC. You know it, but don't have the intellectual honesty to admit it. You are a fool, a dangerous fool, but a fool none the less.

and by the way, the link you gave wasn't his full resume. It was only a short summary version...so you missed a lot didn't you?

So does his "full" resume disclose his secret Phd? Please link me that one

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I am finding it hard to believe that you are still going with this pack of lies. You are cutting and posting so much information/dis-information it is hard to reply to specifics.

But, I have something to ask you, please would you stop cutting and pasting for a while and consider what you are believing and wish the rest of us to believe and answer the question; how many people you believe were involved in this conspiracy you so want to believe in?

Surely you don't believe that it was just J-dub, Cheney and Rummy who put on black trousers, jumper and balaclava and went out into the night on 10 Sept; planted some bombs in WTC1, 2 and 7. Then off to verious airfields to install remote controls in commercial jets etc, etc.

From your claims and from the claims of some of the links (or links of links) you have posted I have noted it would be quite a few:

* CIA agent Larry Mitchell for meeting with bin Laden in the months before 9/11, and everyone else in the CIA who knows they're not actually trying to capture him after all
* GW Bush and various family members (if you're to believe the relevance of Bush family members being involved with the WTC security company Stratesec)
* Condoleezza Rice (if you believe she had enough knowledge to warn Willie Brown that he might be in danger)
* John Ashcroft (if you believe he had enough knowledge to decide not to fly commercial flights)
* Larry Silverstein (if you believe he knew 9/11 was coming and that there were explosives in WTC7)
* The 19 people who played the part of the hijackers, if you believe they were just their to play a role and were never on the planes
* Enough senior people at the FBI to block progress in the Moussaoui case, ensure the Phoenix memo was ignored, and more
* Ahmad Umar Sheikh for funding the hijackers, General Mahmoud Ahmad for ordering him to do so, and enough of the ISI to get the money and cover up that they were doing this for the US
* Everyone who found out about the attacks in advance, and chose not to go into work rather than warn anyone else, and didn't mention this after the fact (thousands of Israelis in the towers, and so on), and everyone who warned them
* Everyone responsible for the insider trading before the attacks, the CIA for supposedly monitoring these transactions but doing nothing about them, and enough of the SEC and FBI to ensure that the report was a whitewash
* The members of Bush’s secret service team on 9/11 (who presumably either knew in advance that he was safe, or haven’t spoken out about their surprise about what happened subsequently)
* The five "dancing Israelis" who filmed the attack "as it happened", and presumably many others in Israeli Intelligence, and enough people in the police or FBI to cover up the details of the case and get them shipped out
* Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the hijackers cars, bags and so on
* Everyone responsible for planting evidence in the WTC wreckage (passports etc), or removing it (WTC black boxes)
* Air Traffic Control and flight schedulers at the takeoff airports (to cope with the double flights), and to make sure they didn't follow procedure in reporting the hijackings promptly
* Whoever prepared the "special" planes swapped for the real flights, complete with "missile pod" for firing into the towers just before impact, and the ATC and Norad staff who didn't mention the swap
* NORAD and senior officers working at the day (so they could lie about the war games and their lack of response)
* Fighter pilots who deliberately flew too slowly so they wouldn't reach the aircraft in time
* Whoever shot down Flight 93, and the senior officers who helped cover it up
* Everyone who researched the passengers, then all the actors who used that research to make fake mobile calls to their relatives, and either the phone company or the FBI for covering up the phone records
* All the actors who played/play the relatives and made claims of recieving phone calls from loved ones on the planes. That according to you are impossible anyway.
* Everyone involved in killing hundreds of passengers, assuming they didn't die in the crashes and were killed later
* Everyone involved in transporting their bodies to the various scenes if they did, or faking the DNA evidence if they didn't
* The engineers who researched the WTC to find out the best place to place explosives
* The people who planted the explosives through the WTC towers and WTC7
* Whoever detonated the WTC explosives at various different times of the day
* Enough of the New York Fire and Police Departments to shut up everyone else and make sure they didn't try to investigate why all their friends and colleagues died
* Everyone who prepared the remote control plane that really flew into the Pentagon, and whoever remote-controlled it, and the Washington Air Traffic Controllers who aren't allowed to talk about the extra radar blip they saw over the Pentagon (if Flight 77 really flew over it)
* The Sheraton hotel staff who reportedly saw the video of the plane as it flew past to the Pentagon, but have never said that it wasn't the "official" flight
* The people who ensured the Pentagon missile defence systems were disabled so the plane could hit
* The people who planted the fake Pentagon evidence, from body parts to black boxes, and those who prepared it
* The people who faked additional evidence around the Pentagon, bringing down lampposts etc in an effort to make it look like a large winged plane carried out the attack
* Rudolph Giuliani for having advance knowledge that the WTC was going to collapse, and for helping to ensure that the steel was disposed of quickly
* Enough people at American and United Airlines to keep quiet about the absence of the hijackers names from the passenger manifests
* Enough people at CNN not to question the absence of the hijackers names from the flight manifests, if you believe that's what their victims lists really are
* Enough people at FEMA and NIST to ensure any reports and analyses produced were whitewashes
* Enough senior officials at the many WTC insurance companies to ensure the doubts were ignored and claims were paid
* Everyone involved in producing the /fake bin Laden "confession" video(s)
* Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Bin Al-Sheeba for discussing how they planned 9/11 on audio tape even though this didn’t happen, and perhaps al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda for getting the interview (if we assume he knows it isn't true)
* All the other Al Qaeda members who've either implicitly or explicitly accepted responsibility for 9/11, even when they know it was carried out by someone else
* The staff of the 9/11 Commission for deliberately obscuring the truth
* The BBC for having proir knowledge and reporting of the the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened.


** You can choose whether to inclued your internet devils or not. I am not sure if you are including them in your 9/11 conspiracy theory or just some other general conspiracy theory.

So in your senario......how many people were/are involved? Consider your answer and whether it makes any logical sense or has any feasible chance of ever being able to work in the real world.

I am actually interested to know....how many?

Woof!

I re-posted my above post as you seem to have missed it, or couldn't find anything to cut and paste to answer it.

So how many people to you think? Does it make logical sense or has any feasible chance of ever being able to work in the real world?

Please answer.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Here's a balanced video to watch.Conspiracy Files But, you wont will you?

I particularly like the interview with the nutcase behind Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Here's what he had to say about the Pentagon hit:

No Boeing 757 hit the building, therefore whatever hit the building was not a 757.

Genius!! With logic like that, no wonder he's convinced.

Are people in this docu; engineers, scientists, coroner, people living in Shanksville, the people on the mistaken Delta fight all in on this conspiracy as well. My the numbers are adding up.

How many people are in on this conspiracy? How many?