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I remember the time Imus just ripped Clinton up one side and down the other, and it was at a dinner the Clinton's were attending.
This just in from John Kerry:
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I remember the time Imus just ripped Clinton up one side and down the other, and it was at a dinner the Clinton's were attending.
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It's Personal
On Tuesday we noted that Uwe Reinhardt, a professor of political economy at Princeton, had issued, in a Washington Post op-ed, a partial defense of John Kerry's most recent calumny against American servicemen. Although acknowledging that Kerry's remark was "uncouth," Reinhardt argued that the all-volunteer military is invidious because those with greater education and opportunities have less incentive to join up.
What we didn't realize, because Reinhardt didn't mention it in this piece (though he has elsewhere), is that this matter is personal to Reinhardt. As Town Topics, a weekly Princeton newspaper, reported in August 2005, Prof. Reinhardt's son, Mark, joined the Marines after his graduation from Princeton in 2001. Mark Reinhardt had three combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the Paktika province of Afghanistan, he was seriously wounded--seven broken ribs and a punctured lung--when his Humvee hit a Taliban mine. The younger Reinhardt recovered fully.
In a Washington Post op-ed published in early August 2005--shortly before Mark Reinhardt was wounded--Uwe Reinhardt confessed that he did not approve of his son's decision to join the military:
When our son, then a recent Princeton graduate, decided to join the Marine Corps in 2001, I advised him thus: "Do what you must, but be advised that, flourishing rhetoric notwithstanding, this nation will never truly honor your service, and it will condemn you to the bottom of the economic scrap heap should you ever get seriously wounded." The intervening years have not changed my views; they have reaffirmed them.
Unlike the editors of the nation's newspapers, I am not at all impressed by people who resolve to have others stay the course in Iraq and in Afghanistan. At zero sacrifice, who would not have that resolve?
As an editor at one of the nation's newspapers, let us say that we are impressed with Mark Reinhardt's sacrifice and sympathetic with Uwe Reinhardt's fatherly anguish at seeing his son in harm's way. But are such emotions a reliable guide to public policy? We would say not. Indeed, it strikes us that Prof. Reinhardt's personal involvement in this issue distorts rather than clarifies his views of it.
To begin with, Reinhardt's son is actually a strong counterexample to the professor's argument. Mark Reinhardt, an Ivy League graduate, plainly joined the Marines not because of a lack of opportunity but because it was what he wanted to do. Uwe Reinhardt tried to talk him out of it, which is understandable enough: He loves his son and wants to protect him.
But it is hypocritical for him to try to talk his own privileged child out of serving and then turn around and complain that the privileged don't sacrifice enough under the volunteer military. Prof. Reinhardt wrote a nasty little column for the Daily Princetonian this past September in which he taunted as "chicken hawks" those students who have refrained from joining the military. That is, he is insulting those young Americans who have taken the very course that he unsuccessfully urged on his own son.
One gets the sense that Uwe Reinhardt thinks he has made a sacrifice here. In fact, although he obviously has paid an emotional price, the sacrifice was his son's alone. Mark Reinhardt will always be his father's child, but he is not a child. He is a man, and he made an adult decision to join the Marines.
The infantilization of the American serviceman is a familiar and offensive refrain of the liberal left. In Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" there's one particularly stupid scene (and that's saying something) in which Moore approaches members of Congress and demands that they send their own children to Iraq. But of course no parent can force his child to join the military; that is a decision only an adult can make for himself.
Again, for Reinhardt this seems to be more a personal matter than an ideological one. A Princetonian news article describes a revealing father-son conversation:
"Why?" Wilson School professor Uwe Reinhardt asked of his son, Marine Cpt. Mark Reinhardt '01 and another Marine officer as they sat in a bar in San Diego. "Why did you do this?"
"Because no one else does," came the response from Mark. "There are all these kids from the barrio and the Dakotas and the farmland, great young guys going [overseas] to stand tall for America, and they need leaders."
Mark Reinhardt sounds like a class act, and his father should be very proud. But Uwe Reinhardt does himself no credit when he disparages young Americans who choose a different path.
On Tuesday we noted that Uwe Reinhardt, a professor of political economy at Princeton, had issued, in a Washington Post op-ed, a partial defense of John Kerry's most recent calumny against American servicemen. Although acknowledging that Kerry's remark was "uncouth," Reinhardt argued that the all-volunteer military is invidious because those with greater education and opportunities have less incentive to join up.
What we didn't realize, because Reinhardt didn't mention it in this piece (though he has elsewhere), is that this matter is personal to Reinhardt. As Town Topics, a weekly Princeton newspaper, reported in August 2005, Prof. Reinhardt's son, Mark, joined the Marines after his graduation from Princeton in 2001. Mark Reinhardt had three combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the Paktika province of Afghanistan, he was seriously wounded--seven broken ribs and a punctured lung--when his Humvee hit a Taliban mine. The younger Reinhardt recovered fully.
In a Washington Post op-ed published in early August 2005--shortly before Mark Reinhardt was wounded--Uwe Reinhardt confessed that he did not approve of his son's decision to join the military:
When our son, then a recent Princeton graduate, decided to join the Marine Corps in 2001, I advised him thus: "Do what you must, but be advised that, flourishing rhetoric notwithstanding, this nation will never truly honor your service, and it will condemn you to the bottom of the economic scrap heap should you ever get seriously wounded." The intervening years have not changed my views; they have reaffirmed them.
Unlike the editors of the nation's newspapers, I am not at all impressed by people who resolve to have others stay the course in Iraq and in Afghanistan. At zero sacrifice, who would not have that resolve?
As an editor at one of the nation's newspapers, let us say that we are impressed with Mark Reinhardt's sacrifice and sympathetic with Uwe Reinhardt's fatherly anguish at seeing his son in harm's way. But are such emotions a reliable guide to public policy? We would say not. Indeed, it strikes us that Prof. Reinhardt's personal involvement in this issue distorts rather than clarifies his views of it.
To begin with, Reinhardt's son is actually a strong counterexample to the professor's argument. Mark Reinhardt, an Ivy League graduate, plainly joined the Marines not because of a lack of opportunity but because it was what he wanted to do. Uwe Reinhardt tried to talk him out of it, which is understandable enough: He loves his son and wants to protect him.
But it is hypocritical for him to try to talk his own privileged child out of serving and then turn around and complain that the privileged don't sacrifice enough under the volunteer military. Prof. Reinhardt wrote a nasty little column for the Daily Princetonian this past September in which he taunted as "chicken hawks" those students who have refrained from joining the military. That is, he is insulting those young Americans who have taken the very course that he unsuccessfully urged on his own son.
One gets the sense that Uwe Reinhardt thinks he has made a sacrifice here. In fact, although he obviously has paid an emotional price, the sacrifice was his son's alone. Mark Reinhardt will always be his father's child, but he is not a child. He is a man, and he made an adult decision to join the Marines.
The infantilization of the American serviceman is a familiar and offensive refrain of the liberal left. In Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" there's one particularly stupid scene (and that's saying something) in which Moore approaches members of Congress and demands that they send their own children to Iraq. But of course no parent can force his child to join the military; that is a decision only an adult can make for himself.
Again, for Reinhardt this seems to be more a personal matter than an ideological one. A Princetonian news article describes a revealing father-son conversation:
"Why?" Wilson School professor Uwe Reinhardt asked of his son, Marine Cpt. Mark Reinhardt '01 and another Marine officer as they sat in a bar in San Diego. "Why did you do this?"
"Because no one else does," came the response from Mark. "There are all these kids from the barrio and the Dakotas and the farmland, great young guys going [overseas] to stand tall for America, and they need leaders."
Mark Reinhardt sounds like a class act, and his father should be very proud. But Uwe Reinhardt does himself no credit when he disparages young Americans who choose a different path.
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just read it
its a good read
Oh, you LUNATIC
thx for the news
its a good read
Oh, you LUNATIC
thx for the news
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On the average the members of the military are better educated for their age group than their civilian peers. They are also member of an extremely diverse community. Much more diverse than most of their civilian counter-parts will ever know.
But the myth lives on that they're ignorant and intolerant. Thanks to the likes of the John Kerrys of the world.
Ishmael
But the myth lives on that they're ignorant and intolerant. Thanks to the likes of the John Kerrys of the world.
Ishmael
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you knowSeanH said:
if you take a pebble from a huge rock pit
you can make the rock look like ANYTHING you want!
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Yes
and
No!
Honest as I could get
My oldest son is in Israel. There are hundreds of thousands of kids HIS age in the Army, my son isnt!
I feel HORRIBLE other kids have THEIR lives on the line
and
No!
Honest as I could get
My oldest son is in Israel. There are hundreds of thousands of kids HIS age in the Army, my son isnt!
I feel HORRIBLE other kids have THEIR lives on the line
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He is a US citizen
Not an Israeli citizen
It BOTHERS me that others his age have to defend the country and he doesnt
BUT
On the other hand..................
(It is easy to be a HAWK and say BOMB EM with someone else's son)
Not an Israeli citizen
It BOTHERS me that others his age have to defend the country and he doesnt
BUT
On the other hand..................
(It is easy to be a HAWK and say BOMB EM with someone else's son)
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They do.SeanH said:
I understand BB's response...I imagine you do, too, as a parent and veteran. I have no kids, but I can easily imagine the combination of pride and horror it must evoke.
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Thanks for that.busybody said:He is a US citizen
Not an Israeli citizen
It BOTHERS me that others his age have to defend the country and he doesnt
BUT
On the other hand..................
(It is easy to be a HAWK and say BOMB EM with someone else's son)
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Indeed. I like him best when he's honest and personal.SeanH said:
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Peregrinator said:
exactly!
I do know this
when I scan the news from Israel several times a day
and when I read the names and ages of the dead kids
I recognize all the names
They are all names of MY kids and they are all the same age
IT IS HORRIFIC@
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busybody said:
Probably what bothers me nost about the possibility of being deployed is the anxiety it would cause my wife and parents. Statistically, I'm not that worried for my own safety.
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Bastard.SeanH said:
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not for one minuteSeanH said:
they GLORIFY when their kids are what they think "martyrs"
one, of many problems YOU have, is that you ACTUALLY believe that THEY are the same as us
On a daily basis, their TV, their schools, the preachers, their leaders, TELL everyone and the "kids" included that they must be SHAHID!
Arafat for YEARS and the leaders of today, always ask for a MILLION CHILDREN TO MARTYR THEMSELVES!
No, they dont feel that way.
Am I saying all, no. More then enough!
As Golda Meir said, and is correct
peace will only come
when THEY love their kids as much as we love ours
she also said
she can forgive them for killing our kids but cant forgove them for MAKING us kill their kids
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Yes, they train their children to be suicide bombers....... they must be proud.SeanH said:
Careful now.....................
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busybody said:
i post dozens upon dozens of translations of their speeches and texts in schoolbooks and TV shows, but you would say you dont trust the translation
I could give you a link to Pali TV Sesame Street where BIG BIRD teaches kids to blow themselves up
Would it help?
NO!
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busybody said:
actually I would love that link.. publicly, if it exsists
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it does
look for it
if you want ME to do it
assume I LIE!
look for it
if you want ME to do it
assume I LIE!
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busybody said:it does
look for it
if you want ME to do it
assume I LIE!
I'll assume you're lying because you said you could do it, and are now suddenly incapable of doing so
ever heard of the saying " shit or get off the pot"
prove it to me, or you're full of shit, simple as that
